:Sahrani Military numbers

[ShooterSix 0]

Hey guys,

I know Sahrani is ficticious, but is it stated anywhere in the campaign mode of North and South's Sahrani military numbers and capability?

During the campaign missions I've played, I don't see much actual heat coming down from the communist republic that would actually pose a real threat.

But I also like to think and theorize (sp?) about what they actually do have in their arsenal if this was real...

Democratic republic of Sahrani:

Armor: Under 100 tanks and armored vechicles

Airforce: Maybe less than a dozen Mii helicopters, possibly old Migs from the 70s?

Support: under fifty 122mm cannon

Manpower: say 5,000 grunts and around 75 special forces operators?

Kingdom of South Sahrani:

I have no idea to where even begin.

What's your thoughts and estimations?

[4 IN 1 0]

Hey guys,

I know Sahrani is ficticious, but is it stated anywhere in the campaign mode of North and South's Sahrani military numbers and capability?

During the campaign missions I've played, I don't see much actual heat coming down from the communist republic that would actually pose a real threat.

But I also like to think and theorize (sp?) about what they actually do have in their arsenal if this was real...

Democratic republic of Sahrani:

Armor: Under 100 tanks and armored vechicles

Airforce: Maybe less than a dozen Mii helicopters, possibly old Migs from the 70s?

Support: under fifty 122mm cannon

Manpower: say 5,000 grunts and around 75 special forces operators?

Kingdom of South Sahrani:

I have no idea to where even begin.

What's your thoughts and estimations?

ROS has about a dozen of MI chopper and 2 maybe 3 SU34 i think

as for the KOSS? all by guessing

possible number is around 2000 "normal" grunts and around 100 "elite guards"

under 50 armored vechicles, tracked and wheel, without MBTs

around a dozen of light support helicopters

[Second 0]

Quote[/b] ]

possible number is around 2000 "normal" grunts and around 100 "elite guards"

I doupt highly... By my understanding kingdom's army seems guite a new army (they don't seem to have military-traditions by Porters blog. As US trains basic stuff like parades to them) and society seems to be in edge national-crisis aka rebellion (those executions of civilians and by my understanding either US or RAC troops also provocates SLA to attack). And if they have professional army + possible rebellion so then they have very bad combination for getting volunteers... I think that Kingdom is also smaller in population, but then again they have bigger cities than north... So i don't know.

So soldier-amout is most likely much lower (1000-1500 and 100 guards?) if comparing to SLA's 5000 men. But if also RAC uses constripts as a base of their army then amount of men is most likely higher... But with possible rebellion, how many of them ends up to fighting in SLA's ranks or to camps in north? RAC seems to mostly take care of defending nothers pass from Corazol to Paraiso. And that doesn't require lots of troop.

And we are leaving supply out of these amounts, are we? Supply might raise total amount of men about 5-10 bigger. SLA would need lots more supply than RAC, because thay have mechaniced units and relatively wide array of equipment. RAC has only couple of choppers and 4X4s and M113s.

offtopic:

About that provocation so that i wouldn't need (and i won't) to explain this later: Lots of US equipment are left to kingdom and part of US-forces should already be back in the US when SLA attacks. Some of those same guys died in Gorazol at same day as SLA attacked south... There are two possibilities: Provocation or cheating nothern Sahrani, by pretending to ship some guys to US, to attack.

[max power 21]

Try here: http://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ArmA:_Military_Forces

[4 IN 1 0]

Quote[/b] ]offtopic:

About that provocation so that i wouldn't need (and i won't) to explain this later: Lots of US equipment are left to kingdom and part of US-forces should already be back in the US when SLA attacks. Some of those same guys died in Gorazol at same day as SLA attacked south... There are two possibilities: Provocation or cheating nothern Sahrani, by pretending to ship some guys to US, to attack.

god you do know how to creat chaos theory!  

[Second 0]

Try here: http://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ArmA:_Military_Forces

Unfortunately that doesn't give any figures about manstrength and equipment list isn't guite logical...

