PistFlyBoy

If you don't like it i can understand. But from there to say its AWFUL and U NEVER wanna see it back, take a chill, cause u clearly have people who wants it, liked it, and used it. And yes you can zoom out and move ur head and what not, but every time u jump in the heli you will have to modify and u will never have the same reference, since you manually ajust it everytime...(and zooming full out, distorts the objects too, especially when u land...) Anyway I dont wish to argue with you on the validity is the 1st person FOV. You can go back and read all the others post. GL

LOLWUT? he is clearly talking about the fact he wants dynamic FOV back in 1st person...as a lot of other people around here. He most likely only flies 1st person. which i do too personally and a lot of other people, some of them finally showing up that wants the speed regulated FOV just like in the mod http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=945864264 that @oukej did for us. which works fine, but its not like we can use it everywhere.

well thats exactly what I am fighting for right here. @oukej did this mod http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=945864264 that bring that back. But a mod is not a fix for a problem. We are missing a feature who was in the game for years.

So wait? you put camera back to 1.68 and u didn't fix the 1st person? Well i appreciate ur Mod, but please equal treatment.... to 1st person too. Cause with ur FoV mod http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=945864264 we can finally fly again in local, but totally locked out of servers. Dont leave us apart please...

@oukej Thats good news, i suppose?? Not sure about this but: " Tweaked: The default FOV in helicopters was increased to 0.9 " meaning we have dynamic moving FOV back too? plus when u see the Dev Branch build being 6.5Gb well i guess i wont test it then >.< potato connection....

@frankfranconi If you read trough the topic this had been partially discussed, @oukej came up with this : (which fix that problem too) which is working wonderfully for my friends and I. Hope this helps. Of course its a mods, Hopefully we will see it as game option so we can use it on other people server too. regards

@oukej thanks A LOT for this, this is exactly what i meant and needed. Personally this little mod fixes it for my friends and me, since we fly privately in dedicated servers. Would be awsome to see this as option in the game, to use it in normal servers too, but this alone is DIVINE for us. Thanks A LOT!

This was probably the BEST analogy on this thread so far. For the regards of the camera discussion and the rest. As I have expressed some disappointment towards @oukej response, If you weren't mocking us, well my apologies but that's how my little community following this thread and me, perceived it. Anyway in that answer you gave was totally out of question, let me quote myself here: Keywords here was "IN MY GAME OPTION MENU". And the answer is: there is not one. But its fine, we working towards the solution here. The fact of people liking the 1.70 camera of helicopters, (Must agree with jets the camera does a good job). its something that i can Understand, lots of people with different points of view, but its somewhat kinda disturbing, we had literally people puking all over the place with that camera, BUT THEN, YOU ARE TELLING ME, that the FOV movement in 1st person (PRE JET-DLC) was making people sick, I looked around, found NOTHING, never heard any feedback about it EVER. Please provide. The solution here is easy said, give Us an option for the PRE-JET dlc both 1st/3rd person camera. Easy done? maybe not, You guys must certainly have an amount of resource to allocate, and again, this is me, and friends of mine, we went from playing 50hours a week of flying to 0h cause of your new 1st person/3rd person. Lost interest. ----- Little off-topic---- Now personally i barely play King of the hill, so i don't know how flying works there,i imagine being a jet fest, we mainly just playing hosting a server flying around, killing each other off, maybe some wasteland or whatever. (thats how we have fun and relive stress after work, talking crap to each other and pawneeing each other down or playing follow the leader with helicopter and what not.) Why am i saying this? I`m trying to prove a point, you can say all you want about people playing Altis Life, Koth and those "arcadish" way of playing the game, ok we are not Mil-simmer, but this game is this famous because of those Arcadish mods, when Streamer like Lirik played altis life and had 40k viewer and arma 3 was the first game on twitch, you wouldn't see ANY stream on milsim with more then 500 viewer. So yea you can alter the vanilla game for the Simulation, but im pretty sure the biggest population of this game is all other mods that have nothing to deal with Vanilla arma 3, but the part of arma which is more arcadish, MAYBE im wrong, WOULD LOVE to see the actual data. Anyway hoping you guys can bring arma back. Regard

