Operation Northwood

[Spokesperson 0]

False flag operations including terrorism against Cuba:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

One may wonder what kind of people the US has in its department of defence. Sure, this was 40 years ago but the basic principles are still very important. The Iraq war was based on lies and almost all other wars too.

If there were people who were willing to commit terrorist acts against the US inside the US government, what says there can't be now? What has changed?

The events of tonkin bay were similar. And what about 11 sept? Who gained from it?

After all the US is the only country apart from nazi-germany that has been found guilty of terrorism by the international court

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua_v._United_States

The US is protecting and hiding terrorists (Louis Posada Carrilles for instance):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_terrorism

That's a bit like with Afghanistan. Makes it right to invade the US?

[Second 0]

It's superpower, it can do pretty much anything it likes until it goes down. Maybe China, Russia, EU will take it's place as new superpower in some distant future. But until then this is what we have (and it wont change much when new superpower emerges)... But atleast i can be clad that Soviet Union went down. Happier that superpower is living across sea than superpower living next to me (from my nationalistic point of view. I think citizens of Cuba disagrees and they have right to it)

I don't doupt a bit that US goverment can do such things (well i don't think that this 11/9-mess is coup). That is way powerful countries act, it's like law of nature. And smaller ones are there to suffer.

[billybob2002 0]

Thanks for another lets bash the United States thread.

Let me say one thing before I forget about this thread: The United States isn't protecting and hiding Louis Posada Carrilles. In fact, the United States government tried to deport him last year; however, those pesky independent courts ruled in his favor.

[Spokesperson 0]

Politics means picking sides. I don't see why we shouldn't be talking about US crimes when we are talking about crimes of nazi-germany and other countries like Iraq and Afghanistan (but not Saudi Arabia, Thailand or Indonesia because they are good trade partners. Less trade less money and less jobs).

Do you really think the courts are independent and impartial? "Which" government decides the laws in the US? People held in Guantanamo dont even get charged in front of a court. Their human rights are stripped, just like in all other US torture camps throughout the world.

At the same time local US populace gets contented by talk about something called democercy and freedom. All believe in it even if the facts point in a different direction. It's a religion based on compulsory mainstream thinking.

You should stop defending the country you live in because you were born in it. The second to last french ww1 fighter said this about patriotism: "a way of making people swallow anything".

[Sc@tterbrain 0]

Your inane dribble is a bore. This is just more of the same. Bring me something to read that doesn't use Wikipedia for reference.

[Spokesperson 0]

Yeah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods#Further_reading

Further Reading.

References.

But that's not what you flag wavers are interested in.

And if you had read that, you would know that Operation Northwoods has been declassified. So hopefully city hall can help you get it. But you maybe want to hear it from a god from a widely distributed fairy tale first.

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No it's just that wikipedia is unreliable.

[raynor 0]

I am pretty sure you can take any country out there find a corrupt official that has slandered the country in their name.

America isn't perfect but neither are you : ).

[Spokesperson 0]

Corrupt officials? You are very naïve. Is it corrupt to maximize profits? Is it corrupt to wage wars against countries that don't obey you? It's the whole essence of capitalism and imperialism.

It's how your system works, your laws, everything. It isn't corrupt, it just represents certain interests.

It has nothing to do with "perfection".

[Sc@tterbrain 0]

Yeah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods#Further_reading

Further Reading.

References.

But that's not what you flag wavers are interested in.

And if you had read that, you would know that Operation Northwoods has been declassified. So hopefully city hall can help you get it. But you maybe want to hear it from a god from a widely distributed fairy tale first.

Exactly my point.  If there were no nation built on a belief in god and non-socialistic corruption...there would be NO wikipeida, no publication of government embarrasement, no check on power.

Or we could have it your way, rule by the elite.  

For the masses, to rule the masses.

Socialism forgets one certainty.  It may inevitable that socialism will take hold as uneducated masses follow corrupt, elitist, demagogs...but their power wil be even more short-lived and ripe with offense then the prior regime they vow to bring to justice.

That will lead to the power of aristocracy or once again the power of the people.  Not the "people" in the form of the elite.

If you disagree with that then you must admit that you believe people are just to dumb to rule themselves.  

And then you will be shown for the fraud you are.

Again you bore me.

[Placebo 29]

I believe there's a US politics thread, anything that's for tedious, argumentative "debate" involving the USA belongs in there