FOR BIS (We know you will read this thread)

[Teox 0]

As you know, many of yours customers notified 1.05 have a HARD troubles with post process or other important graphic issues.

Well... I'm asked myeself WHY you want go on without report us an official note with the simple truth, instead making to seem all normal when is not.

FIX your damn errors, beacuse I haven't found my money under a three.

I'm not a "low hardware" limited..., you can see my config in many others 3d previosly posted in this forum.

Like you, that obviosly make all to protect your game to avoid piracy beacause you working for money and not for fun, I had spold my money to have a game, not to be your free beta tester.

With regards, an your tired customer.

[sickboy 13]

I think BIS has shown already that they are very willing to fix/improve/add ... Make sure your bug is known in the BUG Tracking System and keep an eye on it to see if you receive a response, if the bug is accepted, if it's already fixed and if so... in which Build etc. etc.

PS... You did try the EAX trick already right? (Turning off EAX, saved some ppl 10-25fps in some cases!. Which isn't really a gamebug of coarse, but more the price to pay for wanting EAX effects without a Sound Processor (like Audigy/XFX etc)

[Element Order 0]

the things we go through eh?

it is frustrating to have so many issues but..

Look at it this way, you will know your PC hardware and drivers inside out by the time you get it stable.its good for the old brain y'know.

[Chris Death 0]

May i ask who do you mean with 'WE' when saying

we know that ... will read this?

Are you speaking for me or are you of multiple personality?

Anyways - Suma once said that sentences like your

'we know you will read this' makes them sure this post

not to read or at least when everything else is done.

Come on - you didn't post a specific problem in here you

just stated a general complaint and there's already a thread

for this present.

Most funniest thing is that in most of the case ppl who are

acting like you later realize that the fault has come from

somewhere inside their system - may be bad setup or hardware or whatever. The apologies of ppl like that seem

often then not to come in same intensive way like the

accusation or they are even completely missing the place.

I don't want say that every bug is caused by users themselves but those getting reported are going to be fixed

too - those just being screamed about but never pointed

out clearly will never get fixed.

~S~ CD

[Pierre From Belgium 0]

As you know, many of yours customers notified 1.05 have a HARD troubles with post process or other important graphic issues.

Well... I'm asked myeself WHY you want go on without report us an official note with the simple truth, instead making to seem all normal when is not.

FIX your damn errors, beacuse I haven't found my money under a three.

I'm not a "low hardware" limited..., you can see my config in many others 3d previosly posted in this forum.

Like you, that obviosly make all to protect your game to avoid piracy beacause you working for money and not for fun, I had spold my money to have a game, not to be your free beta tester.

With regards, an your tired customer.

I completely agree with you!!!

BIS should at least give us an official declaration about these horrible graphic bugs !

+ 1 for Teox

[Teox 0]

@Chris Death

ohh God... where do u read before ?

Have you read that 75% of the 3d in this forum bring back problems with the game?(for your information this forum was opened for this reason, and not to tell BIS how many they are skilled) Saying "WE" I mean we that we have paid for having problems. Yes... all togheter with BIS, and if we reach 15 fps with High profile pc,  we dont worry , we adore to give moneies, but I think different... I've payd dude than RESPECT you know ?

I'm tired to post  my configuration, If BIS had answered to me before, I would not be to write this.

Less irony more facts !

And tnx for the reply.

EDIT: now my config was reported in my signature, and like you can view, not cpu or VGA are bad or ram, are bad.

I wan't say that this game must run to me at 110 fps, but at least nearly 50 in very hight and not less.

[whisper 0]

"Look at me, I am important, thus devs MUST reply. They are at my orders. Moreover when I use BIG LETTERS and big words, ofc".

Bug tracker ID? There you may get a dev answer.

Btw, perhaps they have designed the engine parameters to fit with hardware not yet available. "I want Very High running 50FPS or this game is poo" means zero. If I were BI, looking at the number of complaint about "I can't use Very High settings", I would simply.... get rid of "Very High" and be gone with it.

You are seeking visual quality, not clicking onthe highest parameter possible in a hidden menu. Well, I hope you do.

[Pierre From Belgium 0]

I wan't say that this game must run to me at 110 fps, but at least nearly 50 in very hight and not less.

Personaly, on 1.02 with the german version, I had a fps >75 ! With every graphics on HIGH !!!

Now, it's <50 and I COULD ACCEPT IT !! NO ! For me, the BIGGEST problems are the visual bugs: having a tree with 1 or 2 textures is horrible !! Really horrible !

So the fps deceleration could be normal with the new version but NOT THE GRAPHIC BUGS !!

Cheers.

PS: Sorry BIS for my pooring english

[Teox 0]

Dear whisper... if BIS has designed this game for and HW not yet available, Why they sales the game now ?

BUG ID ? mmmm maybe you haven't read exactly...

(maybe due my orrible english... I'm apologise).

DEVS are not to my dipendence, but if you wan't read this kind of 3d, i suggest you to read ArmA general not ArmA troubleshooting.

DEVS have sales a game, and this game have to run proprierly, not so and so...

Othervise, is better than next time they take a lot of time ( and money) to test tha game better and after accuracy test relase it.

[-OWM- Perikles 0]

As you know, many of yours customers notified 1.05 have a HARD troubles with post process or other important graphic issues.

Well... I'm asked myeself WHY you want go on without report us an official note with the simple truth, instead making to seem all normal when is not.

FIX your damn errors, beacuse I haven't found my money under a three.

I'm not a "low hardware" limited..., you can see my config in many others 3d previosly posted in this forum.

Like you, that obviosly make all to protect your game to avoid piracy beacause you working for money and not for fun, I had spold my money to have a game, not to be your free beta tester.

With regards, an your tired customer.

Yes. As I can see, I am not the only one suffering for 1.05 patch. Before, with 1.02 I was able to play without a single problem with very high settings (and post proc. effects to high). Now, after 1.05 I must go down to normal. I think it's quite irritating to have a good pc and high-end graphic board and getting the game made worse by a patch (a patch should fix the problems, not make new ones..). Please, check what you did with the graphic system (I have a nv 7950gt 512mb, p4 3.67 ghz, 1.5 gb ram, abit aa8 duramax mb)

Regards

[Teox 0]

O God that's incredible.... I'm not alone.... to have matters...

why I have just sayng WE ?

Here's the anwere, and this is not a single or isolated episode.

[whisper 0]

Dear whisper... if BIS has designed this game for and HW not yet available, Why they sales the game now ?

BUG ID ? mmmm maybe you haven't read exactly...

(maybe due my orrible english... I'm apologise).

DEVS are not to my dipendence, but if you wan't read this kind of 3d, i suggest you to read ArmA general not ArmA troubleshooting.

DEVS have sales a game, and this game have to run proprierly, not so and so...

Othervise, is better than next time they take a lot of time ( and money) to test tha game better and after accuracy test relase it.

Primo, what I mean with asking a bugtracker ID is that you should 1st and foremost describe your issues in the Bug Tracker (that have been asked and forced upon BI with much much much outcry on the forums, and now they are available, people refute their use, go figure...)

In the Bug Tracker, you will know :

- if your issue is acknowledged

- if your issue is going to be corrected

- which patch will contain the correction.

In other words, everything you ask for here, while being informative to BI, and not patronizing them. Nor playing the "I'm paying so I have every right" (ie, I'm paying so BI is at my orders).

Secundo, when I talk about desining the game for hardware not existing yet, I'm talking about this "Very High" settings. Guys, what is so ego crushing in using "High" instead of "Very High"? If you take as premise that game is designed to run on current hardware with "High" settings and "Very High" is reserved for "future use", ie future hardware, what is the issue? Provided "High" looks beautiful and you have correct FPS, ofc.

In other words, complaining about having bad perfs in "Very High" is irrelevant. Like I said, the correction is piss easy with such a description : I remove the "Very High" settings, and basta.

I can perfectly see issues described as : "texture are not loading and it makes the game look like Atari area", "my FPS go down when facing bushes", etc... I cannot understand however why people stress so much about putting their parameters to the max. Try having best graphics and good FPS, look the result, if you find something glitchy, then yup, be sure to report here.

So the real question is : can you have a beautfull game running fine, with good FPS and without glitch? If not, what are the issues?

Tertio, it's a "Troubleshooting forum". Not a "Rant and Whines forum". Troubleshooting, AFAIK, is about helping with issues described.