Really sad, as a customer to be treated like this. @RacerX @Misconductsummed it up pretty well. You have a bunch of unhappy LOYAL customer, who bought your products not even for the 3 jets or for the couple of extra weapon or helicopters, cause this game runs on MODS, but TO SUPPORT YOU AND YOUR DEVELOPMENT! And this is what we get, a slap to the face, consisting in some sarcasm of putting 2 lines of codes and basically say good luck. We coming to your website giving you some negative feedback in the interest of the game, and our game experience. Negative feedback isn’t always easy to deal with, I get it, while it’s much more comfortable dealing with compliments. Even if feedback is negative, customers are engaging with you. If they didn’t care, or it didn’t matter, they wouldn’t bother. Also, the fact that people leave negative feedback doesn’t necessarily mean that you are in the wrong. But if you are wrong, you’ve been handed a golden opportunity to get it right next time. Just look at Star Citizen development, look how open and involving their player base into feedback. Anyway this is going beyond the Camera, because this doesn't only consist into the camera, we talk about a lot of stuff, VTOL, Lunchers and so on and going totally off-topic, but some friends that i speak to on a daily basis and we used to fly EVERY SINGLE DAY, and we didn't touch arma since the update, showed me how this is getting upsetting. My best Regards And Good luck.

Bruh... I fly helicopters I don't script them... Gimme an option in the game menu, just like you did for the AFM...

Oh nice! where do i find it in my game option menu so i can go back to my normal fov changing with speed?

He said it, the same exact thing is happening to me, but 1st person wise. And the excuse of people getting sick, its a poor excuse, I have a friend myself who is getting sick with ur 3rd person, after a couple of hours of adapting he is now fine. Please link me some of those complaints of getting sick, I looked around on the forums i couldn't find them, I would love to see the arguments of those people. Instrument wise, you could move ur head to see them just like you have to do now, Plus the fact that you removed it, not even true, its still there its just been adapted to jet, so in the helicopters that have a small acceleration its not moving that much anymore. The fact that you clearly deny to make it a feature just makes me even more upset towards you. I AGREE AND UNDERSTAND ON THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT LIKE THE FOV CHANGE, but you cannot deny other people who likes it from using it. You have tons of config options, and those option is one more thing that makes ur game amazing, what big of a deal is making this one too? please.

If you are referring to 3rd person camera, MAYBE. But 1st person with this update (POST JET-DLC and now still) its utterly disgusting, the head doesn't move at all (or just a touch), you jump into the helicopter you are all ZOOMED into the canopy, you have to manually zoom urself out, and ofc when your FOV is fully out, you cannot perceive the space around you properly cause of the dilatation of the image. (NO ITS NOT THE DAMN BLUR IM TALKING ABOUT) 1st person camera USED to move back and forth based on speed in the PRE-JET DLC and WE "1st PErson Slalom Pilot" LOVED IT! Romille said it too: ----break / break---- And please refrain from the "Buy a track IR" cause no thanks. Also i don't wanna sound like a douche to ordinary flyers, but they can fly in either conditions. Normal takeoff to cruise flight to standard approach everyone can do that. The so Called slalom Fliers, who flies low by necessity (avoiding AA for example) or just for PURE FUN are the one screwed right now. Plus most likely the Slalom-er minority has more time played combined then all the average arma 3 flyer, and the slalom-er spent more hours in the editor training under those poles then you in the whole game. Don` t take this from the wrong side, its not bragging or willing to turn you down, its more you gotta understand the dedication of some people, instead of splitting their time in different games they only play this one, and they only fly helos, because they are passionate. What you are liking right now its something that is BROKEN, they broke the view cause they changed the jet view in the game engine without thinking about it, they were lucky that some people who appear to test it liked it, if it was intended to be this screwed they wouldn't have rolled out a "broken FIX", Just the fact the CAMERA during AUTO ROTATION was totally into the ground perfectly prove my point. You cant even see your landing zone (you can now with the fix but thats not the point), whoever gave feedback on that helicopter camera clearly had no idea what he was saying, all respect given to whom take time to test, but the proof here is blatant. Anyway, Had to adapt to a lot of changes in the past, They kept the pre-jet dlc 1st person and 3rd person camera for so long the same way, you cant just blow it up like this.

I honesty feel like 1.70 (or the camera hotfix) its like a bandage quickly applied over a wound who needs stitches... you cannot just simply change something like the camera from a day to another and expect everyone to relearn flying. Yes We can relearn, but after 6000h well you know... do i really want to? Of course im a first Person camera non happy guy, and i barely use the 3rd, But im talking about 1st person and the FOV varying with the speed which was also broken in the past patch and its getting close to no attention.

Hey since we are on the subject, revert 1st person too. thanks.

well I am excited for the possibilities of what that could bring, the problem I have right now, if you jump in the helicopter in first person right now in the editor and u can do it from your game, the position you get while jumping in and not touching anything is waaaay to zoomed in. If u press - key and put urself in the maximum aft view its good for fast flying, but hard and unpleasant to have a correct perception of the space below you, since the fov is so lean back the environment in slow speed feels almost stretched and during the maneuver we do, like landing quickly the perception of obstacle is distorted, and flying with mouse and keyboard we dont have physically the time nor the fingers to zoom in, that's why that speed camera was so good, it was adapting for us. And again im talking about hell quick landing, 250km/h into left 60degres bank turn and landing just 10meters from that in the middle of 3/4 building in kavala or whatever , its a maneuver that will take top 1/3 second, took us thousand of hours to get into and master, its not something that an average user will miss or experience because he never felt how in those situation that camera shift was useful, especially if u don`t own a track IR and fly with mouse and keyboard only. I have been playing this game since 2014 and this is the first time, with all the changes and the different bugs we had to experience, most likely pushed by the disappointment we all had in our group of friends to come here and complain, im sorry to be annoying but this one is rough for us. although we will adapt but still suck to loose such a good feature as this dynamic speed camera. regards

not really since i made a post regarding the helicopters into the jet dlc. And the mess has been generated by this dlc, so i feel like my feedback on something generated by the JET DLC should go into the jet dlc feedback section.

Are you talking about jets or helicopters? cause i dont really care about jets plus the speed dependent FOV on HELOS has been there for a enormous amount of time, never heard anyone complaining about it. actually it is a nice perk since it gives you situational awareness based on the phase of flight. And anyway you could always zoom out, manually.

Moving to this topic since it seems more relevant here then in the other topic (about jet dlc feedback) So are you trying to get rid of the Fov moving aft during acceleration? (and im talking about ur vanilla mh-9) Cause you state you made a change to not exceed values. (tbh I dont know anything about coding or limits) We are just some arma 3 mh-9 addicts who would love to know if we can expect to have back our FOV that shift back and forth based on speed. If you plan to delete this Fov moving back and forth out of the game, would u please consider instead of making this a feature to enable/disable? some people might find it horrible, but for the people i know and myself included is just spot on, since most of our landings are in hot zones we slow down really quickly in a high banking situations. dumb it down for non expert please

Does this imply 1st person camera too? and the speed fov shift?

I mean the camera its not shifting with speed anymore in 1st person. Or maybe it does but not even close as how was it before: Here is a picture of what i mean. Maybe its not the best ever but it will help you understand, since you dont seem familiar. The BOTTOM of each of the two pictures is the original the top is slightly cropped off to fit in, but mainly take the cockpit as a referance. As you see at 245 km/h pre-jet dlc i could see lets say 6 instruments completely, WITHOUT MANUALLY ADJUSTING THE CAMERA (YES I KNOW U CAN ZOOM IN AND OUT WITH A KEY, but before i never had to use it) Now Past-jet dlc, you can barely see the artificial horizon/altimeter/AI. and it doesn't shift more aft then that. slowing down you would gradually get into a more zoomed in position, but since u are fully zoomed in post jet dlc. anyway hope you understood the issue.

Hey, So here i am giving a feedback, where mods and devs will totally ignore my post because it deliver true feedback, out of some people who plays their game for 50+ hours a week. No this feedback is not on jets, its on Helicopters, and mainly mh-9 hummingbird and maybe other helos. If the fact of me having bought each and every one of the single Bohemia DLC and expansion give more weight to my feedback,YES I BUY YOUR CONTENT. First thing first, I have 6000+ arma 3 hours in Helicopters only. mainly mh-9. Personally I only fly first person and this is my truth feedback. ------------------ Usually the camera in 1st person would gradually move aft as the speed increases this was PERFECT above anything else. Giving you the correct amount of situational awareness as close u get to the landing or take off. NOW you are all time zoomed in, YES I KNOW U CAN ZOOM OUT WITH "-" KEY, but that's just annoying u dont have that midspeed (50-100kts) slightly lean back camera who would give you enough FOV to see different landing zones. We need that "speed regulated camera back"! If you don't know what I am talking about i am happy to provide a guided video on this issue by PM on whoever Bohemia devs or mods might be interested on helping their customers and players. ------------------- Although this feedback is mainly 1st person ill raise some awareness on the 3rd person situation too. Some friend of mine who usually logs 110hours each 2 weeks (taken from steam) and has more then 7000h, had literally to stop flying 3rd person cause he gets sick. and since all he does in arma 3 is flying helos (just like me) he is not even playing arma 3 anymore. I dont know if this is intended or not. BUT PLEASE, all the REALLY frequent and hardcore arma3 frequent flyers I know, are really disgusted and some of them totally had to stop playing. And lets mention the fact of YOU CANT AUTO ROTATE IN 3rd person anymore. your camera is inside the ground... how am i SUPPOSED TO SEE MY LANDING SPOT? DEAR BOHEMIA this is a true feedback out of some people who play this game for FLYING helicopter only, please revert of fix those helicopter camera changes, we beg you. Thanks for most likely not reading this. A bunch of annoyed players.