FallenPaladin 0 Posted February 28, 2002 The US government tries to get DNA-examples from the family of Osama bin Laden, in the attempt to compare them with DNA from Afghanistan. The government asked the family indirectly and as far as I know, got no DNA examples yet. That information came on wednesday from US sources. On the fourth of february attacked an unmanned US-spy-drone a small group of men in the region around Sawar Kili in the east of Afghanistan. One of them was very tall and the rest of the group dealed with him as if he was very highranked. That leaded to speculations, that the three killed men probably included the over 1,93 meter tall bin Laden. Ok, that`s what I got from the german news-broadcast N-TV. Hope my translation to english is understandable Do you think bin Laden has been killed? A question from my side: What weapons do these unmanned US-aircraft use? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FallenPaladin @ Feb. 28 2002,09:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A question from my side: What weapons do these unmanned US-aircraft use?<span id='postcolor'> Hellfires. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 28, 2002 Maybe the US wants to clone a more kinder gentler Osama. You know, like combine him with Dolly the sheep or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted February 28, 2002 LOL BTW, Avon, what do you think of Saudi-Arabia`s peace keeping attempt for Israel and the palestinaensians? As citizan from Israel would you say that are good news? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FallenPaladin @ Feb. 28 2002,09:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW, Avon, what do you think of Saudi-Arabia`s peace keeping attempt for Israel and the palestinaensians? As citizan from Israel would you say that are good news?<span id='postcolor'> We're not so naive. Oslo was based on land for peace. We got just the opposite. And this great idea coming from a country that doesn't allow Jews (from any country) past passport control. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted February 28, 2002 Thanks for your opinion, Avon. Even from the distance it`s hard to believe in a peaceful (and fast) end of the conflict/war in your country. But it`s always good to hear what the involved people think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 28, 2002 The only solution I see to the present situation is a military one. Most of the country here is disappointed in Sharon's not maximizing his options. The feeling here is that he's holding back: 1. Because he's under pressure from the US, especially if it's the US's intention to attack Iraq in the not-too-distant future. My gut feeling is that this is what's happening. 2. Because it would ruin his coalition with the Labor party. There is something to this but I could not stomach the thought that Sharon is letting us get killed and maimed because of political reasons like this. 3. Because he's plain chicken to take responsibility and would rather be blamed just for a war of attrition rather than an all out offensive war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted February 28, 2002 Politicians are always of the same kind Most of them are only interested in their own wealth. Shouldn`t they work in our interests?!!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOmega 0 Posted February 28, 2002 Avon... fortunately u are wrong. Modern day conflicts are not resolved by military solution alone. If u do not understand this yet u should look into it deeper. Quite sad really hearing u say that. If u still have doubts i will explain why not. Simply put a military solution would mean that anything less than total war would fail. Arab states have given up on military option. Ask yourself this: Why? Total solution would be that Israel would have to physically neutralize an entire population. The problem simply put is that Israel was created on a already populated land, against their will. Im not questioning the legitimacy if they where nomadic, non-sedintary ppl, etc. The problem is not only political, its cultural from the start. Jews with their idea of a homeland and arabs with their own opinions. A holy city in the middle of it all. Being Religion that determined policy - Culture in fact- is in the middle of it all be it Israeli-Jewish or Arab-Islamic. Arab states made direct wars, which they lost, but the problem remained. Population and their will. For a military solution you would have to eliminate 1 of these. From war, will breaking would be enough. How can that be done without eliminating the entire population from that land. Of course forced relocation and concentration camps would be a solution to some. U tried that already... and the Arab states will not accept more refugees. And if they did, the problem would still remain... population (relocated) and their will to go back to their homeland. Simply put... military solution would not serve anything less than total anihilation of one part. I dont think Jews would want to have that in their curriculum... since u did suffer one trial of this sort and the world sympathized... and let u have Israel. Well i aint going to point fingers, u can read your history... and see whos to blame... which doesnt solve anything now. Now another point of view (if you are still not convinced)... why does the problem still remain. You have a developed modern urban society in one and a underdeveloped overcrowded in another. These have overextended families to the typical urban family. Cannon fodder... yes. Their weapon is not arms... its ppl and their will. Suicide attacks make this clear if u have any doubts. And too many youngsters unemployed and with no expectations are easily converted to whichever purpose thier elders can motivate them. So then u have an economic, political and cultural origin of the issue. Too complex to resolve by only one option - the political (and war, military option is an instrument of only one dimension - Politics). Its easy to understand to resolve this if u have these in mind. If you dont have these in mind you have a distorted idea of what is going on. Well if u dont understand this u dont understand the nature of violence... and have never been in the middle of it. Being such, its easy to underestimate, to call in so quick a military solution to this issue. Or then your letting emotion do the thinking for you. You would only resolve one part of the problem... thats why peace did not (will not) work. The problem is not War or conflict... its peace and how u go about it. Its always it (Peace) that has been neglected because of one-sided solutions... and thats why it always fails and will fail if shedded upon this point of view. I suggest u all have a moment of pause and reflect these seriously before u reach any conclusion. To the rest that do not agree u just have to experience it to see the truth of this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 28, 2002 Noooooooo why did they kill him? They should of put him in a zoo so people could come and poke him with 3 week old bananas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (TheOmega @ Feb. 28 2002,12:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Avon... fortunately u are wrong. Modern day conflicts are not resolved by military solution alone.<span id='postcolor'> I meant for the present situation. I did not mean that this is a permanent solution. Don't have time to respond in detail to the rest of your post right now. Later ............ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damage Inc 0 Posted February 28, 2002 I say Bin Laden might be dead but he might as well not be dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hilandor 1 Posted February 28, 2002 Bin laden isnt dead hes sitting in iraq with saddam having a cup of tea and a jammy dodger talking and planning his next move Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted February 28, 2002 Tea with salt and camelmilk, bah!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damage Inc 0 Posted February 28, 2002 Bin Laden is cloning himself in the secret Iraqi (sp ) cloning chambers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Damage Inc @ Feb. 28 2002,14:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Iraqi (sp )<span id='postcolor'> Shaddap! For once you got it right! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted February 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hilandor @ Feb. 28 2002,11:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bin laden  isnt dead  hes sitting in iraq with saddam having a cup of tea and a jammy dodger  talking and planning his next move<span id='postcolor'> Have you seen that? Hilandor spa..., ahh..., made a joke Moderators are humans, too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FallenPaladin @ Feb. 28 2002,14:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Moderators are humans, too  <span id='postcolor'> So is Saddam. Doesn't raise my opinion of them much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damage Inc 0 Posted February 28, 2002 Hmmm I wouldn't say that moderators are humans, at the most human-like Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted February 28, 2002 *waving finger* Avon, Avon, don`t be sooooo mean!!! *to the others* See, they are spamming in my serious bin Laden topic!!! *ends up crying* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damage Inc 0 Posted February 28, 2002 You're spamming as well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted February 28, 2002 Me? Never! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 28, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Damage Inc @ Feb. 28 2002,14:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You're spamming as well <span id='postcolor'> Possibly but not necessarily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damage Inc 0 Posted February 28, 2002 That's spam I have to say this: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallenPaladin 0 Posted February 28, 2002 Aaaaargh!!!!! Now they`ll close this topic! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Seriously: The problem is that both sides could use bin Laden dead or alive for their propaganda. The USA could say if he is dead, see, we brought down evil. But if he is still alive that would also be a better reason to continue their war against terrorism all over the world. The El Kaida had a martyrian when he was dead. If it`s told that he is alive it`s good too, because nearly the whole world fears him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites