Arma 2 Lan Bug

[Faucon EPC 0]

Hello,

I have just buy arma 2 and install it on my computer and the computer of my father.

When I lunched the game on the second computer there was a message that say the CD key is already in use.

I didn't wan't to go to Internet multiplayer what's the matter?

On console I can play with my father with one DVD.

After that I can't neither play on my computer nor on my father computer.

Please help me.

[Bulldogs 10]

ok... I'll explain this since you don't seem to know.

The way it works is that when you buy a game you're only allowed it installed on one computer at any given time.

Installing it on 2 computers is illegal and a breach of the terms of use.

The reason you are getting that error is for exactly this fact.

In other words, if you want to use it on 2 computers then buy 2 copies of the game.

[=Spetsnaz= 0]

hmm odd ive never encountered this issue,i havent got arma 2 yet but i was able to do that with arma 1 and ofp perfectly on LAN??

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ok... I'll explain this since you don't seem to know.

The way it works is that when you buy a game you're only allowed it installed on one computer at any given time.

Installing it on 2 computers is illegal and a breach of the terms of use.

The reason you are getting that error is for exactly this fact.

In other words, if you want to use it on 2 computers then buy 2 copies of the game.

also on a note bulldogs, im not trying to defend piracy or anything here but how many gamers out there would expect having to buy 2 copies of the same game to run it on 2 computers at home, most gamers like myself expect to buy one copy and able to run it on all computers at home. Get my point? and im not talking about distributing it to friends etc

Edited July 4, 2009 by =Spetsnaz=

[Faucon EPC 0]

Ok but I have just buy the game and now it is out of order, must I buy an other game?

Is it legal this on PC dislike on console where we play with every one on a single game?

I try to uninstall the two games and reinstall properly the game on only one PC, nothing can do it???

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I can't play with my DVD the game don't want to lunch now.

Nobody wants help me?

My father says that in France where I am just, only a judge, professional of the law, can take the game (look Hadopi law). So why the game can't work?

Can I play again faster? I think you are very not in law like you pretend!

I am very disapointed and don't like your reaction!

I am thinking not to by again a Bohemia game, and post on forums like Securom users who are like me I think now!

[Bulldogs 10]

Uninstall it off both computers, reinstall it on one computer and contact securom to explain your problem. Hopefully they will help.

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SOrry, it's hard to explain since your English doesn't seem that good.

I was not trying to insult you, just stating that what you are trying to do is illegal (in all parts of the world, including France)

Although I have studied Law I am not in Corporate lawyer, I am just stating what is in the terms of use and the general law involved with distributed media. (Copywrite laws)

Contact Securom (French division) and they should be able to help you. Read the manuals and terms of use that comes with the game as well to help you understand.

[Baff1 0]

ok... I'll explain this since you don't seem to know.

The way it works is that when you buy a game you're only allowed it installed on one computer at any given time.

Installing it on 2 computers is illegal and a breach of the terms of use.

The reason you are getting that error is for exactly this fact.

In other words, if you want to use it on 2 computers then buy 2 copies of the game.

What utter rubbish.

When you buy a game you are entitled to install it on as many computers as you own.

Some underhand publishers may conspire to deny you those legal rights. Those that do can and may be found to breaking the law.

"Terms of Use that come with a game" are covered by Retail and Tort (contract) law not Copywright law. The only legally binding contract you have with a retail game is with the person you bought it from. The shop owner.

Like Russianguy my primary reason for buying this game is for play on my home LAN. I can afford 1 copy, I can't afford 4.

The solution if it won't work?

You can take it back and get a refund, or you can wait until either some pirates disable the Securerom, or BIS does as it has always done in the past at a much later date to release.

Edited July 4, 2009 by Baff1

[Bulldogs 10]

Don't mean to sound like an asshat, but we're talking copywrite licensing laws which state that one install per license (or key) may be installed on anyone PC at a time. Otherwise you could buy one game and install it on as many PC's as you like.

A game, like Arma 2, operates under a license law as well as a property law (virtual or physical).

What this means is that at one time you can install it on one computer due to licensing laws. Property laws state that you may only install the game if you own the physical (or virtual) media once for each license.

What this means is if you install it on one computer then if you want to install it on another computer you must first remove it from that computer.

That said, there are many different types of licensing laws but we are looking at a license law of per 1. That means installed on 1 computer per key. Per 2 or more would allow more computers at a single time.

I should point out that due to copywrite law you can personally own 1 backup copy per property, but that doesn't alleviate from license on installation.

[Baff1 0]

Don't mean to sound like an asshat back, but you haven't studied these laws and I have.

Copywright law has nothing to do with lisencing agreements and certainly makes no reference whatsoever to the amount of times you can install software or the number of machines in which you can use it on concurrently.

A software bought in a shop comes with no legal lisence agreement. It is a retail purchase, not a lisence.

Off the top of my head this ruling was made in the case of Novell Inc vs Adobe by Judge C. Prenderghast?

It didn't go to high court, so no precedent has been set, but it should give you a good idea of how any precedent can expect to be set. 6/8 EULA cases have ruled against the validity of the EULA and all publishers ever have dropped their cases rather than risk a high court precedent.

Class actions against publishers using restrictive DRM's have a long history of success. It isn't the end user who is acting illegally in these cases, it is the people conspiring to defraud them of their civil rights for personal gain.

You are confusing what many publishers wish the law to be with what the law actually is.

Edited July 4, 2009 by Baff1

[=Spetsnaz= 0]

I have to kind of agree with baff1 on this, but somehow i do see your point here bulldogs. I mean if there is one copy then only one person can use that copy to play online at a time right, but i don't think it should restrict him from playing on LAN at home on his other computer against a family relative or a friend. I mean most internet cafes you go nowday's only use one copy of a game and install it on all their computer's on the network. I mean personally generally people get off put if they require to buy more than 1 copy than they need to run on all their computers.

This is what also contributes to piracy when people get put off like this.

BIS develops great games, and im 100% certain they will make alot of profit from ArmA 2 sales, but if they going to try make their game as strict as possible, there will be more people getting annoyed and then pirate the game .. Look at the game Spore which has anti piracy software but then became the most pirated game.. because it had somewhat limited 3 installations? I know how piracy works because ive done research on it

Look at the windows xp operating system, people who purchased the OS with say 3+ computers in their home expected to run the operating system on all their computers, but however did little did they know they would require more licenses? People in general expect to buy one copy and use that one only, when they find out they need an extra copy, they aren't happy, they feel like they have been ripped.

I mean where you would require more copies would be say if you owned had 2 xbox 360's and you wanted to LAN that together, that would require 2 discs. Because both consoles require the physical disc in each console.

Im trying to just state my opinion here, i paid for my copy of ArmA 2, because i support BIS for such a great game they made, and i actually believe the game is very good for my money. But if i have to buy an extra copy to run it on my laptop at home just to play on LAN, im sorry ill pass on that

Edited July 4, 2009 by =Spetsnaz=

[Bulldogs 10]

Alright. I'm just going to quote the license you agree to when you install, here's some nice highlights :

BOHEMIA INTERACTIVE STUDIO ("BIS") ,AND 505 GAMES ARE WILLING TO LICENSE THE SOFTWARE (as defined below) TO YOU ONLY ON THE CONDITION THAT YOU ACCEPT ALL OF THE TERMS IN THIS LICENSE (the "License") AND INDICATE YOUR ACCEPTANCE BY SELECTING "YES". PLEASE READ THE TERMS CAREFULLY BEFORE SELECTING "YES" TO ACCEPT THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE.

By selecting "Yes" to accept this License, and/or by loading or running the Software, or placing or copying the Software onto your computer hard drive, computer RAM or other storage, you acknowledge that you have read this License, understand it and agree to be bound by all of its terms and conditions.

By selecting "No" or by otherwise failing to select "Yes" to accept this License, you decline our offer and the terms of this License. If you do not accept the terms of this License, you must immediately (1) not install (or uninstall) or use the Software and any other materials associated with the Software, (2) completely delete all copies of the Software and all related files from your computer and (3) promptly return the Software in its protective covering, all other enclosed materials and the original sales invoice to the place of purchase for a refund or exchange, subject to the return policy of the retailer. If you so decline, any refund by the retailer of the price you paid to use the Software will be your sole and exclusive remedy and our sole and exclusive liability in connection with the Software.

you may load the Software only onto the hard drive of a single machine and run the Software from only that hard drive

Ok. I cut a lot out, but I'm just pointing out that when you agree to this it is a legally binding contract.

Don't get me wrong here. The debate is, and as I see it that's what he's doing, that you can't buy one game and use that DVD and CDkey to install on may different computers. If they buy a second copy then they can play all they like.

CDKey license aside, the game is protected physically and virtually meaning that if you buy a CDKEY online and try to install using someone elses DVD then you are breaching the agreement and breaking the law.

I'm not going to continue this argument anymore and leave it to a representative of BIS (and Securom) to deal with as it's a legal situation as pertaining to parties that I have no representation of.

Thank you, Have a nice day.

EDIT : Just to add. I'm not trying to ruin anyones day or make them feel bad but this is why disclaimers are put in place.

Standard copyright laws were put in place to prevent the copying of physical media. The law was amended for games to allow one backup of a single game (or piece of software), but a solid law was too difficult to localise so they allowed for licensing and as such any license agreement you make is a legally binding contract (yes, solid, I even spoke like this in court, hence why I never made it that far in Law, well, that and because I was too much of a nerd to not go computer science)

Edited July 4, 2009 by Bulldogs

[Faucon EPC 0]

lol XD

Your argument is like the army :

You quote the rules so you you are going to be in cheat for long time like we say in France ^^

[Bulldogs 10]

ahh.. ok

You got me on that one (whatever you said)

Let's just leave this as, it's not a bug, it's an intended feature.

[Baff1 0]

BIS and 505 don't make the rules mate, parliament does.

They can either abide by them or trade elsewhere.

No one cares what's in their EULA.

The law is the law and they don't get to make it.

But if that's the only problem for you, then they could re-write any part that says you are not allowed to install on more than one computer at a time and this forum is certainly the right place to ask them to do so.

Please take the time to look up and read standard copywright laws. Once you have done so please take the time to look up the case histories of this issue. Rather then tell me how you would have said things in court, lets discuss the actual things that have been said in court.

In order for any lisencing agreement to be legal there are certain requirments it must meet to be considered a legally binding contract.

Firstly it must be made between representatives of the company and the lisencee.

(This is very costly and only the really expensive specialist softwares that sell for thousands a piece can afford to have a company representative make a deal with each end user).

Secondly there is acceptance.

Clicking I agree on a EULA may arguably legally acknowledge your agreement, but a lisence is a two way street, the lisencee has to acknowledge his own agreement to you and the reciept of your agreement.

This argument was used in the case of Bnet.ed vs Blizzard. (Bnet.ed lost).

Once again although the validity of the EULA is not enshrined in law and has never been tested in a federal court, it has been in a number of district courts. 75% of all cases testing the validity of the EULA agreement have ruled it to be invalid.

It isn't a legally recognised agreement. It might one day become a binding agreement enshrined in law , but the odds are very much against this happening currently.

Under retail law it is an offence to sell items with hidden conditions. In most Eu countries, it is a criminal offence that carries a prison sentence, while in the U.S. it is only a civil offence.

If EULA's were legalised all retailers would then be obliged to read through them with their customers before accepting any money. Imagine the queues at the till!

The problem with lisencing software rather than selling it in standard retail arrangements is the manpower cost of making all these individual agreements. For an entertainment product like a £35 game, it just isn't viable.

The purpose of copywright law is not to prevent the copying of physical media, it is to prevent it's unauthorised distribution. In fact as you noted it even goes so far as to specifically allow reverse engineering if that is what it takes to make a backup copy. Your right to physically copy the media gets a specific mention.

We aren't discussing making copies here however, we are discussing the number of concurrent installations. A subject that copywright law does not address since the purpose of copywright law is to prevent piracy, not to curtail end user enjoyment.

Edited July 4, 2009 by Baff1

[Bulldogs 10]

This is what I get for posting while drunk....

I must admit that a lot of that I didn't know (once again, never specialised in copyright law)

But, and correct me if I'm wrong, being that the intellectual, and for all intensive purposes, physical property is licensed by Blizz.

