Iraqi National Police

[wld427 1705]

Ah ok...that answers my question.  Thanks!   Another idea is to give these boys some technicals with Iraqi police markings.  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

You mean some cars or armoured vehicles ? Maybe I can do some reskins (I have one almost ready, but it still need some things..) , because I am not very good at modelling...

wld427: so the IA is not using RPGs now ?

at least the ones in our sector are not supposed to

[wld427 1705]

Ah ok...that answers my question.  Thanks!   Another idea is to give these boys some technicals with Iraqi police markings.  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

You mean some cars or armoured vehicles ? Maybe I can do some reskins (I have one almost ready, but it still need some things..) , because I am not very good at modelling...

wld427: so the IA is not using RPGs now ?

just take a default BMP-2 and paint it desert yellow. then just put an iraqi flag on each side of the turret.

i will try to get a picture of them tomorrow.

The IA have those, BTR-60s, and French VAB APCs. Thats not counting the many modified Humvee variants. Then there are many locally modified trucks, IE techincals . If you took the BIS army 4X4 took the .50 off and replaced it with a PKM you would have a spot on Iraqi Police/Army vehicle

At least thats what i have seen in my AO

[miles teg 1]

Oh how wierd...I had know idea they were confiscating RPG's from IA. RPG's nifty door knockers and vehicle stoppers, although perhpas its because their primary purpose is to destroy armored vehicles (which mainly coalition forces operate in Iraq). One thing I don't understand is why the hell the Iraqis don't incorporate slat armor on their BTR-60's, T-55's and other armored vehicles. Seems like a simple common sense way to upgrade protection level against RPG's.

I also didn't know they got some VAB's. Interesting.

At any rate, yeah that is odd that they are giving the IA M16A2's...but I guess the US is just trying to get rid of them (and make money at the same time). Maybe somewhere out there my old LBE harness with "little savage" scrawled on it is being worn by some Iraqi. lol! I wonder though if the Iraqis can be trained to proficiently shoot the M16A2. Its a nice accurate weapon to waste on "spray and pray" tactics... not to mention that its an awfully delicate weapon to be put into the hands of soldiers accustomed to AK's that can work fine without regular cleaning (with the exception of corrosive ammunition).

I suppose if they master marksmanship and disciplined cleaning of the weapon, it'll give them a distinct advantage over insurgents at medium range engagements (assuming the insurgents don't have SVD sniper rifles on them).

But close quarters is another story... I'd hate to use the M16A2 for that. I'd be worried shitless about a jam in close quarters combat. I'd take an AK any day for CQB. Plus the M16A2 is a long rifle so you have to do that bit with raising the buttstock over your shoulder to reduce the length as you look and move around corners...pain in the ass and not the most accurate way to fire a weapon unless ya got your visible laser turned on. But I guess the Marines have gotten used to it with their M16A4's.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[wld427 1705]

Oh how wierd...I had know idea they were confiscating RPG's from IA.  RPG's nifty door knockers and vehicle stoppers, although perhpas its because their primary purpose is to destroy armored vehicles (which mainly coalition forces operate in Iraq).    One thing I don't understand is why the hell the Iraqis don't incorporate slat armor on their BTR-60's, T-55's and other armored vehicles.   Seems like a simple common sense way to upgrade protection level against RPG's.

I also didn't know they got some VAB's.  Interesting.

At any rate, yeah that is odd that they are giving the IA M16A2's...but I guess the US is just trying to get rid of them (and make money at the same time).  Maybe somewhere out there my old LBE harness with "little savage" scrawled on it is being worn by some Iraqi.  lol!   I wonder though if the Iraqis can be trained to proficiently shoot the M16A2.  Its a nice accurate weapon to waste on "spray and pray" tactics... not to mention that its an awfully delicate weapon to be put into the hands of soldiers accustomed to AK's that can work fine without regular cleaning (with the exception of corrosive ammunition).

I suppose if they master marksmanship and disciplined cleaning of the weapon, it'll give them a distinct advantage over insurgents at medium range engagements (assuming the insurgents don't have SVD sniper rifles on them).

