The new left-hand team menu - what does it do exactly?

[Helmut_AUT 0]

Okay, even after a few days I still haven't a clue.

By default, when selecting an unit or all units, A2 now opens the "spacebar menu" instead of what we normally had under "backspace".

In that "spacebar menu" - for lack of a better term? I have a few items that are ALWAYS grayed out. There is something that translates to "Unit-Movement", next is "Unit-Firemode" and the last is "Commander-Unit".

What are these three items good for? How can I for example order an unit to use supressive fire (shouldn't that be possible now?).

It's a shame that the spacebar menu no longer allows to select team by color - or does it somehow? All that's left from A1 is "Shift + Select Teammember" to select a whole color team. Why so complicated?

[horror1 10]

i agree, i wish i could use the backspace on my spacebar instead and i miss the teammembers selection as i could do in arma1 with middlemouse, now i have to watch on the ai players wich are sometimes freaking moving all the time so the menu is jumping all the time AAAAAAAARGH and i couldnt figure out yet how to select more than 1 teammember with mouse, i can only select one (if he isnt moving all the time) and give him an order while in arma2 i could select a few teamembers by simple clicking them in commenu with middlemouse, it was perfect.

ARMA1 command system worked perfect for me and i had the oportunity to select the players from the com menu, now its absolutely shit.

and NO i dont want to assign them to red or green team i just want to select them by simple clicking with the mouse and order dynamically teammates and not predefined teams.

[Alex72 1]

Press SPACE to choose all AI or hit the F buttons for single AI's.

[horror1 10]

Press SPACE to choose all AI or hit the F buttons for single AI's.

i just said that this is NOT what i want.

i know how to choose all and i know how to choose players with f, but it is not comfortable as i used in arma1 bcause i could choose players with middlemouse and could perform all the tasks simple with my spacebar and mouse and now i have to push multiple keys to do the things i couild do in arma1 just with mouse and spacebar so it is now less comfortable than it was.

one example: to let my ppl perform a new formation i must push backspace and space and scroll to formation and click the new formation.

in arma1 i just needed to hold space and choose formation and click it.

next is to give a advanceorder to 3 ppl.

in arma1 i just push space and choose 3 ppl with middlemouse and select advance from menu and they go, now i have to use 3 f keays and backspace and space and mousescrol to just give a simple advance order to 3 ppl combined with a formation change it gets absolutely annoying.

this system is bs aslong i cannot reassign the backspace key and select multiple teammates as in arma1 by simple clicking middlemouse period.

[Alpha-Kilo 36]

If you don't wan to press [sPACE] for your whole group, you can also press [^], which is located below [ESC]. Maybe you can map this key to work with your middlemouse. I think the standard use for middlemouse is to make a choice from the action menu.

[Alex72 1]

Ok yes i know what you mean. I noticed it too that i couldnt access my units through the menu only. And it takes away your eyes from the screen when you need to find "F" buttons. I thaught the units were in the "complex" menu, but i never saw that as i tested early ARMA2 version. It was my impression though that BIS would activate the menu to expand more. Maybe i was wrong.

[whisper 0]

Try pushing CTRL while in this "SPACEBAR" menu ;)

Also move your visor to various place to see the contextual changes

I personnaly don't like the new interface much, leads to too much wonrg orders given (worse being ordering a move on the map to a team member, you zoom in to get a better map view, click to give the move order, only to see that your sooming also cycled through the commands and you just asked your unit to disembark....)

[horror1 10]

@alpha-kilo

wow either my english is bs or u dont get my problem, perhaps both :)

ok i try again to explain what i miss from arma1 and want for arma2:

i know exactly how to choose the whole team either with spacebar or ^ .

i just dont want to use the f buttons to choose only a few members , i want to do it like in arma1 with simple clicking on middlemouse button and choose the players.

i want also the com menu to use all commands i had in arma1 eg: formation, move, action etc etc.

atm its only availlable by backspace key wich isnt best solution for me as i would like to assign it to spacebutton.

i play arma2 since may and im still affected by the bad ai controlling in the menus.

i have made some missions on arma1 avgani and ported them to arma2 avgani and the control of my ai team in arma2 is horrible while in arma1 its easy as possible.

now in arma2 i must use so much more buttons while beeing attacked wich makes it absolutely unconfortable for me.

i would be glad if i could choose between arma1 commenu and arma2 , so maybe there are some more ppl who are not satisfied with the given com menu in arma2 and have some edit skills to change it back to arma1 menu style :D

Edited June 18, 2009 by horror1

[whisper 0]

1) many functions are yes missing without the knowledge of associated key numbers

2) other functions are only context sensitive. You'll get them only when pointing to the correct item

3) other functions too are accessible when pressing CTRL and SPACE at the same time

And from what I tested, colored teams are broken (or I need course on how to get out of teams menu when 1 is selected and actually give them an order)

[Helmut_AUT 0]

You might be able to STRG+click multiple team members trough the cursor, or frame-select them in the command view.