Now, the country (or region) constitutes the trade law, but the property is first and foremost that of the company.

So in terms of use, the company uses the term "license" as it dictates to be a an rental agreement for the property and the company retains ownership of the product.

Therefor the company has every legal right to withdraw use of the product to a person/s for reasons that they believe to be a breach of agreement.

This being solidified by the Securom agreement of needing to uninstall a product in order to reinstall it (or at least only activate it a certain amount of times)

So, as I said correct me if I'm wrong, BIS could state an agreement which, whether legally binding or not, they could refuse further use of the product?

Also, I'm curious about the final course of the legality of the agreement as I asked my friend about it (who majored in copyright law) but what he said was kinda.. well, he's really drunk (not a very good lawyer either :))

So any ratification would be helpful to fulfill my curiosity.

One other thing I'd like to ask, since you are well versed in the situation of it. I've seen people have their forum accounts closed down for piracy after buying CdKeys online and installing from a friends DVD. I'm just curious if this is because of a breach of property use or if it's on an actual legal breach.

EDIT : Nvm, my mate just started sobering up and explained it to me, which of course means I was lied to by my teachers.. well, maybe I misinterpreted what they said, but thanks for helping clear things up.

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OK, now I'm getting really confused.

My friend has just explained it further. He states that if you agree to the license when installing then that is legally binding. (He even went as far as to show me cases where the taxation office has fined companies millions for breaches of using the same CD key in an internet cafe)

At least that's how the law is in Australia, I'll have to look further into International/European Law.

Edited July 4, 2009 by Bulldogs

[Faucon EPC 0]

Sunday and Securom don't answer my message.

I am thinking to play freesbi with my new DVD.

[Faucon EPC 0]

I tried to uninstall one time again on the only computer installed.

uninstall all personnal arma 2 documents.

cut inter and intra net connexion of Arma 2 with my firewall.

The autoexec of the DVD don't want to lunch.

The setup of the DVD is lunching and I enter my CD KEY.

The install finish.

I click on the shortcut it seems to lunch and nothing appeer.

*Securom is realy a big cheat* Thinking.

*Why have you chose securom* sighs.

...

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I have visited french forums for solution on this problem and I saw that all men using or not securom think like me: It is not a secuity it's a big cheat.

Like a nuchlear bomb killing all players and the game to avoid hackers.

What are your point of vue in US with Securom?

Do you listen really to your communoty gamers to choose Securom?

[Baff1 0]

Sorry Bulldog, I'm not up on Australian Law, EU and U.S. is almost word for word Identical, If I was a betting man I'd bet yours was too.

To re-iterate, a retail purchase is not a lisence, it is a purchase.

We do have lisence agreements and also rental agreements, but a retail purchase is a retail purchase.

Physical property and intellectual property are not interchangeable.

Because I am the designer, I own the IP for Land Rovers, that does not mean you are renting your Land Rover from me in all but name.

You own it.

BIS own the copywright for their game. They do not own any copy of their game that they have sold. Only the copywright.

It is perfectly possible for you to enter into a lisencing agreement with a company and should you breach that agreement for them to withdraw your services.

In a retail agreement if your product does not do what it is supposed to do, the retail agreement is invalid. You may return the product for a complete refund.

Further to this, if the bug, error or limitation to capabilities was not clearly displayed on the box you may prosecute the retailer. (Criminally in EU, civilly in U.S.).

Those of us who didn't buy our games direct from BIS have no agreement with BIS whatsover. Not lisencing, nor rental, nor purchase.

If BIS cuts off our service, that would invalidate the purchase agreement we have with whoever we bought the game from. (Our retailer).

Forum access is a privilage granted to us by the forums owners BIS. They can ban us for any reason they like. We have no legal right to access their website. It's not a commercial arrangement.

Don't get me wrong, there are cases I'm aware of where the Shrinkwrap EULA has stood to be a legally binding agreement in court, it's just that there are a hell of a lot more where it hasn't. The ratio is about 1:3.

There is no law enshrining the legality of the EULA agreement. It simply doesn't exist.

Neither has any case ever reached federal/high/supreme court, so no precedent has ever been set. Once again, if I was a betting man I'd bet against it ever being set.

