Russian vs. American

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Feb. 09 2002,23:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Haven't Holland failed to qualify for the world cup?<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah well, it was a bad day for them...

england only just scraped in

[Damage Inc 0]

Actually England even almost lost to Greece now that's what I call bad. Especially because Finland beat Greece 5-1.

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Damage Inc @ Feb. 09 2002,23:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Actually England even almost lost to Greece now that's what I call bad. Especially because Finland beat Greece 5-1.<span id='postcolor'>

exactly.

i can't actually believe i'm ditching my englishmens pride this sucks

go england! we rool!!! etc..

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Fact is that none, neither russia nor the US won the medal last olympics. It was the Tscheck republic.

Fact is that England (even though 5-1) is in one of the most difficult groups of the whole World-Cup. So all your british pride of having beaten Germany for the first time in Germany means nothing anymore. Now you got to look forward, and there it looks pretty dark.

Fact is, that the dutch deserve to play in the world-cup. It is ashame that we have to accept little nonesense countries from the middle East instead. Just because each continent has a certain potential of countries that max-min need to participate.

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Feb. 10 2002,00:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Fact is that none, neither russia nor the US won the medal last olympics. It was the Tscheck republic.

Fact is that England (even though 5-1) is in one of the most difficult groups of the whole World-Cup. So all your british pride of having beaten Germany for the first time in Germany means nothing anymore. Now you got to look forward, and there it looks pretty dark.

Fact is, that the dutch deserve to play in the world-cup. It is ashame that we have to accept little nonesense countries from the middle East instead. Just because each continent has a certain potential of countries that max-min need to participate.<span id='postcolor'>

I think the dutch team is the best in the world (mainly because my champ manager man utd team has 6 dutch internationals ). the english team doesn't seem very good right, with micheal owen, paul scholes and beckham being the only majorly good, talented players (IMHO).

If the dutch team (i haven't looked at the team they're fielding against england yet) has kluivert and nistelrooy, then i doubt the poor english defense can do much against them, especially if they (dutch) have seedorf and davids in midfield. Maybe england can get a goal or two in since the dutch defense isn't incredibly good now they don't have stam (whose getting done for drugs).

[Placebo 29]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Feb. 09 2002,23:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Fact is, that the dutch deserve to play in the world-cup.<span id='postcolor'>

LOL not something I would expect to read from you No team "deserves" a place in the world cup....

Holland's problem I would guess is the same problem they've had for years, individually they have some extremely talented players, but they don't have that collective spirit thing happening, they always seem to have some kind of discontent in the training camps......

Look at teams who have been successful like the Germany of old or even the more recent France team, they most probably didn't have the the most individually talented players, what they did have was a total team collective combined with a good gameplan that they rigidly stuck to, Brazil are a good example of how having some of the best players in the world doesn't mean all that much if they're not working together.

While England may not have the best players in the world, what they do have is plenty of spirit, plenty of character, the will to win and the will to fight, yes it may not always make for a pretty game of football but whatever gets the job done, as for the World Cup, if all of our players play to the best of their ability I think we'll do ok, the worrying thing is that should Beckham and Owen be injured we would then be in very serious trouble

[el Gringo Loco 1]

To end this debate for once and for all. Take it from me (as I'm dutch). The dutch eleven are the most spoiled and pampered babies ever to walked this earth. They certainly didn't deserve to play on the world-cup as the quality of qualifying matches was far below average. They supposedly have the best players in europe, but is it truly so. Despite nandrolon-affaire isn't really considered good press for dutch soccer.

Nah the dutch don't deserve to play soccer with this team, if you can use to word team, it's more a bunch of individualists.

I say, kick out the big names and make a new team of promising young guys who are still motivated enough and are not substracted by some danish stripper.