And finally (ouf! :P ), BI not talking about an issue means everything BUT that they do not acknowledge it and think everything is normal. Their support and patch history in the matter proves otherwise up to now. I'm not professing blind fanboyism here, but clear and complete issue reporting.

[Teox 0]

Is not important the exact ID of simil ID of troubles because the music is the same for many of us..

THE GRAPHIC SUX ! take this like a ID.

This is clear enought or the devs need a little scheme ?

Obviosly is very easy to hide ourself behind a couples of id, numers ect etc.....

Take for example the loading time of textures...

I'm aiming a building... now move the aim at right than return at my original position... the textures was slow to recharge, and I see something like a "amorfus" model for a second.

This is not thinkable for a finished game.

Sure, I can read about this in many 3d but not in one I can find a solution to fix it.

Ya, ok.. understood...I've just launched my moneys trought the window...

I hope they need to fix this orrible beta game, and after (only after ) I can considerate to call him Videogame, for a moment is only a videobug.

I loved OFP like I heat to play at 25 fps.

I've only seen words but nothing near a solution.

GG .

With all my respect and king regards.

[Pierre From Belgium 0]

Dear whisper... if BIS has designed this game for and HW not yet available, Why they sales the game now ?

BUG ID ? mmmm maybe you haven't read exactly...

(maybe due my orrible english... I'm apologise).

DEVS are not to my dipendence, but if you wan't read this kind of 3d, i suggest you to read ArmA general not ArmA troubleshooting.

DEVS have sales a game, and this game have to run proprierly, not so and so...

Othervise, is better than next time they take a lot of time ( and money) to test tha game better and after accuracy test relase it.

Primo, what I mean with asking a bugtracker ID is that you should 1st and foremost describe your issues in the Bug Tracker (that have been asked and forced upon BI with much much much outcry on the forums, and now they are available, people refute their use, go figure...)

In the Bug Tracker, you will know :

- if your issue is acknowledged

- if your issue is going to be corrected

- which patch will contain the correction.

In other words, everything you ask for here, while being informative to BI, and not patronizing them. Nor playing the "I'm paying so I have every right" (ie, I'm paying so BI is at my orders).

Secundo, when I talk about desining the game for hardware not existing yet, I'm talking about this "Very High" settings. Guys, what is so ego crushing in using "High" instead of "Very High"? If you take as premise that game is designed to run on current hardware with "High" settings and "Very High" is reserved for "future use", ie future hardware, what is the issue? Provided "High" looks beautiful and you have correct FPS, ofc.

In other words, complaining about having bad perfs in "Very High" is irrelevant. Like I said, the correction is piss easy with such a description : I remove the "Very High" settings, and basta.

I can perfectly see issues described as : "texture are not loading and it makes the game look like Atari area", "my FPS go down when facing bushes", etc... I cannot understand however why people stress so much about putting their parameters to the max. Try having best graphics and good FPS, look the result, if you find something glitchy, then yup, be sure to report here.

So the real question is : can you have a beautfull game running fine, with good FPS and without glitch? If not, what are the issues?

Tertio, it's a "Troubleshooting forum". Not a "Rant and Whines forum". Troubleshooting, AFAIK, is about helping with issues described.

And finally (ouf! :P ), BI not talking about an issue means everything BUT that they do not acknowledge it and think everything is normal. Their support and patch history in the matter proves otherwise up to now. I'm not professing blind fanboyism here, but clear and complete issue reporting.

@ whisper...

I don't know why you are the defender of BIS ?? I mean, personaly, I have a lot of respect to BIS (a great company which made the best video game) but I think they made an unexpected mistake and they don't do anything...

Just an official post would be great for us, like: "Dear gamers, we know this problem and we are working on it..."

I tried to translate your post with google and I think you don't realize what is exactly the problem...* (look at the post 1.4 > 1.5 with e6600 and 8800 gtx)

Regards.

* PS: The problem is exactly the same for everyone !!

[sickboy 13]

.... Same day in day out, this is simply the next thread that can be merged with the other whine threads...

Why Whisper "defends" BIS, is simply because he has a point.

Besides, the official bug reporting tool is the BTS and not this COMMUNITY forum, altough they answer now and then, when they have time and have something they can say about the matters.