To argue that this is a legally binding contract is simply incorrect, it isn't.

I've no idea about Australian tax laws. That would be a red herring.

Copywright Law does not allow you to commercially operate your software/movie etc. without the copywright holder's permission.

If you wish to rent it out, you need to apply for a rental lisence.

If you wish to broadcast it, you need to apply for a broadcast lisence. Same goes for an internet cafe.

Commercial operation is rather different from you installing your own game on your own PC's.

Edited July 5, 2009 by Baff1

[Faucon EPC 0]

I found where is the matter I think.

When you uninstall the game, Securom keep in register a folder name Securom :

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\SECUROM

In this, especialy, there is a folder name "License Information" that can't be remove at all. other folder can be manually removed after uninstall.

The erase of the maximum Securom register folder cause the autoexec of the game works fine but when launching the game there is no reaction at all.

So I believe that the game watch the last folder "License Information".

I am administrator of my PC, I think it isn't quite well.

Don't having the right to manipulate all files of my computer is a legal way?

[Killerwatt 0]

Its all academic anyway, since it needs a disc in each computer to be able to play on a lan. So if you want to play on a lan you need two discs. If you have two discs then you have two cd codes. If you have two cd codes, you have no problem.

[Faucon EPC 0]

To completly remove Securom we have to uninstall all games with Securom.

Then contact Sony on them website :

http://www.securom.com/support.asp

Then they give us the way to remove completly Securom.

What a long way o_O

I send a message to securom with all they wants like arma 2 detection problem software from Sony Securom.

I wait for what they say.

May be I will have an answer this week.

It is very boring to make all these things,

I don't think to play with a Securom game in my life again. This is legal I think.

I saw five french forums of gamers which have made petitions to eradicate Securom of the games.

EA games don't want anymore Securom in there games too.

[centrelink4 10]

Bulldogs and Baff1, whether or not you can make multiple copies of the game from on DVD purchase depends on what the explicit and implicit terms of the retail sale are and not, as Baff1 has indicated quite clearly, what the EULA says.

One could argue that it is implicit that the sale is for the household, not for one computer or xbox etc.

I'm sorry but Bulldogs you dont seem too clear on Australian law nor does your friend.

You dont 'major' in copyright at any Aus law school ive heard of. Also its usually called intellectual property.

Secondly you should have atleast done the basics of intellectual property in some sort of commercial law subject.

Thirdly why would the ATO (Aus Tax Office) fine someone for copyright infringement? They (unsurprisingly!) deal with tax matters, criminal copyright infringement would be a matter for the federal police.

Finally if you were in any sort of law at all you should have done first year contract law and realised a EULA fails for a lack of consideration. T

hat even if it didnt you would have a number of consumer protection laws to fall back on to modifiy its harsh terms or exempt you from it.

As a postscript I will add that we in Aus do indeed have a variety of consumer protection laws and unfair contract term laws as well as cheap do it yourself (no lawyer needed) small claims tribunals.

[Faucon EPC 0]

Securom has contact me.

Securom appearly are not against reactive all my keys but there is a software matter.

They say that it may be a problem, they make me change my arma2.exe but nothing change.

So I answer them what happen at this time, I tell you what they tell me if they solved...

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They have respond me :

"

Hello.

Thank you for your email.

I've checked your analysis file, but will need to consult our developers to

offer a solution.

We will return to you as soon as possible. Thank you for your cooperation and

patience.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

Best regards,

"

[MPBR 10]

Umm, but its been the case that to play on a LAN for MOST games that you do need individual copies / keys... And to be honest I can understand and agree with that.

There have been some games released that will allow a LAN copy to play with other locally, but they are few and far between.

I am not talking how many you can install it on at once etc, but how many can actually use/play the title at once.

many a time I have brought 2-4 copies of a game (kinda a group buy) for mates to have LAN games.

I guess I just don't understand why people are so upset about having to own / buy a few copies for LAN's etc (I mean, as it stands any copy is not limted to LAN only and not Internet play).

Gaming is a hobby / luxuary .. and like all cost.

[Master gamawa 0]

Yeah, cough it up big guy! I bought 6 copies of Armed Assault to play on LAN.

