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can anyone tell me where I can get an weapon addon with the FN FAL dont care what ver,,, just want one .

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Yeah, search for LizardX

He has a great Beta of his British FAL (L1A1).

I'm using it right now, it looks awesome.

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The mighty M14 came to be after many years of development and controversy. One world class weapon that competed against the M14 for U.S. adoption, and lost, was the FN FAL. The reasons for the military choosing the M14 over the FN FAL were, due to the similarities of the M1 Garand and the new M14, training and manufacture would be easier. The M14 was a pound lighter than the FAL, and the United States was not about to adopt a foreign weapon for the U.S. military. Ironically the FN Corporation would eventually produce the M16A2 for the U.S., and the armed services would eventually replace their 1911A1s with the Italian-designed M9 Beretta.

The M14 is basically a product-improved M1 Garand. The M14 cured the short comings of the 1930's-developed Garand. Briefly, these improvements were a detachable 20-round capacity magazine, a floating gas piston, the gas port on the barrel located closer to the receiver, a roller on the bolt to reduce friction, full-auto capability, a flash suppressor, chrome lined barrel, and a "smaller" round: the 7.62 NATO or as civilians were to know it, the .308.

The reason the M14 is better than the FN FAL are due to a few problems, the first being that the FAL has gas system problems, and gas adjuster knob trouble, it is not as reliable as the M14.. not by a long shot. The second is that the FAL is slightly heavier than the M14, and the third is that it has horrible sights which can't be adjusted to windage & elevation.

The reason for the M14 being better than the G3 are that it too is slightly heavier, the M14 has a longer sight radius and better trigger pull than the G3 (and FAL) it has horrible ergonomics, it is front heavy & unbalanced, it also have Heavier recoil. The magazines / feeding mechanisms isn't as reliable as the M14's, seeing as how the M14 GI magazines are known throughout the gun world as the best, plus the G3 sights are just as bad of the FAL's.

Now lets compare the FN to the G3

The FN is easier to maintain in the field than the G3, With The H&K G3 you have to remove the buttstock by pulling 2 pins at the rear of the receiver these can be lost under the rigors of combat.

Also with the H&K's roller lock it is fairly easy to get the rollers

locked out when cleaning Making it impossible to reinstall without

complete disassembly and reassembly of the bolt to reinstall. Which

could be a royal pain to do the first couple of times.

So although the M14 tops them both ...... the FN FAL is better than the G3

Lets compare weight now...

The M14 weighs 9.2 pounds empty, the FAL weighs 9.4 pounds empty, and the G3 weighs 9.7 pounds empty. As you can see the M14 is lighter than both of them

When it comes to Accuracy all three rifles run neck and neck ....... its the slight advantages listed above that make the M14 the best followed by the FN FAL and then finally the G3A3.

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I owned a really FN FAL about a year ago. Yes, OVER HERE IN AMERICA WE CAN STILL OWN REAL GUNS. smile.gif It was a good one too, blueprinted by IMI. But campared to an M14 (Springfield M1A) it is junk shit (like it was hammered out of shot down russian helicopter roter blades in Pakistan) It also kicks like a mule and you would have to dump about $1,000 additionally into it to make it shoot sub-MOA, while an M1A will shoot sub-MOA out of the box, hence the m-21 & m-25 sniper systems. HK G3, 91, 93, etc... Are good rilfes if they are not knock-offs.

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I live in Australia and i also own real guns :-) (just not full auto stuff atm working on licences now)

really the m14 dosent sux but it was replace for a reason.

From talking to vets it turns out that many Australian soldiers got them selves in deep poo by selling there FN FAL (SLR’s) to the yanks. Apparently the FN’s where very reliable , and there for a weapon sought out by all involved .

Also it’s a myth that the M1 (it was no a good base for the M14, not a bad one just not a good one ) was the most used weapon in ww2 if you check out the real records the majority of weapons where a Remington – Winchester copy of the Lee Enfield Mk2 No3. From memory it was known at the P-14 (don’t quote me on that an Australian Army Colonel from out weapons research team told me that)

Also those of you who do shoot large Cal weapons will know that the more weight the less kick felt, there for the less time is needed to re target (note the Australian army Sniper rifles are around the 25pound mark some of the coustom ones are up to 30 pound [15KG])

This really need to be in the off topic forum

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yeah i've see an Australian L1A1 SR shoot and hold 12" with standard peep sight's , at 1000m , not yards 1000m = 925yrds , and there was wind involved .

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Since when M14 is more accurate than FN FAL?

Damn that text is full of shit<span id='postcolor'>

If you could read you would not have said that, but I see that you are too narrow-minded to face the facts, It's all true, from the poor FAL gas system to the other problems.

Also seeing as how you refused to argue the points I put fourth, I will conclude that you have absolutely no knowledge of firearms and go solely on what you see in movies/video games.