So yeah, if you have more of these complaints simply use the other threads to whine, but use the Bug Tracker to report the bug and expect a fix.

Besides Pierre, ur running Windows Vista, and this is not supported by BIS. They might in the future, but they dont atm. I also had weird problems with textures missing and other issues, all got resolved after switching back to XP32 with the 100.87 drivers released on www.guru3d.com   ... BIS Does not have to pay for your own mistake... The box simply says XP/2000 Supported...

Anyway, it runs fine for me and it's a pitty it doesn't for others. Creating the next whine thread aint helping anyone simply because its the same repeated crap everytime, and in the end no solutions.  Use the BTS or post your crap in an existing Whine thread, why would you have to pollute the forum with just another-same thread as there are already?

My Simple Guide to happy ArmA Players:

- Clean XP32 Install (No crap software all over the place, bla bla)

- Latest Videocard Drivers from www.guru3d.com

- Latest Chipset Drivers from www.guru3d.com

- Latest Soundcard Drivers from www.guru3d.com

- Latest DirectX Setup from www.guru3d.com

- Latest Windows Updates and Dual Core Patches from www.windowsupdate.com etc

- After Install, Patches, Drivers etc. etc. defragment harddrive

- Disable Antivirus while playing

- Try disabling EAX, especially with onboard or pre-xfi soundcards (it eats many times 15-25fps!

- Defragment Harddrive

- Make sure you have atleast 15% free space on harddrive

(And if you don't know how to do all this stuff, that's not a problem.... FIND someone who can and KNOWS what he is doing. A computer is NOT a CD-Player for crying out loud, and it's your own responsebility to keep it optimized!

Do not expect ArmA to run on too high settings! Games are usually designed to run on current hardware (of coarse), but the maximum settings are of coarse designed for future hardware (otherwise your game would look and feel very oldish even after 6 months! ... With ArmA this is especially the case.

Besides, putting a GF8800GTX into a pentium 4 1.7ghz is also not making things better...

Putting a 3.4ghz Core2 in a system with a Geforce 6150LE is also not going to give you high fps either!

I admit that BIS can probably optimize many of the stuff still, I will not say that that is not true. All I am saying is that the end-user has his own responsebility of making sure his system is in a proper/top state, without spyware and other crap which makes his system slow...

Cause you have to agree with me that a Company should not pay for a Customers own Bad Configuration or Installation of his Computer Right?

Biggest FPS Killers found till date:

- Crappy Drivers for either chipset, sound or video

- EAX enabled on non-sound-processing-chip soundcard

- Too high Settings/Resolution

- Anti Aliasing

- Post Processing

Biggest Texture Problem Creators found till date:

- Running CPU Intensive task in background while playing ArmA

- Having virus scanner scan the ArmA folder everytime something is accessed

- Having scripts looping in background which are too heavy ( but this is not a case in original arma of coarse)

- Too slow harddrive throughput

"Other Games Run Fine, so it must be ArmA"

Not always true! Every game requires different performance from different parts!

In ArmA, your performance can be very well limited by the performance of your harddrive... while other games do not require fast harddrive access...

The same goes for other parts... Memory bandwidth, GFX Rendering Speed, and then there are even many many different features of a CPU/GPU/SOUND that a developper can choose to use or not use, needs or doesnt need.

If you are having problems (other than real bugs), one of your components could be the cause of the slowdowns...

Wrong Drivers can many times lead to reduced performance of many different computer components.... And always remember, your PC cannot be faster than the slowest component.

Generally speaking, a harddrive is the slowest component of the Computer... Game Developpers and App Developpers know that and as such there are caches used and simply much stuff loaded into Memory... Still if your harddrive is having issues, and can not deliver data fast enough to the cache, you probably already get texture issues...

The slow harddrive performance could be caused by:

- Broken Harddrive

- Fragmentation

- Broken Harddisk Controller

- Unoptimized/problematic Drivers

- Virus or other software which is reading/writing data to the harddrive all the time.

Above are all simply examples of anything that could cause issues, other than GameBugs.