Quote[/b] ]# 2. Mech Bataillon / 2.MechB

* 6 MBT T-72

* 6 APC BMP-2

* 4 AA-Tank, ZSU

* 2 ATC BRDM ATGM

If this is whole list of mech batallion's equipment, then it's severly understrenght... There's only about 2 platoons of BMPs and two platoons of MBTs, which means about Reinforced company with AT-section and SPAA-battery. I assume that SLA has three squads in platoon, three platoons in company and so on...

Same applys to marine charts, when counting strenght. (-) 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines (3/1) in that list has only half batallion or third of batallion strenght, i assume? Or is that '(-)' understrenght mark?

RACS has only batallion which infact is only company in size, about 100 men = Fighting units have only 60-70 men... which is less than in company usually.

Ofcourse is all those figures would be X3 then amount would be about what chart says (batallion is batallion in strength and not just company)

@4 IN 1: That is pretty much only way how i can understand whole picture. Too much hints is dropped to leave it ignored, just like those men in black who follow me from dawn to dusk and watch...

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

Yeah, I always giggle when seeing those TO&Es. The MEU stuff is just absurd, and like the guy said, everything is way understrength. Even signal companies have more vehicles than those battalions do.

[jakerod 254]

In my little scenario it is as follows:

South Kindgom

2x Mechanized Infantry Platoons

-4x M113s (each)

-3x Infantry Squad (each)

-1x Platoon HQ (each)

-2x Recon Teams (each) (1 Landrover per team)

-1x AT Team (each)

-1x AA Team (each)

-1x MG  Team (each)

2x Infantry Platoons

-3x Infantry Squad (each)

-1x Platoon HQ (each)

-2x Recon Teams (each) (1 Landrover per team)

-1x AT Team (each)

-1x AA Team (each)

-1x MG Team (each)

Support

-8x Vulcans

-4x MH-6

-4x AH-6

-2x Spec-Ops Team (one guards the king)

-Random amount of trucks

Northern Republic

3x Companies

-4x T-72 (each)

-3x Mech Infantry Squad (each)

-1x Mech Platoon HQ (each)

-3x Infantry Squad (each)***

-1x Infantry Platoon HQ (each)

-1x Company HQ (each)

-4x Shilka (each)

-2x AA Team (each)

-1x AT Team (each)

-2x Recon Team (each)

-1x MG Team (each)

-1x Spec-Op Team (each)

***1 Infantry Platoon on the island is an Air Assault Platoon

Support

-12x Mi-17

-Random amount of trucks

NATO

1x Stryker Company

4x UH-60

2x MH-6

2x AH-6

1x Spec-Op Team

[max power 21]

Try here: http://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ArmA:_Military_Forces

Unfortunately that doesn't give any figures about manstrength and equipment list isn't guite logical...

What else isn't quite logical in this game, Second?

[Second 0]

Try here: http://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ArmA:_Military_Forces

Unfortunately that doesn't give any figures about manstrength and equipment list isn't guite logical...

What else isn't quite logical in this game, Second?

That is true. I was just wondering those vehicle quantities. As those vehicle lists are more representing sub-units like company in batallion or platoon in company.

Then again when thinking forexample amount of vehicles SLA has in campaign... Where they stored all those vehicles or trained with them? Only open plain is that farmland in route between Gorazol and capitol... rest of the terrain is just mountains or valleys (logic went out of a window)

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

Try here: http://community.bistudio.com/wiki/ArmA:_Military_Forces

Unfortunately that doesn't give any figures about manstrength and equipment list isn't guite logical...

What else isn't quite logical in this game, Second?

That is true. I was just wondering those vehicle quantities. As those vehicle lists are more representing sub-units like company in batallion or platoon in company.

Then again when thinking forexample amount of vehicles SLA has in campaign... Where they stored all those vehicles or trained with them? Only open plain is that farmland in route between Gorazol and capitol... rest of the terrain is just mountains or valleys (logic went out of a window)

I always thought of S.Sahrani as their training area. There's plenty of space to teach drivers and crew the basics, then they could use the invasion as a sort of Hardcore FTX or something.

[Second 0]

I was thinking same thing... Basic training on the road to S. Sahrani, advanced training during advance to Paraiso and final training and skill-tests when pulling back to N. Sahrani. After that troops have complited their training and are ready to fight... Those few who are left

[Donnervogel 0]

As US trains basic stuff like parades to them) ...

