Not very encouraging news about ArmedA 2

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I played OFP back in 2002/2003

I played Elite in 2005/2006

I played ArmA in 2006/2007

I made photo's as a army photograper in a virtual battlefield

or go check here

I made several Elite video's, amongst which my magnum opus Battle at Le Port

I even made 2 ArmA video's Cobra Attack and Zombies

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So **I** sure as hell know what i'm talking about. I f*****g just want a 360 version of ArmA2 and/or OFP2, and i am pretty sure i will manage to play with the controller. ... That the 360 will be 'a bit less pretty' than the pc version ... well good for you, you should have that benefit, cause you paid for it!

So, anyone who still whines 'it is not good/possible on kiddy consoles' plz, make a more epic video than Battle at Le Port (yourself, not ripped from the net) and i will perhaps give you any credit ... until than i'm just not impressed by any pc argument.

(Yes, i know Elite didn't sell well ... probably because of lots of reasons but lets see if OFP2 and/or ArmA2 can correct that misfortune of a gem of a game)

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Quote[/b] ]Have you played OFP or ArmA?

OFP, yes, long time ago but wasn't fun for me so I quit. ArmA only the demo which wasn't fun either, since I lose interest very fast if forced to play with mouse/keyboard. I only play strategy games on the PC.

Grim

You are a console boy so no wonder why dont you like ofp/arma.So dont say your opinion for a game you are not going to play.

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Quote[/b] ]Have you played OFP or ArmA?

OFP, yes, long time ago but wasn't fun for me so I quit. ArmA only the demo which wasn't fun either, since I lose interest very fast if forced to play with mouse/keyboard. I only play strategy games on the PC.

Grim

You are a console boy so no wonder why dont you like ofp/arma.So dont say your opinion for a game you are not going to play.

Errm, he played Elite (iirc that has an UPDATED OFP engine)

Problem with this community is that they will happily kill-off their little brother (called Elite). In stead of being PROUD that the OFP expanded to unknown territory .... no, you wouldn't want that to happen ... and you STILL don't ... how very ... (well, i will not go on , with P hinting at my language)

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@maxqubit- man I'm not here to pick a bone with you but I really don't get what's so epic about your video. It's basically watching you, watch an invasion thru binoc's with the soundtrack of Platoon sweeping melancholy in the backround. There's not much creative uses of angle , lighting or plot development. It's not terrible or anything, but I wouldn't go pounding my chest over it either.

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Quote[/b] ]Have you played OFP or ArmA?

OFP, yes, long time ago but wasn't fun for me so I quit. ArmA only the demo which wasn't fun either, since I lose interest very fast if forced to play with mouse/keyboard. I only play strategy games on the PC.

Grim

You are a console boy so no wonder why dont you like ofp/arma.So dont say your opinion for a game you are not going to play.

Errm, he played Elite (iirc that has an UPDATED OFP engine)

Problem with this community is that they will happily kill-off their little brother (called Elite). In stead of being PROUD that the OFP expanded to unknown territory .... no, you wouldn't want that to happen ... and you STILL don't ... how very ...  (well, i will not go on , with P hinting at my language)

He played Elite and he said that he didnt like it.So iI said that this happens cause he is a console boy.Then I said not to express his opinion about ArmA2 cause he is not going to play it.This is a topic about ArmA2 and not about elite,am i right?

Do you know whats the problem with consoles?That every game that goes from PC to consoles is doomed.OFP/ArmA is somewhat realistic games and i think that they doesnt match with consoles cause i can hardly bring to my mind a realistic/sim game for consoles.Maybe there will be some cuts in PC version about ArmA2 because consoles cant handle them.I wish there will be different versions so the pc version have more staff.And yes I hate consoles.

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Quote[/b] ]He played Elite and he said that he didnt like it

Where did I say that? I said I didn't have much fun with OFP and the ArmA demo on the PC. I never said that I didn't like Elite. Better read what others say instead of ranting what you think they said. We have a wargame website (largest in German) and there we have a microsite dedicated to Elite, I made several missions you can download and play (read my signature, it's there since I joined this *friendly* forum), so no I didn't have much fun with the mouse/keyboard combo but I LOVE Elite.

Grim

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@maxqubit- man I'm not here to pick a bone with you but I really don't get what's so epic about your video. It's basically watching you, watch an invasion thru binoc's with the soundtrack of Platoon sweeping melancholy in the backround. There's not much creative uses of angle , lighting or plot development. It's not terrible or anything, but I wouldn't go pounding my chest over it either.

Epic as in -> you see OFP engine/AI in action ... as i explained in the comments.

I said the mission was dead easy ... yet the outcome (combined with the music) can be regarded as epic ... hence the 40.000+ views with 4,5/5 star rating. I mean ... plot development???? They whole point of this vid is to show the AI battle at Le Port ... THAT IS THE WHOLE PLOT (and i observed it thru bino's)

What did you want ... a machinima of Saving Private Ryan???

With this video i captured the soul of OFP (at least that is how i see it) ... if i missed something plz explain me what the soul of OFP is?

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And yes I hate consoles.

Hate is a very strong word/emotion ... i always suggest to my kids not to use that word because i don't think you really 'hate' something, it is mostly based on ignorance ... ppl who 'hate' are doomed (not consoles;))

But anyway ... i'm out of this forum, it consumes too much of my time:) .. i will check back after the summer on the status of ArmA2/360.

Have fun and good holidays.

-- Max

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Quote[/b] ]ROFLMFAO, are you serious? You CANT have the same game on the Xbox360 because the PC is vastly superior   (...)

 

Sorry, but I quit reading after that, since it's the typical PC nerd nonsense we have to read over and over.  

Grim

Amen to that

You quit reading just because you can't accept the fact. PC > consoles anytime.

Amen.

These people will have a long wait for a direct port of ArmA or ArmA 2 for consoles. Console users are like that though, they are unaware of the technical differences between their $350.00 console and a $3,000 or more PC.

Thats why I won't even bother arguing the point. Current consoles aren't capable of fully emulating a PC, thats just a fact. If these guys want to pretend it isn't a fact, thats their prerogative. When ArmA 2 comes out, they will no doubt be disappointed (again).

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Thats why I won't even bother arguing the point. Current consoles aren't capable of fully emulating a PC, thats just a fact.

Yes. PC usually comes with bloated Windows. For PC's bloatness (compared to price) and technical problems (compared to price) i could turn to consoles, most of my best games ever has, for some reason, desided to not work with my newish rig.

Sadly i'm (computer) wargamer and consoles aren't much offering games for my taste.

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Thats why I won't even bother arguing the point. Current consoles aren't capable of fully emulating a PC, thats just a fact.

Yes. PC usually comes with bloated Windows. For PC's bloatness (compared to price) and technical problems (compared to price) i could turn to consoles,  most of my best games ever has, for some reason, desided to not work with my newish rig.  

Sadly i'm (computer) wargamer and consoles aren't much offering games for my taste.

Huh? What a lot of people fail to realise (and one of the reasons PC games sales are in decline) is that PCs require some level of aptitude.

PCs are infinitely more powerful regardless of Windows (what you said was fairly ignorant tbh). When it comes to DOA, Madden Etc, consoles are more than up to the task but for games like ArmA, more power is better.

My initial point stands, the console versions of ArmA and ArmA 2 are going to be scaled down for consoles. It's really futile to spit your dummy, call people who like PCs "nerds" etc etc.

Its a technical fact. I have no doubt that there will be consoles in the future that will be equal in horsepower to high end PCs, but as of right now, it quite simply isnt the case.

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Huh? What a lot of people fail to realise (and one of the reasons PC games sales are in decline) is that PCs require some level of aptitude.

Sorry but i've been user, builder, optimizer of my own PCs for 15 years. If that doesn't make me enough in the 'level of aptitude' then i'm bit confused.