There are many people that have issues, but there are also many that do not!! This simply shows that ArmA CAN run properly, on different systems! That fact alone tells me: There can simply be bugs that come out on certain systems, or it can simply be that there are bad configured pc's out there. (Even the brightest Computer Wizzs can make mistakes or not notice certain things... so much that can influence the performance of a pc...)...

I think the best would be to check bandwidths of memory, cache, harddrive, and check cpu speeds etc. etc.... If people with proper performing systems do this, aswell as people with bad performing systems, then you can put the data next to eachother and maybe figure out what is the cause etc!

[whisper 0]

Bug tracker is here : http://bugs.armed-assault.net/main_page.php

That may help you understanding what people talk about when they talk about bug ID. Or, more probably, this will be too much of a hassle for you and you won't bother to go past the "game suxxorz" stage.

@Pierre : I'm not defending BI here. Re-read my thread. I'm not saying they've done it all fine, nowhere in my post you will find that. Simply because I don't think so.

And, no, when reading this thread, I don't realize the problem, and that's exactly why I write.

"Graphic sux" does not help seeing the issue, writing it in caps doesn't make it more understandable.

Like you did, however, describing the texture issues, is more than a step forward. Texture loading issues, in 1.05 more than 1.02 (or even 1.04 for that matter), yup, I get this too. See here : http://bugs.armed-assault.net/view.php?id=2091 That is 1 problem I see, and for me it's perhaps related to ATI driver memory leak.

[Chris Death 0]

Man i'm getting really tired of that

Whisper is not defending BIS in any case here

he's defending the logical thinking of human being.

What you two (Teox and Pierre [from Belgium]) are doing

here can be compared with going into the djungle and

complaining about no polar bears are there.

You want to hear or know something about bugs from BIS?

Make a proper bug report on the BIKI and then like whisper

already pointed out: you'll see when it has been aknowledged

and when it will be fixed.

Or are you just trying to turn the knife around in the body

and you want know how the hell it can be that this or that

bug could even happen and what everybody is thinking about

future developing strategies at BIS?

That they are fixing reported bugs should be explanation enough and there were even already some words by BIS

members about a release date too early and about a bug

here or there and that it's gonna get fixed.

btw - if the grafix sux to you then there must be:

A) something not ok with your eyes

B) your hardware is bugged

c) your expectations were too much influenced by real life

d) you're talking about another game

e) they don't suck but you just want to complain

f) etc.

The graphics look very good and i've got a GF 7950 GT KO 512mb and never encountered any lod problems or other

graphical glitches which lots of ppl had yet.

As i can see Pierre you got an 8800 and that's a good pointer

to driver related issues since it's the best card in theory atm

but ArmA like many other games don't run like they should

with it. E.g: the vram not being refreshed properly is a problem i could lot of times read in combo with the 8800

and maybe once with another card (not even sure about it).

Now you want BIS to send you apologies for having a top

GPU which probably seems to fail in driver support.

You guys want official statements from companies about

their own product which decides if they stay in business

or not even if it's not clear wether it's them fault or not.

A company will (if lead professional) not declare rumors

or turn assumptions into statements.

So if you don't bug report anything you will not get anything

by your like - no declaration and even more - no bugfix for

your problem.

~S~ CD

[Teox 0]

Great explain... tha same that I can find in about...99% of previous 3d.

When you comprend that the problem is not my settings will be already too late.. or ...

after install 1.05 patch i need other settings ?

Patetic..

We have only to wait, while doing beta test for BIS... great ! nice try !

Next time i try to ask my money back... but I just know the answere " wait we are working for a 1990102090290920.0 patch..."

OMG...

Out of my retail box is not reported that the game "it needs of fix patches for being played " that's truth.

[whisper 0]

Right, so your post in in fact not at all troubleshooting or asking for a fix date, but the average "this game is crap" rant.

OK, go on.

[-OWM- Perikles 0]

.

Seeing some answers, I see that maybe I was not clear, I repeat:

1) with 101 and 102 I had EXCELLENT performance

2) with 105 I have crappy performance

I add that I tried any kind of driver (ngohq, betas, abit), any kind of optimization (defrag, kill services, increase virtual mem, kill themes, suppress eax and so on): nothing to do, i must lower significantly the settings.

Now, if from 102 to 105 there is a SIGNIFICANT performance decrease (and lots of people cant even play after 105), that is not my fault, is bis fault.