Your text is the most narrow minded garbage I've ever read, and believing that the M14 is a bad weapon is the first step to admitting you're an imbecile.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also it’s a myth that the M1 (it was no a good base for the M14, not a bad one just not a good one ) was the most used weapon in ww2 if you check out the real records the majority of weapons where a Remington – Winchester copy of the Lee Enfield Mk2 No3. From memory it was known at the P-14<span id='postcolor'>

What? it was issued to every American rifleman in WW2, it was also used in Korea, than right up to Vietnam. (It was also the best full sized battle rifle of the war)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">really the m14 dosent sux but it was replace for a reason.<span id='postcolor'>

It was replaced because of the US Government wanting to get the new "space age" m16 in to service, and the reason that McNamara had beef with Springfield Armory, not because it was a bad weapon.

Also, the M14 is still in use today by Delta Force agents, Special Forces, Rangers, SEALs, SWAT teams, Marines, and all LRRP teams during the Vietnam war. (was also used in Mogadishu) It is also a favored weapon in sporting events and shooting matches due to its accuracy, as a matter of fact more matches were won by team Springfield using M14s than others won using other rifles (including FN FALs)

There's a reason the FN FAL did not beat the U.S.A M14, and that's because it was not as good.

Also before you state the obvious, the reason the FN FAL was used by more countries is because the United States did not sell the weapon plans to other countries until the 80s - early 90s. So if we go on most used, the AK47 is better than any weapon ever made.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yeah i've see an Australian L1A1 SR shoot and hold 12" with standard peep sight's , at 1000m , not yards 1000m = 925yrds , and there was wind involved <span id='postcolor'>

Most are based solely upon the shooter, the M14 is capable of the same performance.

What does however make it better than the FN FAL are the little things I mentioned in my post, you can continue to think the FAL is better than the M14, but you will be wrong.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and the third is that it has horrible sights which can't be adjusted to windage & elevation.<span id='postcolor'>

LOL, all military rifles can be adjusted for deflection and elevation. Who was the biased writer you copied+pasted this from?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> full-auto capability<span id='postcolor'>

So what? I don't consider that a 'feature' on a 7.62 NATO battle rifle. Unless you like wasting rounds.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the first being that the FAL has gas system problems, and gas adjuster knob trouble, it is not as reliable as the M14.. not by a long shot.<span id='postcolor'>

Could you go into more detail?, those are just vague accusations. Hell, 90 countries can't be wrong, that rifle was put through the worst conditions and functioned fine. I'm not saying the M-14 didn't. Both are decent battle rifles. Both are now obsolete for what they were originally designed for and both have been replaced by smaller calibre assault rifles.

If I had to choose between the M-14 and the FN FAL, I would go with the FAL in a battle situation because of it's pistol grip and reliablility. If I was in a spotter/sniper role I would choose the M 21 variant because of its better 'feel'.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">as a matter of fact more matches were won by team Springfield using M14s than others won using other rifles (including FN FALs)<span id='postcolor'>

Any sane rifleman would bring a bolt-action to a shooting match. Of course those matches were probably for semi-autos only.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was replaced because of the US Government wanting to get the new "space age" m16 in to service, and the reason that McNamara had beef with Springfield Armory, not because it was a bad weapon.<span id='postcolor'>

That's only half the story. The other half would be that a good deal of the armies of the world were all progressing towards smaller calibre assault rifles after WW2. An M-14 or FAL would be one of the last weapons I would want fighting in a close combat situation, especially in the jungles of Vietnam. Each weapon has it's specialty.

Tyler

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LOL, all military rifles can be adjusted for deflection and elevation. Who was the biased writer you copied+pasted this from?<span id='postcolor'>

I did not copy and paste anything, it was studies based on personal experience, books, manuals, and other sources.

Also, my friend who helped me put it together was ex-special forces.

Second: The US M14/M1 sights are considered to be best in the world, and any non-biased user would agree.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hell, 90 countries can't be wrong<span id='postcolor'>

I believe I debunked your "90 countries cant be wrong" argument in my past post.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I had to choose between the M-14 and the FN FAL, I would go with the FAL in a battle situation because of it's pistol grip and reliablility<span id='postcolor'>

M14 also had a pistol grip in the later model, which is now used by US Armed forces, and how is the FAL more reliable than the M14?

I've also read the M14 brakes down in less parts, and is capable of firing with water in the barrel (which is why SEALs use it)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Any sane rifleman would bring a bolt-action to a shooting match. Of course those matches were probably for semi-autos only.<span id='postcolor'>

Not all semi automatics are inaccurate, and that has nothing to do with team Springfield using M14s to win the most matches of any sporting team.

Note: Other teams used G3 and FAL sporters.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">An M-14 or FAL would be one of the last weapons I would want fighting in a close combat situation, especially in the jungles of Vietnam. Each weapon has it's specialty.<span id='postcolor'>

Last weapon I want in Vietnam would be the M16.

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Hammer86

I won't even argue with you about that

By the looks of your signature-picture u will never admit that anyone can be better than US wink.gif

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It's a shame you think that, it really is.

And god forbid I take pride in my country, I have no disrespect for Assault since he is Canadian, and if he was in his countries armed forces than I salute him for his sacrifice to something greater than himself.