[Placebo 29]

I would probably say that the last real Dutch "team" would have been the Gullit, Van Basten, Rikaard era (apologies if I messed up any of the names ) I believe that team of the late 80s early 90s to have been the best Dutch team of modern times.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The dutch eleven are the most spoiled and pampered babies ever to walked this earth.<span id='postcolor'>

I think that applies to most footballers these days, call me old fashioned if you will but it sickens me that players get paid for internationals, they should play in them because it's an honour to represent their country, nothing more, nothing less

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

I think thats a good point, with english team you have people like owen and gerrard, scholes and beckham etc.. all playing on the same club side (in the same premiership) so you could safely say they have good relations and work good as a team, whereas with the dutch you have one striker in the spanish league, one in the eglish premiership, midfielders in spain, france, italy and etc... so its safe to say they aren't really team players like you said.

I still think dutch players are the best though, maybe its because nistelrooy is seemingly single handedly winning man utd the premiership and breaking loads of records. And of course all the best champ manager players are dutch

[Placebo 29]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ruskie @ Feb. 10 2002,15:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I still think dutch players are the best though, maybe its because nistelrooy is seemingly single handedly winning man utd the premiership and breaking loads of records.<span id='postcolor'>

Who sets up the goals for him though?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And of course all the best champ manager players are dutch <span id='postcolor'>

Naaah Alex Aguinaga isn't Dutch, IMO he's the best Å for Å player in CM3

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

in cm 00/01 here are the best players -

striker - Kluivert/palermo

attacking midefielder - Deco/clarence seedorf/totti

normal midfielders - beckham/giggs

defenmsive midfielders - Addo/Zambrotta

defenders - Stam/de boer/cannavaro/faber

thats 6 dutchmen (lamey is good as well but he isn't a dutch international) one english guy, one welsh guy and the rest are all scum portugese/argentinian/italian

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Now dont get too specific...man I probably have seen them playing. But they are not world relevant!

by the way. TO get back to the topic, how is holland in Ice-hockey? did the US play already? Germany played against Slovenia yesterday. And Austria played, forgot against who though

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Hey L24A, there is a question that always kept me thinking.. Since you are dutch I suppose we can easily compare it to German /swiss standards. my question is the following: No doubt all of us once dreamed of becoming a soldier, however there are factors that need to be taken into consideration before taking such a professional choice.

Do you think, or have you ever forcasted how well you be able to finance your living through a career in the military?

I am asking that question because in contrast to some US soldiers most of us Europeans have a very good educational platform (I guess you got something like Abitur, right?), in contrast to many of them we do not choose the military because we dont find anything else. Therefore I am convinced that you could have chose other professions, now what made you so sure about that you will be able to finance your desired Life-quality through a career in your army? Did they promise you a certain career path or...? Or did you just decide: Thats What I wanna do, no matter what it means to me in my civil-life.

(Okay maybe I am just dump and you are only doing your obligatory military service)

[Kasatka 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you think Europeans are bad for Soccer madness, go to Brazil, they kill people on losing teams over there. (well, at least they have)<span id='postcolor'>

* Here we just spank the winners(but only some times and if the winner is "Corinthiano"),,not true now here is much, much better, he have a lot of cops before during and after the match, it's much more safety ..... killing is past here......

BTW my team is Săo Paulo.. o 'Tricolor Paulista'::::

Săo Paulo Stadium

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Brazil rules in the soccer area..... in the army area... well we use FN-FAL, M60A3, M41 and Leopard1... and we soon may bought a Su-35MK Super Flanker.... for our Air Force(FAB)..

It's no more than we need.. since our only enemy are the Colombian Traffican in Amazon Florest... for fight agains this banch of ass rolls we have the Jungle Warriors (BTW they traine the US Special Forces and forces all over the world, to show how to fight in jungle area)......

See you... Kasatka(BR)

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am asking that question because in contrast to some US soldiers most of us Europeans have a very good educational platform (I guess you got something like Abitur, right?), in contrast to many of them we do not choose the military because we dont find anything else. Therefore I am convinced that you could have chose other professions, now what made you so sure about that you will be able to finance your desired Life-quality through a career in your army? Did they promise you a certain career path or...? Or did you just decide: Thats What I wanna do, no matter what it means to me in my civil-life.

<span id='postcolor'>

Did you stop to think that he joined the military because he liked it? The best job for someone is one that they enjoy. I would rather work at a job that I like than work somewhere where I don't that pays more.