Regards

p.s. I will use bug tracker of course

[Teox 0]

I suggest you to go to read other my post where I asked for assistence.

No official assistence, only a "rumors" in fact we have no find any fix.

it is useless that you are obstinate yourselves to santificare the BIS, when you do not have reason minimally.

and go on....

Texture than not loaded ( problem )

OS crash ( problem )

25 fps with all in Hight general settings ( that's mean that many of the advanced voices are set to "normal" )... ( problem )

I don't know the ID of theese problems and is not my problem to know theme, I report a matter, in a dedicated forum, and I waiting for a solution, it's clear like a sun.

[whisper 0]

If you can point me to one, only one sentence where I "sanctificate" BI, that would be very kind of you. (you won't find, simply because, once more, I don't)

Right, page 2, and we're approaching something resembling troubleshooting (could I have put more "ing" in that sentence? )

There is a bugTracker system in place, and it is currently the best system to report bugs. With your initial post, it's not only difficult, it's impossible to relate to any bug reported, thus impossible to tell if "this is going to be fixed". In other words, impossible to answer your questions.

Also, and it's probably the only point where I support BI, they won't answer everyone and every issue on forums, they simply can't. Which does not mean, once more, that they disregard the issues. Usually, when, in the bug tracker (yes, sorry, that is the best tool atm), the bug is assigned to someone, it means it's taken into account. They don't post in forums everytime it's done for 1 bug report.

[OFPDude 0]

Quote[/b] ]Bug tracker is here : http://bugs.armed-assault.net/main_page.php

That may help you understanding what people talk about when they talk about bug ID. Or, more probably, this will be too much of a hassle for you and you won't bother to go past the "game suxxorz" stage.

I think the people who have bought the game and have problems with bugs, etc... shouldn't really be getting involved in reporting bugs as that is for the official developers and beta testers.

I'm sure the official beta testers in the development team of ArmA have access to many different system/video machines to test the game throughly....maybe not in the case of ArmA

If it is the case that the ArmA development team are relying on the user (customer) to beta test the game and report Bug ID's, then isn't it not surprising many bugs will exist

[whisper 0]

Quote[/b] ]Bug tracker is here : http://bugs.armed-assault.net/main_page.php

That may help you understanding what people talk about when they talk about bug ID. Or, more probably, this will be too much of a hassle for you and you won't bother to go past the "game suxxorz" stage.

I think the people who have bought the game and have problems with bugs, etc... shouldn't really be getting involved in reporting bugs as that is for the official developers and beta testers.

I'm sure the official beta testers in the development team of ArmA have access to many different system/video machines to test the game throughly....maybe not in the case of ArmA

If it is the case that the ArmA development team are relying on the user (customer) to beta test the game and report Bug ID's, then isn't it not surprising many bugs will exist

Understood, and fair enough.

I'm not really of that opinion because I think BI is way too small to be able to deeply test their product. OTOH they're small enough to be free, bringing new things and idea to the table without transforming FPS market into your usual "hey look, we've our new game out, it's the same than last year with some graphic changes and a higher number at the end of the title! Great, isn't it?" (no no, I'm not pointing at EA there, Games or Sports, not at all )

But I understand perfectly the frustration and it will impact the product in the end, so all in all it's not good.

But now, suppose I'm BI dev, I read that post.

I want to answer. I read the description to find the corresponding bug in the tracker, to see who it is assigned to and which patch should fix the issue.

I go in tracker, search for the "graphic sux" bug ID. Ofc, I don't find it.

And I wonder.... what is the interest in such a post? Why are the other posts regarding the exact issues not used instead?

[Spetz 0]

Honestly i got one of the crappiest systems here, but i don;t have problems, i keep everything on low, turn off all the extra stuff and keep the view distance at 1200m

this is my system

Pentuim D @ 3.0 Ghz

1024 MB ram

Geforce 6200 SE with 256 Mb ram (turbo-cache so really it has 32mb)

250 GB hardrive

even if i had like an 8800GTX, i would style have the graphics turned down, I can play like half-life 2 on full graphics, but i prefer it on medium.

there is a basic theory on video games, "the higher the graphics settings are, the lower ur frame-rates"

now if you got like high end pc's and still can't run on low, thats a different problem