Israeli military organization

[Cloney 0]

I was wondering if the regular israeli infantry units are the same as the Golani units. This has always confused me perticularly because in Noone's and Viperheart's IDF, there doesn't seem to be a regular infantry unit. Just Golani. Could someone explain this to me?

I'll look on the net but I haven't found anything that has clearly explained it.

BTW: No one can say that those Israeli soldiers on the news don't look badass! They look fricken awesome. Most of them seem to be toting M-16s and M-4s rather than Galil's... interesting.

[red oct 2]

yea their tanks pretty sweet. unfortunetly, this topic will be ruined because some people whom i wont mention cant keep their big mouths shut and will ruin this by making it into a heated debate

[red oct 2]

well before this becomes a heated debate, i wana ask, what are Israelis' mbt? i know they arnt abrams cuzz they have a different size and the turrent is different. they look pretty macho

[KingBeast 0]

Israeli tanks are Merkavas. Not amazing, but they do the job so it seems.

[red oct 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KingBeast @ April 07 2002,05:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Israeli tanks are Merkavas. Not amazing, but they do the job so it seems.<span id='postcolor'>

those are israeli made yea? they are pretty neat, not to big and not to small, sort of well suited to move around in urban warfare. wonder where avon lady is, she usally has lots of info about this kinda stuff

[Cloney 0]

Unfortunately it is a reality of this forum... It has nothing to do with the current situation. Oh well, we'll see where this takes us.

[KingBeast 0]

I believe the Merkava is Israeli made, and its primary function is crew survivability. So it has lots of defensive features and such.

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ April 07 2002,06:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">wonder where avon lady is, she usally has lots of info about this kinda stuff<span id='postcolor'>

Yoohoo! Here I am!

You can get info on the Mekava here:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/merkava.htm

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/merkava/index.html

Tons of pics here:

http://www.voodoo.cz/merkava/

Even I've got something in my Latrun article here:

http://www.theavonlady.org/latrun/merkava3.htm

[theavonlady 2]

1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ April 07 2002,061)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I was wondering if the regular israeli infantry units are the same as the Golani units. This has always confused me perticularly because in Noone's and Viperheart's IDF, there doesn't seem to be a regular infantry unit. Just Golani. Could someone explain this to me?<span id='postcolor'>

The Giv'ati Infantry Brigade is based in the south. The Golani in the north. The Tzanchanim (Paratroopers) in the center.

More information on the organization page at the IDF site.

[Wobble 1]

Yoohoo! Here I am!

yoohoo is great.. but ... do you "Yahoo"?

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wobble @ April 07 2002,09:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yoohoo is great.. but ... do you "Yahoo"?<span id='postcolor'>

Only when riding side-saddle.

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ April 07 2002,06:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">wonder where avon lady is, she usally has lots of info about this kinda stuff<span id='postcolor'>

Another site, which also has info on the Merkava models:

http://www.geocities.com/aezrets/israeli_weapons/israeli_weapons.html

[ran 0]

you talked about israelian mbt's there's also that :

i think it's an heavily modified m60 also known as magach

i'm maybe wrong

edit : just found a book , they talk about "magash 7" and it has some interesting pics of the one exposed at latrun

and it says that it was a modified m60

but this tank is designated as "sabra" on the FAS.org

[theavonlady 2]

You're pretty much correct.

(Me thinks psoting this guy's link has made him exceed the Geocities transfer rate for the month - sorry )

[ran 0]

i'll ask a friend to scan scan the pics during this week

there are many pictures of the Ishermans m50 and m51 , there are also many pics of the merkava mk2 and mk3 and also pics of the magash 6 and 7

there's also a pic of a merkava chassis prototype

[ran 0]

the latrun museum looks very interesting

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ April 07 2002,15:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the latrun museum looks very interesting<span id='postcolor'>

The 9-screen movie on the IDF Amored Corps is very impressive. Even impressed my cousin who's an IDF reserve tank driver/gunner (I forgot what position he's in).

[red oct 2]

most of my family has been in the navy, my dad was in 4 different subs, and had to honor to be crammed near nuclear warhead missle silos to accomodate sleeping quarters cuzz it was soo crouded, than my sister is currently a Cheif Pedy Officier, she is MP i and i think she is still stationed in puerto-rico than my brother was a medic in the navy as well but is now retired from the service.

[Major Fubar 0]

Merkava

Crew:4

Weight: 56 tonnes

Engine: V-12 diesel developing 900hp

Length (with gun forward): 8.36m

Length (hull): 7.45m

Width: 3.72m

Height: 2.64m

Maximum road speed: 46km/h

Maximum range: 500km

Main armament: 105-mm rifled tank gun

First production 1979 (250 vehicles built by 1982). First used in action Southern Lebanon, Summer 1982.

Mark 2 entered production 1983.

Source: The encyclopedia of world military weapons, first published 1988.

[Tales_From_Topographic_Oceans 0]

Speaking of "Israeli," do they still have the UZIs? As a kid some 20-25 years ago, us boys had these plastic green "Israeli Uzis" which were popular and used in our regular neighborhood wars in the woods.

[ran 0]

i think that the rear troops and the female troops still use the uzi smg (they also use short versions of the m16 and m4) , some special units (sayarets and the other sf units)still use the UZI SMG and the micro uzi smg with some accessories (reflex sight , silencers , high capacity magazines , red dot sights ... etc) , the mini uzi and the uzi pistol are only for the civilian use

but the rest of the isreali army uses the m16 in big number and they also use the galil (modified version of the ak47 , it exists in two calibers : 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm), these two weapons should be soon replaced by the TAVOR bullpup assault rifle

[scout 0]

the Tar-21 is supposed to replace the weapons of the infantry.

i actually used it and its the most dust resistant weapon i layed my hands on. its performance is quite good.

the Uzi is used only by units that have CT roles and then they use the pistol kind.

[red oct 2]

you can give israel a lota credit, who else could fend against them selves against 5 other countries? (i think it was 5) i heard that egypt was massing a large tank assault to attack the soft under belly of israel along. with luck however Israeli soldiers manage to decode a secrete message of the attack and sent in a force for a surprise attack against the enemy who out numbered them and pushed them far back to the egyption border, afterwards, i believe it was syria, but another invasion commensed and the same force went on the move and then defeted the new invading force. that is pretty inpressive

[P8ntM98 0]

Israel has a great military does anyone know how big it is compared to the US? Has anyone played Janes Iraeli Air Force? I wanted that game but couldnt find it . I wish there was an Israeli M60 and theres one being made right now. And Israeli Cobras, Apaches, etc.

[red oct 2]

ya those israeli MBTs' are pretty sexy