Helis and decrease of altitude

[Birkoff 0]

Bug or not I find the way of controling helicopters in OFP bit odd, increasing the helicopter altitude is much faster than decrease altitude.

Their both bit too slow but getting the heli down in altitude can at times be a real slow-we-re-soon-killed-experience.

Ok I assume updraft etc has something to say here (wind moving up) but from real life experiences with "huey's" army helis move way faster down (and up) than in OFP

Could this please be fixed BIS?

Say +20<->30% faster upspeed and same speed down as up?

Btw: I've tested both with keyboard(z down) and joystick, not much of a difference.

Birkoff

[Guest]

Are you stopped (hovering) when you do this up/down test?

[amos m 0]

I noticed this prob.

Also with my joystick the throttle is WAY too sensitive.

I'll be trying to land -

"Slowly.....SLOWLY....That's it....Now we're gonna feel a slight bump....TOO FAST!!!" KaBOOM!!!

Well that chopper's outta comission....Oh..and err...All those dead guys in it.....But d*amn, the chopper!

[RN Malboeuf 12]

loose the joy stick and use the keys it's must better and sharper, I can maintain a perfect hover with no movement when ever I need

as for chooper have you ever flow one?

the speed of the chooper will cause extra lift

how can I put this

when you pull back on the chopper this in the improper way to slow down, these this just do craw to a halt you have be slow about it

as you move forward and your nose lifts you actually spin the chooper blades faster causing lift, and becasue of the degree of the chopper it shoots up

to slow down put your nose down and spin 180 degrees to the left/right and the wind will catch the blades the same way but you'll still level

with more practice you can land from 300 knots to 0 in just under 10 seconds

I can do this at just 50 off the ground, on the desert map heh

with trees you need atleast 150 ft and will take 15 seconds to land comming in at 300 knots

[amos m 0]

I agree. I use the keys all the time. Just tried the stick out and got sick of the prementioned sudden appearance of land beneath me.

But if the bugs could be worked out and control made a little more realistic it could really take off. No punn intended.

[Birkoff 0]

Like I already said, I've tested with both keyboard & joystick.

My point is that a real life helicopter do decrease (or increase) altitude alot faster than in OFP, the way OFP lets helis decrease altitude is faaar too slow. Have inc/dec of altitude at same speed, make it 20-30% faster than increase of altitude with keys is today.

With faster up/down we have much more control of our flying and can bring low level altitude combat to a new level .-) Especially for helis like AH64 etc which can do quick runs along the ground then raise altitude to 150m in snap of a second while launcing hellfires.

[hollywood 0]

Quick mention of the other reason for gaining altitude when slowing...namely that you increase the vertical component of the lift generated by the rotors...

Anyways...I've not noticed the problem with decreasing altitude described...on my system at least, if you keep the down key depressed you can fall like a stone - if you really want to.

[Unl33t 0]

A helicopter doing 300knots is flying extremly fast RN Malboeuf.

[Unl33t 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Birkoff on 11:59 pm on Dec. 21, 2001

Like I already said, I've tested with both keyboard & joystick.

My point is that a real life helicopter do decrease (or increase) altitude alot faster than in OFP, the way OFP lets helis decrease altitude is faaar too slow. Have inc/dec of altitude at same speed, make it 20-30% faster than increase of altitude with keys is today.

With faster up/down we have much more control of our flying and can bring low level altitude combat to a new level .-) Especially for helis like AH64 etc which can do quick runs along the ground then raise altitude to 150m in snap of a second while launcing hellfires.

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150m in a second?

No,

[Guest]

150m/sec=540km/h dang that's fast for a vertical lift.

Also, I prefer the joystick to the keyboard. I just wish I had one of those twisting joysticks...

[BigQEd 0]

Ugh... I am not one to speak about Real Life Chopper flight. (no experience first hand... although I think it would be cool to do)

I do however love to fly Choppers in OFP...

What makes me really upset about OFP choppers is when you get a guy that comes in and he flys the chopper at 500m+... and says "I am not cheating". #### and I can't even tilt upwards enough to even shoot him! Now when he is on my level I smoke him everytime... grrr...

WTF is this and why hasn't it been fixed?

[zovirl 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from BigQEd on 7:08 pm on Dec. 21, 2001

Ugh... I am not one to speak about Real Life Chopper flight. (no experience first hand... although I think it would be cool to do)

I do however love to fly Choppers in OFP...

What makes me really upset about OFP choppers is when you get a guy that comes in and he flys the chopper at 500m+... and says "I am not cheating". #### and I can't even tilt upwards enough to even shoot him! Now when he is on my level I smoke him everytime... grrr...

WTF is this and why hasn't it been fixed?<span id='postcolor'>

They are flying with a joystick & therefore get a better (more realistic) flight model. They aren't cheating...

Go check this thread:

http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin....ic=1333

[BigQEd 0]

Now wait a minute... I knew that would be the first answer someone would give. (it was a loaded question)

This just is not fair. All players wether using joystick, mouse or keyboard should be able to get the same height in game.

[Guest]

I'm confused BigQed: Your complaint is that it's "not fair"? It's already addressed as something that should be looked at as an improvement.

In any case, I suggest getting a joystick (I got a $10 one from Radio Shack), it adds that much more to the game.

[amos m 0]

I got one with the twist. It gets kind of annoying cause it makes it hard to fly straight cause it's so sensitive, no deadzone.

I liked playing with the joystick, but the extremely fast descent kind of ruined it for me. Can't wait till they fix the joystick support.

[heyvern69 22]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 2:39 am on Dec. 22, 2001

I got one with the twist. It gets kind of annoying cause it makes it hard to fly straight cause it's so sensitive, no deadzone.

I liked playing with the joystick, but the extremely fast descent kind of ruined it for me. Can't wait till they fix the joystick support.<span id='postcolor'>

I've complained about the "decrease of altitude" problem with the throttle sensitivity issues many, many, many times, but I've never seen any response from BIS on this issue. I get the feeling they are avoiding throttle issues for some reason.

Landing with a joystick and throttle is VERY hard, due to the sensitivity of the throttle. I'll be descending slowly and then all the sudden, one microscopic movement of the throttle and the helo drops like a 2 ton rock, slamming into the ground and turning the helicopter into scrap metal.

I wish they would fix throttle support. BIS are ya here? Is anybody home? Is this mic turned on? (tap-tap-tap).

[Mr ThunderMakeR 0]

I was messing around today trying to see whats been changed in 1.40 and I noticed a bunch of problems with the joystick...

First off, I agree that the speed for changing altitude is a lil bit slow, when using the keyboard that is. But when I use the joystick, OOOOO BOY!!! U can really get some lift out of it lol. Also, u can get UNLIMITED altitude, I got to over 1500 meters in secs! Im not sure what the maximum is but Im guessing its a bug so u can go as high as the game can count lo.

I still prefer the keyboard though, since when using the joystick I can never stay at one altitude, its either up or down.

Another thing I noticed while playing a chopper mission the other day is that the AI can always fly at a higher altitude than the player, kinda makes chopper v. chopper battles a pain...

Also, for some reason the throttle with jets is all messed up, it wont let me get to full throttle. Its virtually impossible to take off using the joystick since the max speed I can reach is 150. Anyone else having this problem??

[Desloc 0]

Yup, the joystick does offer some nice altitude and quick

Maybe a dead zone for the 'throttle' can be introduced to easily maintain level flight.