ralphwiggum 6 Posted March 8, 2002 made in USA = warantee is useless nxt time, buy a German or Japanese Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted March 8, 2002 Indeed. We own a Toyota tank, a Land Cruiser. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DodgeME 0 Posted March 8, 2002 I am pretty sure l can destroy an Abram with 3 shots from a T-80. Anyway 1 shot kill from afar is unrealistic anyway. Hope it gets fixed in 1.50 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Espectro (DayZ) 0 Posted March 8, 2002 U cant kill it with 3 shots. And if u can,. its pprobably because its been repaired. This is probably a bug BIS? That the tank seams repaired but isnt? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corp.Pihla 0 Posted March 8, 2002 Just wanted to enlighten Wooble: T-72 and T-80 does not, I repeat does NOT have same gun... Both guns are 125mm, but they are NOT same... (T-72 has 2A46 and T-80 2A26M-1) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted March 8, 2002 Last night in CTF.I'm in a repaired M1A1. (was pretty baldy busted before). 1 LAW to the turret (think it was from the side). and the tank goes up in flames. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DodgeME 0 Posted March 8, 2002 Same happent to me with an M60. Repaired it and 1 law was enough to destroy me Anywaty Wooble the M1A1 does not die from 1 shot lol. I tried some single player missions and saw that the M1A1 is still very durable. I started the mission and l got hit by laws and some heat rounds with only minor damage. Then l got a shot from a bmp and a law and a T-80 shot. I was badly damaged but still turret was working like a bitch refusing to die Muhahahahahahaha Anyway nothing changed for me as far as durability! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted March 8, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DodgeME @ Mar. 08 2002,17:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyway nothing changed for me as far as durability!<span id='postcolor'> What we're saying is there's a bug with repairing. Once you repair a badly damaged tank the armour seem to turn into wet paper tissue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 8, 2002 The T72 has a bigger more badass gun than the M1A. Proof - this is from my "Soldier's Manual of Common Tasks" (a.k.a War for dummies). Btw, check the print year on the front! -> 125 mm ->105 mm Close range, sure one shot would be enoug for any tank, but you never seem to get close in real life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted March 8, 2002 Yep those X's sure look impressive. Anyway I prefer eastern hardware myself but even I'll admit a T-72 is easily outclassed by an M1A1. Just look at Iraq Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 8, 2002 Well, the M1A2 is newer.. compare it to the T-90 or T-80. The post 1988 T72s with the Explosive Reactive Armour upgrade are still not to be underestimated. Iraq is a bad example for US vs Soviet technology. For a number of reasons: 1] Iraq had been severely bombed before the ground war. 2] The US had satellite overhead 3] The US had GPS-fitted tanks 4] Do I need to say airsupport? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted March 8, 2002 K we're getting offtopic here and I'm sure none of us is going to be able to get an M1A1,M60,T-72,T-80 together IRL and figure out how many shots from who kills who. So....Back to that nasty little Bug. BIS, have you guys got your flyswatter handy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpaceAlex 0 Posted March 8, 2002 Just tested. Took 4 sabots from T72 or T80 and 7 sabots from M60 or T55 to destroy an Abrams.(i was shooting at the turret. Took 5 sabots from the side). When i repaired damaged abrmas everything was the same. It's possible that this is happening because of the edited config. I'm using original config. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted March 8, 2002 Original Config here, fresh out of the 1.46 patch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damage Inc 0 Posted March 8, 2002 Although I think the Abrams could be weakened a little, it's way too powerful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpaceAlex 0 Posted March 8, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 08 2002,17:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The T72 has a bigger more badass gun than the M1A.<span id='postcolor'> Who's talkinag about M1A. We're talking about M1A1. this tank is much much better than M1A. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted March 8, 2002 Maybe a bit but just one LAW to take it out??? Heh, maybe the other team knew something I didn't because just before the LAW attack they strafed my tank with a Chinook's .50 cal before I put a HEAT into it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 8, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Mar. 08 2002,18:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yep those X's sure look impressive.<span id='postcolor'> Hmm... sorry.. the url to the images were wrong... fixed now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted March 8, 2002 Actually I take my last comment back, The M1A1 should not be weakened, think about it, the M1A1 is to the West what the Hind is to the Soviets (I know I've heard a lot of whining about not being able to penetrate the canopy) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 8, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpaceAlex @ Mar. 08 2002,18:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Mar. 08 2002,17:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The T72 has a bigger more badass gun than the M1A.<span id='postcolor'> Who's talkinag about M1A. We're talking about M1A1. this tank is much much better than M1A.<span id='postcolor'> M1A = M1A1 or M1A2 M1A2 is the latest revision, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpaceAlex 0 Posted March 8, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">M1A = M1A1 or M1A2 M1A2 is the latest revision<span id='postcolor'> Do u think i don't know that. M1: first Abrams: 105mm main gun, not so good armor. M1A: a little better than the first one. don't want to go into details. M1A1: A lot better. Better armor, 120mm smoothbore main gun, an NBC overpressure protection system.... M1A1D: improved situational awareness and far target designate capability M1A2: System Enhancement Program (for better digital command and control capabilities and to to improve the tank’s fightability and lethality), thermal Image System (TIS) and the Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer. A few other things on the turret. Again, don't wanna go into details. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 8, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SpaceAlex @ Mar. 08 2002,18:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">M1A = M1A1 or M1A2 M1A2 is the latest revision<span id='postcolor'> Do u think i don't know that. M1: first Abrams: 105mm main gun, not so good armor. M1A: a little better than the first one. don't want to go into details. M1A1: A lot better. Better armor, 120mm smoothbore main gun, an NBC overpressure protection system....<span id='postcolor'> There is no M1A tank. The M1 came in 1978, M1A1 in 1985 and M1A2 in 1986... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
r71 0 Posted March 8, 2002 Three versions of the Abrams tank are currently in service the original M1 model, dating from the early 1980s, and two newer versions, designated M1A1 and M1A2. The M1A1 series, produced from 1985 through 1993, replaced the M1’s 105mm main gun with a 120mm gun and incorporated numerous other enhancements, including an improved suspension, a new turret, increased armor protection, and a nuclear-chemical-biological protection system. The main weapon of the M1A1 is the M256 120mm smoothbore cannon has engagement ranges approaching 4000 meters that were successfully demonstrated during Operation Desert Storm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Kane 0 Posted March 8, 2002 I say that the next patch should give the current tanks the same stats that they have in AaronAsh's tank-addon thing. I downloaded it and it kicks ass IFV's are actually a threat to tanks now. BMP-2's can disable your abrams in like two missiles, and they can hit strike from beyond visual range Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkTerritory3 0 Posted March 8, 2002 I didn`t have the bug here either. After repairing i had to shoot the mia1 5 shot with the t-80. Using patch 1.46 with satchel sounds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