As a whole the new menu is weird since it has a few permanently disabled items, and a few others are missing from before. If you are used to the digits for certain orders (ie. 8-8 is Formation-Compact Column) then you can still use that.

CTRL+Space is High Command mode, isn't it?

[Alex72 1]

Oh yeah - also looking at a unit and press mouse(?) will choose that unit only. So no need for "F".

Even though menu scroll was easier. I know.

EDIT: In the beta i noticed that when choosing a medic and having another unit in my squad hurt - there was no "quick" option coming up to send the medic to heal. That was a bit disapointing. Like choosing a medic and then point at the injured unit didnt bring up "HEAL THAT UNIT". Maybe fixed in final though?

Alex

[whisper 0]

CTRL+Space give new orders. Supression is hidden there ;)

Another big issue, it's the "LMB click to select". Huge TK potential there :D

[Alpha-Kilo 36]

@horror1,

I think I understand what you want, but - sorry - I cannot help you. As a mission maker you probably know more about the game than I do.

@All,

Currently I am experimenting a bit with speech control. I hope that talking to the AI subordinates makes memorizing all the keystrokes obsolete. Is there a document which lists the orders and their keystrokes? (Pointing me to the options menu and the user profile doesn't help because communication is not covered there.)

[Helmut_AUT 0]

Whisper, CTRL+SPACE for me brings up the High Command icons when High Command is enabled, and if I only have a single group to command, I get no change at all from hitting CTRL+SPACE.

This is weird. How can the same key combo do different things for different people? In the Controls Menu, there is only one item named "switch control menu" and that's the High Command Switch, but there's no supression there.

Edited June 18, 2009 by Helmut_AUT

[whisper 0]

oO Only with Left CTRL + Space if I remember well (sry, @work atm I can't check)

[Scrub 0]

Whisper, CTRL+SPACE for me brings up the High Command icons when High Command is enabled, and if I only have a single group to command, I get no change at all from hitting CTRL+SPACE.

This is weird. How can the same key combo do different things for different people?

Specific (left/right) CTRL button related functions, or custom keyboard mapping? Just a guess. :)

[whisper 0]

I don't remember changing the key bindings for this one

[turin turambar 0]

Contextual menu order is lacking something very important, the order to heal in the nearest medic/go and heal the nearest hurt guy.

[Helmut_AUT 0]

Whisper, it's ALT Key and SPACE for different menu options, CTRL+SPACE is high command. Just tested it.

Supression doesn't seem to do a whole lot.

For healing, I use F# + 6 + 1 (The Actions Menu on the medic) which usually is "Heal Guy#"

[whisper 0]

ah, thanks for correcting :) I mixed it up with Ctrl + LMB for fire order in tanks, I guess (which I only discovered yesterday)

[horror1 10]

Oh yeah - also looking at a unit and press mouse(?) will choose that unit only. So no need for "F".

yes i know as typed it in one of my first posts, the problem starts when u want to select 2 or 3 teammembers :)

as an example how usefull the arma1 menu was :

i choose 3 members with middlemouse and tell them to advance and to change formation into line and to hold fire until they got shot at and move only in crouched position.

for all this i need only a spacebar and mouse in arma1 and only a few clicks.

10 seconds at max

now all this has gotten to a endless pianoplaying multiple key orgy and almost impossible to perform this without having plenty of time.

[fish44 0]

Menu system in Arma was good, and worked will with the option to use the mouse wheel or the f keys to select members.

This video shows how effective the command selection process is in Arma, to assign and manage teams, using the mouse wheel. Lots of benefits to that approach.

If it ain't broken, then it don't need fixin.

If is is broken, then BI, please, please fix it.

:confused:

[Richmuel UK 0]

@horror1,

@All,

Currently I am experimenting a bit with speech control. I hope that talking to the AI subordinates makes memorizing all the keystrokes obsolete. Is there a document which lists the orders and their keystrokes? (Pointing me to the options menu and the user profile doesn't help because communication is not covered there.)

What is speech control? Have a missed a new feature where I can control my team by voice? Or do you mean the complex number menu?

[horror1 10]

This video shows how effective the command selection process is in Arma, to assign and manage teams, using the mouse wheel. Lots of benefits to that approach.

yeah the video shows exactly how easy it was in arma1 to command ur team without getting a headache:)