Yes i'm not claiming that i'm expert (anymore), but i think i have idea of what are the problems when i comfront ones, usually.

Quote[/b] ]console versions of ArmA and ArmA 2 are going to be scaled down for consoles

Like how? Yes it's possible that in someway they are, like modding or view distance (compared to high end PCs), but i would still be seeing mostly same kind if product. A proof? OFP Elite? Oblivion's Developers said that Oblivion wasn't scaled down because of Xbox 360.

-I know that high-end PC is different beast, but most of us are still using average level PCs and that is something which is scaling down PC game developement as games are aimed at these guys too. I'm sorry that we are using poor PCs

-And i've read few small dev-team in game business to curse the fact that extra resources are drawn form makeing game better (like squashing bugs) to get games to work with big amount of different hardware

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Quote[/b] ]console versions of ArmA and ArmA 2 are going to be scaled down for consoles

Like how? Yes it's possible that in someway they are, like modding or view distance (compared to high end PCs), but i would still be seeing mostly same kind if product. A proof? OFP Elite? Oblivion's Developers said that Oblivion wasn't scaled down because of Xbox 360.

-I know that high-end PC is different beast, but most of us are still using average level PCs and that is something which is scaling down PC game developement as games are aimed at these guys too. I'm sorry that we are using poor PCs

-And i've read few small dev-team in game business to curse the fact that extra resources are drawn form makeing game better (like squashing bugs) to get games to work with big amount of different hardware

Its not about the horsepower.

Rather than the performance difference, its two things that makes console->pc ports feel scaled down:

1) the controllers

2) distance from which you look at the screen

In oblivion, pc-men had to use several mods to get UI feel bearable, default inventory had only laughable amount of stuff showing at once (because console-men dont see smaller stuff from their far away chairs). Also the crosshair was disturbingly large.

Need for speed underground series (atleast 1&2) had so horrible menus on pc that it really made me wanna brake something. You have to browse through millions of options WITH A FRIGGING KEYBOARD to do a simple thing that could be done with a single mouse click.

Now imagine PC mission editor in arma2, that doesnt utilize mouse because console gamers dont have it. Its not flaming, but something that really frightens me.

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Fonts and controller... My-my-my.

I know one too, it's pox. It spreads from hands of gamey console-gamers to hands of hard-core PC-gamers. Games made for both consoles and PC are what makes it to spread.

Remeber to wash your hands folks. More hotter is better. Or wear rubber gloves.

Not flaming but...

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Why even bother arguing over which platform is better? It's going to happen, the only think I'm interested in is whether BIS go for a multi-platform release or spend some time between versions tinkering to get the most from each platform. The latter to me sounds more desirable, since we know BIS won't get all their intended features into the game anyway I think it might be shooting themselves in the foot to try and release them together (cos we'll end up with a straight port rather than tailored versions, they don't have time to do one then the other and release them at the same time).

So far we've already seen some concessions to consoles - the squad control is being cut down drastically. You won't control more than your immediate team. I LOVE this idea and I'm glad that perhaps the console release is what allowed them to rethink a fundamental flaw to the game. Giving orders is currently clumsy and unintuitive, which makes it unrealistic and contrary to what giving orders is supposed to be (to enhance the normal actions of a unit, not to just allow it in the first place). If the best way to make order giving work better is to cut down your control of units in the game, then great. I never liked having to scroll through pages of radio commands and unit selections anyway, you can let the AI do that and get on with playing your own part in the conflict.

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... the gmaeplay is being dumbed down in order to optimize it for console play.

No game released on PC should have that happen ...

Explain 'The Sims' to me ... does 'The Sims' says anything on ArmA (although they both run on the same platform)

'Dumbed down' refers to a product, NOT a platform

The only thing which i image to be different on 360/ps3 is a possible mission editor (because it should accomodate the gamers using their std controller) ... and scripting/modding of course (that may stay a pc exclusive)

True. I hope it works well.