But close quarters is another story...  I'd hate to use the M16A2 for that.  I'd be worried shitless about a jam in close quarters combat.  I'd take an AK any day for CQB.  Plus the M16A2 is a long rifle so you have to do that bit with raising the buttstock over your shoulder to reduce the length as you look and move around corners...pain in the ass and not the most accurate way to fire a weapon unless ya got your visible laser turned on.  But I guess the Marines have gotten used to it with their M16A4's.  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

i have not seen any of the t-55s personally but i do know they have them along with several T-72s. These are mostly static at TCPs and rarely come in. Next time i see them i will snag some pictures. In 03 i saw a few BMPs with slat armor but that was at the end of my tour in Mosul and i am not sure what nation they are serving with in the multinational division.(I was on my way home...Beer and Poontang was on the mind).

You raise a good question about the BTR 60s with slat armor. Seems it would be easy to adapt some of the plates from a Stryker to it. It really doesnt matter as they are supposed to be replaced with M113s supplied by us that have the "armadillo" Kit. Wich is a combination of slat armour and bolt on "chobham" (i think is the propper term) plates.

M-16s.....marksmanship.....whats marksmanship......

I want to throw in a big thank you to the creators of this MOD. It shows how well this game can be rebuilt and changed to really support anyones dreams. yeah i know Arma has its faults but..... These units are spectacular and will take us in a new direction for mission making. Thank you for your attention to realism and willingly accepting feedback from the players of your MOD. By doing so it has set you above alot of others.... i look forward to any future releases or updates

[miles teg 1]

hhehehe.....

Cool.  Thanks for you feedback from Iraq.  M113 Armadillos are good kit for sure.   Still I think the Russian equipment gives better "bang for you buck" if properly modified with slat armor and ERA.   I think the US is missing a golden opportunity to improve relations with Russia (or maybe other Eatern European countries that license Russian equipment).  

A good BMP-2 with Slat armor and maybe a bit of ERA gives a vastly superior amount of firepower for around the same price range.   For wheeled armor (doesn't rip up roads) the BTR-60 (or newer BTR-80's) would give similar performance as a Stryker (protection wise) if equipped with slat armor and maybe some slight passive armor upgrading but at a small fraction of the price (due to lack of bells and whistles).  

I thnk that military contractors understimate the effectiveness of Russian gear in the right hands and with the right upgrades.  Its good, reliable, and inexpensive kit that is just plain cost-effective (and that is already in some better maintained Iraqi Army stockpiles).  There are also some damn good South African made wheeled APC's that just rock and would be a god-send to Iraqi forces.

Likewise, if you properly upgrade a T-55 with slat armor and/or ERA, you get a kick ass RPG resistant MBT that is far more capable of taking punishment then any light APC with slat armor.     The T-55 is a damn solid tank design.  Modern it is not.  But if upgraded it take a serious beating.   That is one reason why it is the basis of the Israeli Achzarit heavy APC (which can take massive punishment from RPG-7V's) and the newer Russian BTR-T heavy APC's which have been combat proven in Chechnya.  

The fucking corrupt Washington politicians and defense industry lobbiests need to get the fuck out of Iraqi politics and let them do what make ssense financially and tactically so as to better improve the security situation in Iraq so America and our friends can get the hell out of there but leaving a strong government and capable military to take care of business.

At any rate.  I hope that this Iraqi addon pack will be the beginning of many great Iraqi addon projects.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Wardude1987 0]

What is the difference between the Iraqi National Police and the Iraqi Police Service? I assume the INP are paramilitary constabulary/gendarmerie type police while the IPS are civilian police?

I know one wheres old US Army style chocolate chip pattern desert uniforms while the other wears light blue shirts with dark blue pants and ballistic vests.

[manzilla 1]

What is the difference between the Iraqi National Police and the Iraqi Police Service? I assume the INP are paramilitary constabulary/gendarmerie type police while the IPS are civilian police?

I know one wheres old US Army style chocolate chip pattern desert uniforms while the other wears light blue shirts with dark blue pants and ballistic vests.

That's about right..

IPS basically is the branch of the IP that deals with the day to day civilian policing matters.

INP is kind of like the Iraqi Ministry of Interior's "liason" to the International Coalition forces. By that I mean, it allows the MOI to directly participate in "Coalition" matters without going through the Iraqi Army first. So the IP can go after insurgents, AIQ, etc. with or without any military permission.

Hopefully that doesn't sound too confusing. I was, for a few seconds, while typing.