Imagine what would happen if I was allowed to install the game in every pc I considered to be mine.

I mean the game doesn't know that I DON'T own all my friend's pcs. That would allow them to get the game for free.

It's pretty sweet that you play with your father but one copy allows you to play on ONE pc.

I installed ARMA2 only on my main Pc because I didn't know if the others would run it and I am not going to spend 150 euros just to check.

So I installed the same copy to another pc I own, just to see if it runs well enough. Have I angered THE GREAT GOD FADE with this?

Will I be able to install a new fresh copy of the game on this pc without problems? I didn't play on the internet. I just tested a few single missions to see how it performs.

[Faucon EPC 0]

The solution to the matter is to completely uninstall Securom 's files :

The Securom mail to remove and solve this problem :

"

Hello.

Thank you for your email.

You can remove all SecuROM related files, folders and registry keys if

desired.

To manually remove SecuROM related files, folders and registry keys:

SecuROM has different authentication features which each publisher can choose

to use. The two most popular features are the disc check and product

activation. SecuROM features are used for every title individually. This means

you can have two games with different SecuROM versions installed.

During launch, SecuROM unpacks the files it needs to operate correctly.

Please find attached the SecuROM components.pdf which is a list of the files

and registry keys typically stored on a Windows PC when using a SecuROM

protected application.

If you have a SecuROM protected executable, you can run it with 2 parameters

to remove files (it's similar to what the SecuROM Uninstaller tool does).

game.exe /uninstall

This removes all SecuROM files, unless they are not locked by any other

process. For example, certain software installed on your PC may interfere

with the uninstaller (e.g., security tools which prevent modifications of the

registry, windows explorer locking files, et.).

The following files are deleted:

- CmdLineExt.dll (in your Windows\system32\ folder) + the Windows registry

entry for it: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\exefile\shellex\ContextMenuHandlers\CmdLineExt

- drm_dyndat_*.dll (one or more files; * stands for several digits) (in your

temp folder)

- drm_dialogs.dll (in your temp folder)

- SecuExp.exe (in your temp folder)

game.exe /fulluninstall

This is what the standalone SecuROM Uninstaller does as well. It deletes the

files like the /uninstall parameter above and in addition looks up the DRM

license settings and if possible deletes them as well (if they are

uncritical).

The SecuROM uninstaller has two states for the DRM data (license settings):

1) uncritical - the registry key and the folder are both deleted

2) critical - if you have an online activation stored in the DRM data, you

would lose one of your activations, therefore we don't delete it. The second

type of critical DRM data is when SecuROM product activation is combined with

a trial period of a game. This case is very rare.

If in your case the DRM data can't be deleted by the SecuROM Uninstaller it

might be that they contain your online activation of the game. This data is

stored on 2 places:

- The hidden SecuROM directory in your user folder

Windows 2000/XP:

C:\Documents and Settings\<USER>\Application data\SecuROM\UserData

Windows Vista 32/64 Bit:

C:\Users\<USER>\AppData\Roaming\SecuROM\UserData

Windows 98SE/ME:

C:\WINDOWS\Profiles\<USER>\Applicationdata\SecuROM\UserData

- In the registry

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\SecuROM

Note, the DRM data are not running processes, they are simply the storage of

your Activation license.

To remove the DRM data you have to first revoke the application. Run the game

executable with the parameter /revoke to start this process (please note that

not all PC games support this feature as it is up to the publisher to decide

whether or not to implement the revocation functionality offered by SecuROM).

Uninstalling the SecuROM protected application removes the SecuROM wrapper

around the executable.

Complete removal of unpacked SecuROM files and folders:

This means, if you run game.exe /uninstall and it runs fine, all SecuROM files

and folders are removed (except for the DRM data).

If you run game.exe /fulluninstall or the standalone SecuROM Uninstaller and

it quits without an error, all files + the DRM data are deleted.

Important: If you launch a SecuROM protected executable after the uninstall,

all SecuROM files, folders and registry keys are restored since they are

required for the launch of the application. You also have to activate your

game again if you deleted the critical DRM data.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.

Best regards,

SecuROM Support Team

SecuROM on the web: http://www.securom.com

or via e-mail: support@securom.com

"