Does anyone know the english term

[Longinius 1]

"Imagine what a .50 with a hollow point bullet would do from close range.

Is it possible to shoot hollow points with a sniper rifle?"

I don't think the distance is that important when it comes to .50 ammo shot with any kind of sniper rifle. I reccon the result is about the same.

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Tasty

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0.5 sniper bullets come only as FMJ cause they are super sonic bullets. it would loose much of his precision and accuracy.

[Tovarish 0]

Speaking of Russian executions, anyone seen the movie "Citizen-X"? It's based on the true story of a Soviet-era serial child rapist/killer. At the end of the movie he gets executed like that, IMHO the bastard deserved a lot worse.

But now I know that if I'm in a Russian prision and the jail guard escorts me to a little room with tile floors and walls and no windows....and a drain in the middle of the floor...and asks me to "turn around please", I'm in some deep shit.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (scout @ April 08 2002,16:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">0.5 sniper bullets come only as FMJ cause they are super sonic bullets. it would loose much of his precision and accuracy.<span id='postcolor'>

Not so much precision and accuracy but the fact that a subsonic round does not have the power to cause a hollow point to expand.

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why is that? all sub-machine guns and handguns have hollow points and they are sub-sonic. it doesnt seem to reduce the damage.

but if u want to hit accuratly for 1500 a blunt edge will screw both your aim and your range

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (scout @ April 08 2002,19:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">why is that? all sub-machine guns and handguns have hollow points and they are sub-sonic. it doesnt seem to reduce the damage.

but if u want to hit accuratly for 1500 a blunt edge will screw both your aim and your range<span id='postcolor'>

You won't find .50 subsonic hollowpoints for handguns or SMGs.

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There has been reports and articles of a little child being hit in the head by a projectile that had been obviously JHP, as half of his upper skull were missing, and that strong little man survived after some surgery with half of his brainmass lost.

I´ve also seen reports and pictures of a combat knife being rammed into someones skull, he lives too.

To make it short, the type of ammunition is not as important as the location where the hit occurs. This is why HRT snipers are shooting mostly on ranges sub 100m with special ammunition to prevent overpenetration, using rifles that are normally able to reach about 7-8 times that distance with great precision.

That´s because the target they are trying to hit is very small , and a second chance is very unlikely if they screw up.

In military applications this extreme precision is not required, as the goal is to put the enemy out of action- somehow, even if he is incapacitated/ wounded that much that he can´t keep up the fight.

HRT snipers shoot to kill fast, instantly and certain, so the suspect has no chance to pull the trigger of his weapon, collapsing immediately without control over his body.

Military snipers shoot to incapacitate or kill- both is acceptable. If i had a choice i would rather be hit by a sniper working in an Anti terror unit than by a regular sniper working for the marines, army etc.

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desert eagle has hollow's and hydra's for the 0.5 type!

blunt edged bullets actually need much more charge in order to reach super-sonic speeds and the blunt edge cause much more drag which in turn reduces both range and accuracy, thats also why submachine guns had always lower effective range

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (scout @ April 08 2002,20:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">desert eagle has hollow's and hydra's for the 0.5 type!

blunt edged bullets actually need much more charge in order to reach super-sonic speeds and the blunt edge  cause much more drag which in turn reduces both range and accuracy, thats also why submachine guns had always lower effective range<span id='postcolor'>

Hollow point bullets are actually much more accurate then FMJ.

The HP design allows the jacket to be formed to higher precision than an FMJ.  It also makes the bullet's base (the heaviest part) more dimensionally

accurate, and the lack of exposed lead at the tip eliminates possible deformation that a Soft Point bullet can experience.

Bullets are generally formed in an extrusion and swaging process, where the jacket material is extruded from a solid slug into a cylinder with a solid base.  Then, after some additional forming steps, the lead core is inserted as a solid piece of wire, and rammed with several tons of pressure in a big hydraulic press.  This forces the lead to "squash" into the jacket evenly. Finally, the bullet's front section is formed by pressing the entire assembly into another die with a hydraulic press.

HP bullets don't have the lead core go entirely to the end of the jacket, so the tip can't be deformed by handling, recoil, etc.  Match grade bullets are simply extruded and swagged with higher precision equipment and techniques.

It is possible to make soft point or FMJ bullets that shoot as well as the HPs, it is just way more difficult to do so in any economical manner.

Another thing is that the center of mass of the HP bullet is shifted more back which provides more staibility.

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but then again the acurracy degrades substatially as u go up in range!

again, the drag and the turbulance of the air causes much more degration (?) in range and accuracy at higher ranges.

thats why u wont find any blunt bullets.

whats more i found that many sniper bullets had a small tunnel going trough the bullet in order to stabelize it but still it retained its form

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Actually it doesnt degrade with range. Bullets used in competitions are supersonic HP's.

Hollow points concentrate more mass to the outer shell of the missile. Consequently as the bullet is spun by the rifling, the angular momentumis a greater portion of the energy imparted on the bullet. The mass at the outer skin is spinning much faster than the mass close to the center. A hollow point removes the mass AT the center; meaning that the average angular momentum of the bullet goes 'way up. Therefor, a hollow point will be better stabilized than a solid of comparable mass. This is obviously independent of range.

However you will need high energy for the bullet to expand on impact (since more energy goes into the angular spin).

[Joe Porta 0]

Liquidation is a vicious execution method, during the troubles the victim was shot through the side of the neck and left to either bleed to death or drown in his own blood. They even used to take bets on how the victim would die.

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how is that then that sniper bullets (leave geneva convention for now) arent HP, more over if that was true, then a cover resembling HP would encase larger caliber bullets (from lighter material that disintegate on impact.)

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (scout @ April 08 2002,20:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">how is that then that sniper bullets (leave geneva convention for now) arent HP, more over if that was true, then a cover resembling HP would encase larger caliber bullets (from lighter material that disintegate on impact.)<span id='postcolor'>

There are HP sniper bullets, the question is if there are .50 supersonic high velocity bullets. I know that there are .30 hollow points used in sniper rifles.

I honestly don't know if there are .50 sniper hp's - my knowledge of sniper rifles is very limited. I can't really se why not, but then again I can't remember there beeing such a thing as a HP Browning round.

Ask me something about submarines or underwater demolition and I might get you a decent answer

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the barret bullets that are used are AP/tracer/IG because almost all users understand the pros of using it as anti-APC/IFV so u need penetration and long range.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (scout @ April 08 2002,21:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the barret bullets that are used are AP/tracer/IG because almost all users understand the pros of using it as anti-APC/IFV so u need penetration and long range.<span id='postcolor'>

Good point. There is probably no need for a .50 sniper HP, since the .50s are used as antimaterial rifles and not anti personel.

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Also, HP bullets are designed to expand to a diameter greater than the bullet's original calibre, causing more damage to soft tissues. (ie: flesh) The .50 BMG travels so fast and is so powerful it would pass through the person before the round would get a chance to expand, negating the purpose of an HP round.

Snipers and target shooters don't generally use HP rounds because they want heavier bullets for greater downrange energy and accuracy, especially when it gets windy. HP bullets in civilian hands are better suited for hunting purposes. A bullet with a big hole in it does not wiegh as much.

Tyler