comanche

[aart112 12]

if read allot of comment both positive and negative about the comanche, i'd like to put this out there.

-yes this is the origional comanche that was designed in 1991. the first prototype flew in 1996.

-No the comanche was never build to replace the apache gunship.

-no the comanche is not a gunship. it is a recon/attack helicopter. the apache is a tank hunter, 2 different things.

-yes the comanche project got canceld, mainly becouse the usaf had budget cuts and stopped all their orders.

so fear not all you apache fans. im sure BI will keep it. maybe even a cool upgraded version. its the future afterall

[roberthammer 582]

ArmA 3 is alternative reality - so it can have a stuff , what have been cancelled or fictional to our real life

About comanche - it can be easy armed like real Gunship aka apache style - comanche can attach wings and then it can load 8x Hellfires on them

Armament

1× 20 mm XM301 three-barrel cannon mounted in a Turreted Gun System (500 round capacity)

Internal bays: 6 Hellfires or 6 Stingers (ATAS) or 24 Hydra 70 2.75 in (70 mm) air-to-ground rockets

Optional stub wings: 8 Hellfire, 16 Stinger or 56 x Hydra 70 air-to-ground rockets

from wiki

Edited May 25, 2011 by RobertHammer

[nodunit 397]

Eight missiles otherwise the bay doors would be blocked, but that still gives 14 missiles. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/rah-66--mission-image17.jpg

[instagoat 133]

Hopefully we get the version with the extra stub wings too. Then we can make a comanche overkill campaign :D

Tribute to the days when Novalogic was cool.

[tsb247 0]

If they add the detachable EFAMS, then who needs the Apache?

I'm just hoping that they can somehow simulate the stealth aspects of the RAH-66.

[wolfbite 8]

Hopefully we'll be able to change loadouts in game...

[nodunit 397]

now that I'd like to see.

[Daniel 0]

I always the thought the definition of a gunship, as opposed to an attack aircraft, was that it could fire laterally onto its target. That's makes the Commanche a gunship in my book, all be it a stealthy one.

Also When The World Ends was an epic Commanche campaign for OFP by Gaia and co, I believe it led to Eagle Wing and perhaps even the reason for the Commanche's appearance in Arma 3.

Edited May 25, 2011 by Daniel

[Innomadic 10]

I always assumed a gunship literally meant fitting the biggest and baddest guns you could find onto an aircraft. The name simply implies something rather BIG.

[Daniel 0]

Not necessarily. An AC-130 is a gunship, but a Mi-24P with fixed cannon is simply an attack helicopter.

[wolfbite 8]

In military aviation

Lockheed AC-130 gunship on a night mission, firing during a pylon turn

In fixed-wing aircraft category, a gunship is an aircraft having laterally-mounted[1] heavy armaments (i.e. firing to the side) to attack ground or sea targets.[2] Most often, a gunship attacks the target while circling over it, performing a constant pylon turn.[1][2] This is in contrast to a standard attack aircraft equipped with forward-firing weapon, that flies at the target and then passes over it.

The rotary-wing aircraft (helicopters) can use a variety of combat maneuvers to approach target. In their case, the term gunship is synonymous[3][4] with heavily armed helicopter. Specifically, dedicated attack helicopters also fit this meaning.

In any of these cases, the gunship armaments include machine guns, autocannon, missiles, etc.

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Incidentaly it also classes the Mi-24 as a Gunship

Wikipedia.... I always wondered aswell tbh!

[Daniel 0]

Ah my bad. That still makes the Commanche a gunship if you bolt enough firepower onto it, I don't suppose there's much the AH-64A can do that an RAH-66 can't.

[nodunit 397]

iirc there were problems when they tried to carry a max number of hellfires with the wings, hellfire missiles are hardly light and if it is indeed a single engine aircraft then it makes sense http://ws.elance.com/php/files/main/download.php?crypted=Y3R4JTNEcG9ydGZvbGlvJTI2ZmlkJTNEMjQzOTUwNjElMjZyaWQlM0QtMSUyNnBpZCUzRDI0NTE3NDQ= Hell apache pilots have said that even with the double engines hovering with a full compliment of hellfires is a pain.

To get an idea of what the commanche could do though just look at the longbow, many systems and programming used on it came from the commanche such as tactical systems display, GPS, communications and more, in fact you could say the commanche helped to give birth to the US's digital cockpits.

As the op says, it wasn't meant to replace the apache but instead be a scout aircraft to replace the kiowa http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?ItemID=37384 but some people decided to extend the role and it just couldn't cope with a veteran. It would be like a new cargo helicopter trying to replace the UH-60 for the US Army.

Edited May 25, 2011 by NodUnit

[aart112 12]

calling arma an alternative reality is kinda far fetched. in terms of equipment be it used or unused in real life is still true to our reality. giving certain country's and factions different names doesnt make it very alternative aswell. coming to my point. sure its the near future. but the comanche is designed from the ground up to replace the kiowa warrior as a stealth recon helicopter. its like building a replacement tank for the bradley and instead slap guns on it and replace the abrams with this new tank.

Arma has always stayed true to the real world vehicles (as far as possible) dont think we need to have the comanche as main gunship just becouse it looks cool. why would we use an old prototype over a helicopter combat veteran that works just fine ?

[Maio 293]

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Arma has always stayed true to the real world vehicles (as far as possible) dont think we need to have the comanche as main gunship just becouse it looks cool. why would we use an old prototype over a helicopter combat veteran that works just fine ?

We don't know that the RAH 66 is the main gun ship .

[aart112 12]

We don't know that the RAH 66 is the main gun ship .

i never claimed this. unlike others :)

[Daniel 0]

Exactly. We had the Kiowa in OFP, no reason why BIS would not employ the Commanche to fill the same role. We could still see the Apache, perhaps even upgraded (dammit America, buy some decent engines! :p).

Or there's always NodUnit and co...

[aart112 12]

Exactly. We had the Kiowa in OFP, no reason why BIS would not employ the Commanche to fill the same role. We could still see the Apache, perhaps even upgraded (dammit America, buy some decent engines! :p).

Or there's always NodUnit and co...

hehe, 1 fatal flaw in the apache in arma 2. it has 2 engines (specially placed to be able to keep running if 1 dies out) and the engine ingame can be shutdown by a 50cal round.

[nodunit 397]

Exactly. We had the Kiowa in OFP, no reason why BIS would not employ the Commanche to fill the same role. We could still see the Apache, perhaps even upgraded (dammit America, buy some decent engines! :p).

Or there's always NodUnit and co...

Block III is supposed to have upgraded engines (701D) that provide either 20 or 30% power increase, but it may be a moot point with the extra equipment packed as well unless it somehow weighs less.

hehe, 1 fatal flaw in the apache in arma 2. it has 2 engines (specially placed to be able to keep running if 1 dies out) and the engine ingame can be shutdown by a 50cal round.

Yeah that always bugs the hell out of me, two engines yet it still behaves as if they are both one rather than reducing your aircraft performance and limiting you. The 50cal is a definite sadness for the apache because one such bird was peppered withe bullets and hit with MANPADS, tore the engine engine compartment off and ruined one BUT it still limped home.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9439/15333tp4.jpg

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=60430&d=1104304419 whereas ingame when you take a missile to the engines it pretty much grounds you (experienced that plenty :banghead: ) Heck any twin engine helicopters would benefit greatly from having engine damage separate from one another.

You can be sure we aren't making that mistake

Edited May 25, 2011 by NodUnit

[tsb247 0]

Ah my bad. That still makes the Commanche a gunship if you bolt enough firepower onto it, I don't suppose there's much the AH-64A can do that an RAH-66 can't.

It is actually my hope that they don't make the Comanche into a gunship. Technically, it was meant to be a scout vehicle (albeit heavily armed). I would rather see it relegated to sneaking around behind enemy lines gathering intelligence and (quietly) taking out high-priority targets and then retreating.

[wolfbite 8]

To be fair they have allways had vehicles in the game that werent in service . V-80 in ofp anyone?

[onlyrazor 11]

ArmA 3 is alternative reality

Does that mean we get outlandish EMP weapons? I always loved that island in Just Cause 2.

BTW, here's what I mean:

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[paecmaker 23]

Accually, I would call the hind both a helicopter gunship and an attack helicopter.

A gunship is defined as a helicopter/fixed wing aircraft with rapid firing cannons and is used to provide CAS.

[max power 21]

Does that mean we get outlandish EMP weapons? I always loved that island in Just Cause 2.

How does that follow?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-26_Falcon

Nuclear anti aircraft weapons aren't so outlandish btw.

[rangerpl 13]

How does that follow?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-26_Falcon

Nuclear anti aircraft weapons aren't so outlandish btw.

Yeah, there's just the small problem of radioactive particles raining down on everything below :rolleyes: