How to fly a mi-24 hind in real life

[Hasha 2]

Ok, after detailed staring at the cockpit of the Mi 24 hind in OF, i am able to figure out what some of those meters and dials are. The joystick controls direction, up down back forward and yaw. Does the hind have any foot pedals? Can someone who has flown a heli or a REAL hind please give a detailed tutorial on how to fly that beast. Thanks!

Any russian Hind pilot here?

[Wobble 1]

fly the OFP choppers like an arcade, because thats about how close to realistic it is, ignore the guages, etc etc, youll probably do best with a mouse and keyboard.. flying a hind in real life and the one in OFP are night and day

[Tovarish 0]

lol sorry, this is funny, but you're not going to learn to fly a real-life Hind or any chopper for that matter from a simulation/tutorial/ect

[Hasha 2]

No man, I REALLY WANT TO LEARN HOW TO FLY THAT THING IN REAL LIFE. I began memorizing what all the dials and meters on OF cos I cannot find a real pic of the Hind Cockpit. I really hope that in the next airshow I visit, I get a chance to see the beauty and fly it.

I wanna have a hind as a wife!

Anyone knows how much a second-hand Hind costs? w/o all the weapons and shit!

Some helo or hind pilot please give me some tutorials!

[USSoldier11B 0]

Nope, sorry can't help ya there.

I can sure as hell teach you how to shoot one of those fuckers down though.

[Hasha 2]

Common USSsoldier, I am sure you know pple in the US army who fly choppers, can you help me ask them?

BTW, since the hind is so tough and can carry 8 pple, why dun we use it as a good chopper by rescueing pple in floods, earthquakes or sea-recue. I can save way more pple than the conventional rescue choppers. If flies faster and tougher(can fly in all weather) and the cargo you can put more victims in it. How is this idea. We should use some those killing machines to peaceful means.

[USSoldier11B 0]

Ummm....I don't think any U.S. pilots have been able to fly one. Maybe you can go to Russia and pay to fly one just like you can with a Mig. Why would the U.S. use Hinds for rescue ops in bad weather when they we have the Pavelow, which is a far better piece of equipment.

[Hasha 2]

I started a thread on this topic, please real my discussion there.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hasharajima @ May 15 2002,06:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No man, I REALLY WANT TO LEARN HOW TO FLY THAT THING IN REAL LIFE. I began memorizing what all the dials and meters on OF cos I cannot find a real pic of the Hind Cockpit. I really hope that in the next airshow I visit, I get a chance to see the beauty and fly it.

I wanna have a hind as a wife!

Anyone knows how much a second-hand Hind costs? w/o all the weapons and shit!

Some helo or hind pilot please give me some tutorials!<span id='postcolor'>

The Hind is not certified for civilian use. That means no matter how much money you have, you wouldnt be able to buy one.

And, by all accounts, the Hind flies just like a tank. And tanks arent meant to fly.

[Warin 0]

Okie...

You are one weird individual Hasharajima. But that's ok.

Where do you live?  I would look in the telephone book if you are in a mid sized city under 'aviation' and look for a school that teaches people to fly.  Learn to fly one helicopter, and then it's mostly just familiarization for you to fly any helicopter.

Now..if you want a primer...here ya go:

There are three main controls to flying a helicopter.  The collective, the cyclic and the anti torque rotor.

The cyclic controls the rotor disc. It is the joystick control.  When you move it, it tilts the disc forward, back, and side to side.  Tilt it, the helicopter moves in that direction.

The rotor disk causes a huge amount of torque. So they stick that little prop back on the tail boom.  It spins and creates counter-force to the main rotor disck.  The foot pedals control the anti torque rotor. Basically this is what keeps you pointed in the direction you want to go, or lets you slew the tail of the helicopter.

The collective is a stick on the left hand side of the pilot seat.  Raise the collective, it increases the pitch of the rotor blades and makes the helicopter go up. Lower it, it decreases and the helicopter goes down.  The throttle control is also usually on the collective as well.

Every time you move one control, it affects the toher, so you are constantly making changes to all of the controls.

Hope this helped you.

BTW...I am not a helicopter pilot..I just know the basics.

[Hasha 2]

How much does it cost to learn how to fly a heli in the states?

[Warin 0]

Private Pilot Helicopter Course

A Private pilot certificate can only be used for personal business and pleasure, not to generate income.

Private Pilot :

40 hrs R22 Beta $7200.00

20 hrs Dual $600.00

10 hrs Ground $300.00

Total $8100.00* (block rates avilable)*

Prerequisites for Private Pilot:

• Minimum age for solo is 16

• Minimum age for rating is 17

• Third Class Medical is required.

That's from this page.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 15 2002,06:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't think any U.S. pilots have been able to fly one.<span id='postcolor'>

Actually, the most active Hind crew in the world is in the US (no joke! I've seen a show on it, they use it as an agressor in lazer-tag wargames. It was captured from Iraq in Desert Storm. As for it flying like a tank, the US pilot who flew it and was interviewed had nothing but praise for it.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ May 15 2002,071)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for it flying like a tank, the US pilot who flew it and was interviewed had nothing but praise for it.<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, but I would praise an aircraft that had plenty of armor around its cockpit too

[WKK Gimbal 0]

Haha, fuck this thread made me laugh.

OFP will teach you as much about flying a heli, as SIMS will teach you about dating. I gotta respect your lack of connection with Real Life, buddy ... it's one-of-a-kind

Anyhow, this is my small reference regarding heli flight: some years back I took a first lesson for heli certificate (you can just go pay for one flight hour with instructor and use it for fun). It was nothing like any game, even Flight Simulator don't get within miles of how it feels.

And that was a small r22, a tiny and simple chopper. I'm sure it takes years of training to even get the Hind off the ground.

Some OFP players seem to think that any black op and his dog can fly choppers. Forget it man, never gonna happen.

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was captured from Iraq in Desert Storm.<span id='postcolor'>

How do the Ruskies feel about this?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 15 2002,08:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was captured from Iraq in Desert Storm.<span id='postcolor'>

How do the Ruskies feel about this? <span id='postcolor'>

well, fuck em. It was Iraqui property, and besides, the Hinds capabilities are already fairly well known, considering its rather wide proliferation

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 15 2002,09:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was captured from Iraq in Desert Storm.<span id='postcolor'>

How do the Ruskies feel about this? <span id='postcolor'>

In this post-cold war era, if the Russians would play their cards right, they would tell the US that they can sell them fleet-fulls of Hinds at a fraction of the cost of a Comanche - and even throw in extras to close the deal.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 15 2002,08:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How do the Ruskies feel about this? <span id='postcolor'>

Are you kidding? They've sold the US a pair of Su-27's and an S300 (arguably the world's most advanced SAM system) for evaluation.

"In 1995 it was widely reported that Belarus had sold elements of one S-300 air defence system to the United States. Another widely reported case in 1995 was the transfer of 2 Su-27 fighter aircraft to the United States. The S-300 and Su-27 are systems that have been exported by Russia and they are among the most heavily marketed Russian defence items. The fact that the US was in possession of examples was considered in Russia to be a potential disincentive for prospective buyers.

In each case the articles were sold to private US firms known to work primarily on research and development contracts for the US intelligence services."

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In this post-cold war era, if the Russians would play their cards right, they would tell the US that they can sell them fleet-fulls of Hinds at a fraction of the cost of a Comanche - and even throw in extras to close the deal.

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Maybe, but today's U.S. miltary is very into high tech, light, fast, and stealthy. I think the DoD has too big of an ego to outfit the Army with Russina equipment. The Commanche would lick a Hind in battle simply because it is a faster, and more stealthy aircraft that is also much more manueverable. Big and slow doesn't do well in the U.S, which is why they are trying to shitcan the A-10.

I could sell you 20 Yugo's for the price of a BMW, but that doesn't mean that you'll want them.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 15 2002,08:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Big and slow doesn't do well in the U.S, which is why they are trying to shitcan the A-10.<span id='postcolor'>

The A10 is like the C130- its too useful to die. They might want to get rid of it now, but as soon as the next 'conventional' war rears its head, they are going to be missing their 'Hogs, and missing them bad.

[R. Gerschwarzenge 0]

Closest thing to fly Hind on your computer is Digital Integration's Hind. The game is quite difficult at first when playing with full realism because that flying brick doesn't have a fly-by-wire control. And the game has nicely modeled auto rotation, ground cushion and such.

Too bad I can't get it to work with Win98 or XP.

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The A10 is like the C130- its too useful to die. They might want to get rid of it now, but as soon as the next 'conventional' war rears its head, they are going to be missing their 'Hogs, and missing them bad.

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The zoomies (Air Force) is quite serious about getting rid if the A-10. They hate it becaue it is slow. They have never been on the ground as grunts and seen the wonders that it can do. Seriously, if I was Chief of Staff and the Air Force was dumping the A-10, I'd get them appropriated to the Army and start an Army pilot training program for them. We do our own chopper close air support, why not add a fixed wing aircraft?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 15 2002,09:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The A10 is like the C130- its too useful to die. They might want to get rid of it now, but as soon as the next 'conventional' war rears its head, they are going to be missing their 'Hogs, and missing them bad.

<span id='postcolor'>

The zoomies (Air Force) is quite serious about getting rid if the A-10. They hate it becaue it is slow. They have never been on the ground as grunts and seen the wonders that it can do. Seriously, if I was Chief of Staff and the Air Force was dumping the A-10, I'd get them appropriated to the Army and start an Army pilot training program for them. We do our own chopper close air support, why not add a fixed wing aircraft?<span id='postcolor'>

Well, the air-scouts can either learn it the easy way, or the hard way. Remember how they brought back the A1 Skyraider during Nam? Just too damn useful...

[Pukko 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ May 15 2002,06:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now..if you want a primer...here ya go:

There are three main controls to flying a helicopter.  The collective, the cyclic and the anti torque rotor.

The cyclic controls the rotor disc. It is the joystick control.  When you move it, it tilts the disc forward, back, and side to side.  Tilt it, the helicopter moves in that direction.

The rotor disk causes a huge amount of torque. So they stick that little prop back on the tail boom.  It spins and creates counter-force to the main rotor disck.  The foot pedals control the anti torque rotor. Basically this is what keeps you pointed in the direction you want to go, or lets you slew the tail of the helicopter.

The collective is a stick on the left hand side of the pilot seat.  Raise the collective, it increases the pitch of the rotor blades and makes the helicopter go up. Lower it, it decreases and the helicopter goes down.  The throttle control is also usually on the collective as well.

Every time you move one control, it affects the toher, so you are constantly making changes to all of the controls.

Hope this helped you.

BTW...I am not a helicopter pilot..I just know the basics.<span id='postcolor'>

I'll just add a thing here that are in my opinion a quite annoying and usual misconception, and to give you a little more orientation in choppers.

Almost all helicopters (except some real small ones that may use piston engines) use 'turbo-shaft' engines; jet engines that transform all power to a outout shaft. The output shaft is directly connected to a 'free turbine' that basically absorbs all power (accelerated air) from the 'gas-turbine' (the actual engine that works like an ordinary jet engine).

The free-turbine is completely free (in matter of rotation speed) from the gas-turbine, and is furthermore directly connected to the  main and tail rotor (via the output shaft, gearbox and a freewheel that only drives in one direction - so that the rotors continue rotating even if the engine fails; gives the opportunity to make a controlled emergency landing - autorotation).

Now to my point:

There is no ordinary throttle in a chopper; you basically just turn a swich on when starting the chopper, and it goes automatically up to flight idle power. You never adjust throttle manually; its all made by the FCU (fuel control unit) that always monitors the free-turbine speed (and therefore also the rotor speeds) and tries to keep that at a constant RPM - through adjusting the gas-turbine RPM (its power).

The manual thottle, usually mounted on the collective (or on the floor below), is only used for emergency situations when the FCU fails, and in some cases during startup and shutdown.

Hope that made sense