I joined and will stay in because the last thing I wan't on this Earth is a desk job. I don't like being cooped up in some office, I like being outside. Besides, the Canadian Forces pays good money. My only other option is becoming a Police Officer, its good money here too. The military/police/civil service is about the only thing in my life that has influenced me.

It all depends on how I do in school, I've done pretty well so far.

Tyler

[multimedia 0]

About football fanatics..

A while back we had a tv-show called Far Out. Show had competitors travelling around the world and to keep it that way they had to pull out every stupid stunt they came up with.

This one guy, travelling in UK and being in Liverpool at the time, asked Liverpool FC supporters which team do they hate the most (ManU) and who's the player in there they hate the most (Beckham).

Finding that out he went to a store, bought a ManU-shirt that had Beckhams name in the back. Wearing that he went to Liverpool supporters pub....

Being "wise enough" he left the pub pretty shortly before he would have (been killed ? don't know - you tell me what'd they have done ?)

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Assault, you interpreted too much into my question. If you read between the lines: "the army poorly pays anything", then this is not what I meant. But I mean there must be something like adequate career planning. Noone goes into a profession saying: "wait and see what comes", or "I dont like working in an office" (which you also have to do as a soldier).

[el Gringo Loco 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey L24A, there is a question that always kept me thinking.. Since you are dutch I suppose we can easily compare it to German /swiss standards. my question is the following: No doubt all of us once dreamed of becoming a soldier, however there are factors that need to be taken into consideration before taking such a professional choice.

Do you think, or have you ever forcasted how well you be able to finance your living through a career in the military?

I am asking that question because in contrast to some US soldiers most of us Europeans have a very good educational platform (I guess you got something like Abitur, right?), in contrast to many of them we do not choose the military because we dont find anything else. Therefore I am convinced that you could have chose other professions, now what made you so sure about that you will be able to finance your desired Life-quality through a career in your army? Did they promise you a certain career path or...? Or did you just decide: Thats What I wanna do, no matter what it means to me in my civil-life.

(Okay maybe I am just dump and you are only doing your obligatory military service)<span id='postcolor'>

I'm a chemical engineer. Rest assure that my parents didn't pay for my education to see me throw it all away in the military.

After I left university I still had to do obligatory service. But I had enough of studying and wanted to do something exciting now. So I signed for an initial voluntary period of 4 years with the dutch army. The pay was much better and volunteers got a choice in what unit they wanted to be placed.

They've asked me if I was interested in becoming an officer. which meant 4 years of military academy. But I made them clear that I didn't want a career in the army.

Basically the pay wasn't too bad. Standard salary for me in the rank of corporal was something like 1270 euro clean, but it was often augmented by exercise pay which in all was quite nice.

When I was under the UN-flag abroad I got something like 2500 euro clean a month.

I have no kids and was (still am btw) living with my girlfriend who also has a job as a virologist. So money was not really the problem. After the initial 4 years I signed for another 4, but I had to promise my girlfriend that after that I had to find me a proper job. So now I'm working as a chemical project engineer with a big belgian glass factory. But I missed the army a littlebit so I'm a Sergeant in the national-reserve army for two years now (the only pay you expenses). Twice a month we train in shooting and field work, that way I can still play around a little without my girlfriend minding me doing so.

I guess I still have a long way to mental adultness.

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (multimedia @ Feb. 11 2002,09:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">About football fanatics..

A while back we had a tv-show called Far Out.  Show had competitors travelling around the world and to keep it that way they had to pull out every stupid stunt they came up with.

This one guy, travelling in UK and being in Liverpool at the time, asked Liverpool FC supporters which team do they hate the most (ManU) and who's the player in there they hate the most (Beckham).

Finding that out he went to a store, bought a ManU-shirt that had Beckhams name in the back.  Wearing that he went to Liverpool supporters pub....

Being "wise enough" he left the pub pretty shortly before he would have (been killed ?  don't know - you tell me what'd they have done ?)<span id='postcolor'>

I started supporting man united way back in 1992. I didn't even like football back then but everyone did so i just picked a club to like and supported them.