Hey. Proper parading is a lot harder than any combat drill I can imagine... oh the nights we spent in the cold parading until the Platoon Commander was satisfied... bad bad memories...

... try to get 30 people walk in perfect formation and totally "in sync".... that's nearly impossible And they want it to be perfect at the inspection.

Quite off topic anyway Just don't underestimate this. We do do it each time we have repetition courses and we did it all the time during initial training. It's simply a disciplinary "tool" to remind the soldiers that they're the bitches of the officers. It's maybe basic but it is pretty hard and it's something they never stop "teaching" you.

[Second 0]

More Offtopic:

Yeah! I as a NCO was one with priviledge of restoring disipline, which is the best part in parading

"Company! ... Incoming!" How to get cover from mortarfire and artilleryfire in middle of paradetraining on asphaltfield. (well it's mix of parade- and combattraining)

@Jakerod:

That is nice chart, i could start to use it as a base of SLA's mechaniced forces. But one thing i'd like to ask:

Quote[/b] ]Northern Republic

3x Companies

-4x T-72 (each)

-3x Mech Infantry Squad (each)

-1x Mech Platoon HQ (each)

-3x Infantry Squad (each)***

-1x Infantry Platoon HQ (each)

-1x Company HQ (each)

Is idea in this that those infantry squads, which i underlined, are moving on foot or by truck and they are not mechaniced? And they belong to mechaniced company by default (minus that one platoon)? I think i start to use it like that as SLA most likely is low of vehicles, which would explain those non-mechaniced platoons. As SU-37 and other high-tech stuff costs lots of money and it's short from somewhere else.

Btw... How about militia- and other (local) light infantry formations in SLA's ranks? Mountains expacely at west are most likely left to local defenceunits with few or none armored vehicles. East parts of NS also, exept that airfield in north-east, which could be seen as vital strategic target. Or has SLA consentrated only to mechaniced forces? RACS... To me RACS feels bit too much to be "right hand of king" and not defender of people. Yes i'm SLA-positive and RACS-negative.

[jakerod 254]

More Offtopic:

Yeah! I as a NCO was one with priviledge of restoring disipline, which is the best part in parading

"Company! ... Incoming!" How to get cover from mortarfire and artilleryfire in middle of paradetraining on asphaltfield.   (well it's mix of parade- and combattraining)

@Jakerod:

That is nice chart, i could start to use it as a base of SLA's mechaniced forces. But one thing i'd like to ask:

Quote[/b] ]Northern Republic

3x Companies

-4x T-72 (each)

-3x Mech Infantry Squad (each)

-1x Mech Platoon HQ (each)

-3x Infantry Squad (each)***

-1x Infantry Platoon HQ (each)

-1x Company HQ (each)

Is idea in this that those infantry squads, which i underlined, are moving on foot or by truck and they are not mechaniced? And they belong to mechaniced company by default (minus that one platoon)? I think i start to use it like that as SLA most likely is low of vehicles, which would explain those non-mechaniced platoons. As SU-37 and other high-tech stuff costs lots of money and it's short from somewhere else.

Btw... How about militia- and other (local) light infantry formations in SLA's ranks? Mountains expacely at west are most likely left to local defenceunits with few or none armored vehicles. East parts of NS also, exept that airfield in north-east, which could be seen as vital strategic target. Or has SLA consentrated only to mechaniced forces? RACS... To me RACS feels bit too much to be "right hand of king" and not defender of people. Yes i'm SLA-positive and RACS-negative.

The way I did it was split apart the companies into different bases since most the bases couldn't hold an entire Company anyway. I sectioned it off as One Company is responsible for the South, one the middle and one the North. The non-mechanized infantry tend to be in the bases by the mountains where as mechanized are closer to fields as well as the tanks.

The one air assault platoon is stationed at the airport in the east. I had to use some civilian buildings as bases though and the docks for troops near the border since for whatever stupid reason the SLA decided not to have a base near the DMZ.

But for the most part the infantry platoons are there for the guys who use trucks and foot to get around. Im going to go ahead and admit that I completely forgot that the SLA had BRDM-2s but I did intentionally leave out the fighters and the Ka-#0s. Although I made add in like 6 KA-#0s later.

#=Whatever number is correct I can never remember their damn number.