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I'm with Antichrist on this one apparently the Yanks weapons can’t be out done.

I have used both weapons give me the SLR any day

To ME (note I said ME) the M14 Felt junky

Also you need to check your figures 80% of the weapons used in ww2 where the English made LE mk2 no 2-3 (longbranch for Canada - Lithgow for us in OZ)

It was positioned so that all media from the period only had M1’s in shot if you blow up some of the pix from the time you can see the US made P14 ‘s

really this should be in the offtopic section smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.giftounge.gif

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Hammer lets not be soo nieve to believe that the M14 was selected over the FAL simply because it was the better rifle. Keep in mind that politics played a large role in the US military's adoption of weapons.

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The SLR was only used by britain becasue the US persuaded everyone to use 7.62.

The British had designed the EM2confused.gif(or similar) which was a early version of the SA80 which fired 7mm

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm with Antichrist on this one apparently the Yanks weapons can’t be out done.<span id='postcolor'>

Oh cry me a river, I guess if I disagree with something made by a foreign country I am automatically anti-everything non-American?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also you need to check your figures 80% of the weapons used in ww2 where the English made LE mk2 no 2-3 (longbranch for Canada - Lithgow for us in OZ)<span id='postcolor'>

All American rifleman of WW2 were issued M1 Garands, what part of that can you not read/understand?

YOU need to check YOUR figures.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was positioned so that all media from the period only had M1’s in shot if you blow up some of the pix from the time you can see the US made P14 ‘s<span id='postcolor'>

So it was a huge conspiracy huh?

Ask any WW2 Vet what rifle they were issued, it was the M1 Garand, they were mass produced right up until Korea.. I suppose the US was just making them for no reason?

I suppose the same goes for the M1911?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hammer lets not be soo nieve to believe that the M14 was selected over the FAL simply because it was the better rifle. Keep in mind that politics played a large role in the US military's adoption of weapons.<span id='postcolor'>

Don't be so ignorant to believe the FN FAL was not selected due to politics.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How old are you hammer<span id='postcolor'>

Guess

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erm i don't really agree on the 90 countries thing as more and more countries are replacing them and only shitty (no offence) third-world countrys will use it in the future

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Hammer you are dumb

Do some reading and come back

You probably don even know that “with out the French the USA would not exist†and that was from the curator of the Smithsonian   (or your in denial )

I have spoken to several friends of my grandfathers they all make the comment that the majority of the Yanks they worked with where using P19 in WW2 (this was in the pacific)

You need to listen to people and they you may learn. I find out new stuff about my country all the time

Hammer if you wont listen I’m out of here I have had enough of you narrow minded drivel  , open you eyes and ear and you may stop being a wanker ,

I’m out of here

ASK HAMMER RED IS GEALY GREEN (apparently)

All figures i have stated came from places with in the UK AND AUSTRALIAN ARMYS just cant say where smile.gif

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hammer you are dumb<span id='postcolor'>

Heh, the pot calling the kettle black!

<span id='postcolor'>You probably don even know that “with out the French the USA would not exist†and that was from the curator of the Smithsonian   (or your in denial )</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

If you are referring to WW2, without the allied invasion of France they would not exist.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have spoken to several friends of my grandfathers they all make the comment that the majority of the Yanks they worked with where using P19 in WW2 (this was in the pacific)<span id='postcolor'>

Well, either you're lying or they're full of horse shit.

My father was in the Army, my father's friends were in the air force, I've talked to Ranger veterans in Ft. Benning GA, you know what weapon they were issued in WW2?

An American made M1 Garand.

Any WW2 history book will tell you that 99% of American riflemen were issued M1 Garands.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All figures i have stated came from places with in the UK AND AUSTRALIAN ARMYS just cant say where<span id='postcolor'>

Because you're making it up

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You need to listen to people and they you may learn. I find out new stuff about my country all the time<span id='postcolor'>

Well, I have learned that you don't have the foggiest idea of what you're talking about.

heh! learn something new every day huh?

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Dam your a wanker Hammer

for the record my sources in the UK army is my Dec Granfarther (step)at time of death he was a Col

the second is a curent serving Major with 6RAR

i have cheacked with all partys and I can say that much

you are 16 arnt you Hammer confused.gif?

(sory for bad spelling's hammer has pised me off by calling me a liar )

FFS i cam here tooking for a mod for OFP and this 16yr old yank just wants to cary on about the USA , I JUST DONT CARE HAMMER, I-ME-MYSELF, DOSE NOT LIKE THE #!@$! M14

FOR THE REASONS STATED DEAL WITH IT JUST BECAUS ITS MADE IN THE USA DONT MAKE IT THE BEST EQUIP (DEAL WITH IT ) SOME OF MY BEST MATES ARE YANKS THERE NOT #$#$ WITS

dam HAMMER GO THE THE OFFTOPIC SECTION PEOPLE THER WILL FLAME YOU ALL DAY IF THATS WHAT YOU WANT YOU WILL FIND IT HEREhttp://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard301/ikonboard.cgi?act=SF;f=11

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