Now that man united are more or less the best english team, everyone hates them, and they also hate them because apparently 99% of their fans don't come from manchester. In school theres only 2 more man united supporters, both come from manchester (and are brothers), then theres me who doesn't Everyone else supports chelsea and a few support arsenal. In addition to supporting them they support about 5 other teams (i remember one guy saying ''I support liverpool, but my dads from west ham so i support them as well, and my mums from chelsea so i support them as well, and one of my brothers comes from arsenal so i support them as well''

anyway, as far as i'm concerned, most people who support the other good premiership teams are the same as the glory hunting man u supporters, so the only reason everyone hates man united is cos they are the best

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Assault, you interpreted too much into my question. If you read between the lines: "the army poorly pays anything", then this is not what I meant. But I mean there must be something like adequate career planning. Noone goes into a profession saying: "wait and see what comes", or "I dont like working in an office" (which you also have to do as a soldier).<span id='postcolor'>

I hope you didn't think of me the wrong way about my post, I wasn't trying to be a dick, did I come on that way? If I did, sorry.

Anyways, I have always planned to go to university. I just dont know what for, I am aiming for criminology or political science. The Canadian military is pretty flexible, you can change trades if you don't like what your doing. I can always be a technician or an MP in the Army and have good carrer experience when I get out. The army can offer alot, you just have to know what to do with it.

I might even stay in for life, it all depends on if I like what I'm doing, or if I feel the military is restricting me in some way.

Here in the Canadian Military, you don't have to go to an officer acadamy for 4 years just to become an officer. If you have more than 2 years in University, you can take a summer course and come back a 2nd Lt.

BTW Albert, if you are in the Infantry, you don't have to work at a desk until you become a Sgt. or Warrant Officer.

If I ran off and joined the Reg infantry now, I would be making $30,000 (Can) a year, after I reach Corporal, it goes to about $40,000 a year. Thats only after about 4 years in. Not bad cash, that figure does not include other beneftits, like field pay and such.

Tyler

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

[Charlie_McSheenie 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Feb. 11 2002,23:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Assault, you interpreted too much into my question. If you read between the lines: "the army poorly pays anything", then this is not what I meant. But I mean there must be something like adequate career planning. Noone goes into a profession saying: "wait and see what comes", or "I dont like working in an office" (which you also have to do as a soldier).<span id='postcolor'>

I hope you didn't think of me the wrong way about my post, I wasn't trying to be a dick, did I come on that way? If I did, sorry.

Anyways, I have always planned to go to university. I just dont know what for, I am aiming for criminology or political science. The Canadian military is pretty flexible, you can change trades if you don't like what your doing. I can always be a technician or an MP in the Army and have good carrer experience when I get out. The army can offer alot, you just have to know what to do with it.

I might even stay in for life, it all depends on if I like what I'm doing, or if I feel the military is restricting me in some way.

Here in the Canadian Military, you don't have to go to an officer acadamy for 4 years just to become an officer. If you have more than 2 years in University, you can take a summer course and come back a 2nd Lt.

BTW Albert, if you are in the Infantry, you don't have to work at a desk until you become a Sgt. or Warrant Officer.

If I ran off and joined the Reg infantry now, I would be making $30,000 (Can) a year, after I reach Corporal, it goes to about $40,000 a year. Thats only after about 4 years in. Not bad cash, that figure does not include other beneftits, like field pay and such.

Tyler<span id='postcolor'>

As far as i see it (i'm gonna join the RAF/army as an officer ) i get about 20,000 grand a year, a free degree in whatever i want, a place to live, a meal everyday and all that, then i do 4 years (with the possibility of more pay after i've done training and degree) and retire to a new job (a well paid one with all my A-levels and degree).

Pay is a bit dodgy though because my dad is on about 40,000 a year but he gets paid at least an extra 7 grand for some reason (so he tells me)

[RedRogue 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am asking that question because in contrast to some US soldiers most of us Europeans have a very good educational platform (I guess you got something like Abitur, right?), in contrast to many of them we do not choose the military because we dont find anything else.<span id='postcolor'>

Was it necessary to name a nationality where "some other western soilders" would have sufficed? Especially in a place where a mouse fart can spark an Anti-US crap debate in an instant.