How to disable "HDR"?

[Maximus_G 0]

I think it would be good if some people who complaint on the HDR in game would provide here some specific videos demonstrating the wrong effect of HDR.

There should be some argumentativeness.

[G-LOC 0]

Try fog/haze. I set to 300m (75% I thing).

- AI will see you at same time you see them

- Run became dangerous

- You get better FPS

- Better MP tactics (easy to manouvre in open space against human)

- NVG view distance realistic (+/- 300m)

G-LOC

[Radic 0]

I think it would be good if some people who complaint on the HDR in game would provide here some specific videos demonstrating the wrong effect of HDR.

There should be some argumentativeness.

urm... I don't see any need to "prove" anything!  - for crying out loud, we're asking for the personal choice to turn it off for ourselves - NOT trying to suggest it be removed for all players (even tho the other side of the "argument" seems to be: "You WILL put up with HDR because it IS good and you can't prove otherwise!" ) - you like it then knock yourself out and enjoy - I don't like it so would like to turn it off - simple as that - is a little thing called free choice.....

Another way - I'm not suggesting it's bad or faulty etc. - all I'm saying is I don't want it.

[Maximus_G 0]

urm... I don't see any need to "prove" anything!  - for crying out loud, we're asking for the personal choice to turn it off for ourselves - NOT trying to suggest it be removed for all players (even tho the other side of the "argument" seems to be: "You WILL put up with HDR because it IS good and you can't prove otherwise!" ) - you like it then knock yourself out and enjoy - I don't like it so would like to turn it off - simple as that - is a little thing called free choice.....

Another way - I'm not suggesting it's bad or faulty etc. - all I'm saying is I don't want it.

"Free choice"?

You haven't understood it then.

As BIS have told us, HDR is in the core, it's not just a fancy visual effect. It CANNOT be simply disabled. It's like "disabling" any other of those features which make this game what it is.

[wamingo 1]

My opinion is the HDR is just a bit too harsh in some cases.

Try for instance, piloting the KA-50 at a dark night - Feb-20 has no moon I think (for added effect). Put nightvision on and view from cockpit when you turn the engine on. You'll notice the HDR kicking in because of the instruments turning on and it and darkens everything outside the cockpit from decent visibility to near zero visibility. The only thing you can still see is the hud and instruments. If you look out scope camera or the side windows your vision slowly returns.

In the mi-17 it's very easy to see how the instruments kill your vision too. Just look up and down from your instruments.

Tiny bright lights/surfaces should probably not kill your vision utterly...

In other words, it is, in some cases, just too much. Some fashion of exclusion or effect dampening might be more favourable.

[TheUser 0]

I think it would be good if some people who complaint on the HDR in game would provide here some specific videos demonstrating the wrong effect of HDR.

There should be some argumentativeness.

Here, my very own production: VIDEO HERE, PLEASE SAVE AS

[[aps]gnat 28]

Here, my very own production: VIDEO HERE, PLEASE SAVE AS

wtf? ...... what is wrong in that video? Nothing I can see ...........

I like the HDR in ArmA, adds some spice to tactics .... dawn attacks can be a WHOLE different story depending if you looking to the west or looking to the east

[cleanrock 0]

seeing the sky (looking at the horizon) will make the ground very dark, if i then look down into the ground the ground gets very bright, this use of hdr contribute a lot to scaring me away from arma (sluggish performance and long load times are the other two big factors for me)

imo, bis need to focus on performance (fps and load times) and less on eye candy, arma is barley playable on my Core2Duo E6600 and X1950Pro.

[Tarnish 0]

Gnat @ Mar. 03 2007,15:13)]

Here, my very own production: VIDEO HERE, PLEASE SAVE AS

wtf? ...... what is wrong in that video? Nothing I can see ...........

I like the HDR in ArmA, adds some spice to tactics .... dawn attacks can be a WHOLE different story depending if you looking to the west or looking to the east

Indeed, funnily enough I got the same effect earlier when I walked into town and looked in the direction of the sun, it was blinding and I didn't much like it. However I'm not going to ask to be given the option to switch the sun off!

Seriously though I feel HDR has been well implemented. There's a parallel argument running on regards the grass in ArmA too about it obstructing peoples vision. I suggest to those people that haven't experienced crawling through the dirt with a rifle for real to get themselves out and at least try a little airsoft or paintball and then tell me what they can see when they are on their belt buckles crawling through the long grass with the sun in their eyes.

Granted I accept that this is a game and sometimes it is nice to have certain options to suit individual tastes but to my mind at least ArmA is doing a pretty good job given the current level of technology of simulating real world outdoor conditions.

[DieAngel 0]

its funny because in the history of games i do not remember peoples moaning like this when we moved from static lightmaps to dynamic lighting systems.

But well in CS they moaned when the devs tried to add a tactical element (riot shield) so i am not surprised.

[TheUser 0]

Gnat @ Mar. 03 2007,16:13)]

Here, my very own production: VIDEO HERE, PLEASE SAVE AS

wtf? ...... what is wrong in that video?  Nothing I can see ...........

I like the HDR in ArmA, adds some spice to tactics .... dawn attacks can be a WHOLE different story depending if you looking to the west or looking to the east

Can't you see how the brightness keeps changing relatively much even though I just move the view just a bit and the overall scenery remains pretty much the same. Not to mention the arm getting in the way

If the HDR was as "cleanly" implemented as with some other games, I'd have no problem with it. In fact, it works quite well in the nighttime when you're on foot.

I think they need to raise the threshold of the values or something by which HDR is changing the brightness. Also make the changes happen at least twice as slow in the daytime than they are now.

[Tarnish 0]

Not to mention the arm getting in the way

The arm gets in the way when you look upwards while holding a weapon in the alert position? Yes it will do because your character is still aiming it in the direction you're looking, try pressing left CTRL twice to lower the weapon or even drop it, then look around and the arm won't be there to get in the way.

[Tarnish 0]

Can't you see how the brightness keeps changing relatively much even though I just move the view just a bit and the overall scenery remains pretty much the same.

I've actually just done a little experiment regards this subject. It's quite a bright sunny afternoon here at the moment so I went out into my garden. Now my garden has various areas that catch a lot of sun and others that are screened by trees and in shade. Anyway I went to various points around the area and looked and moved around in various ways to see how I perceived the varying light levels. As I looked around and shifted my position I was able to see definite variations in the light levels as I did so.

Also make the changes happen at least twice as slow in the daytime than they are now.

Hmm not sure about that, sounds like you're suggesting we halve the speed of light!

Now I agree HDR is not perfect, at times perhaps it's not quite as subtle as reality but it is a new technology after and I do feel it does do a pretty good job here in ArmA. Take a look at the HDR in Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter then tell me ArmA HDR is bad!

[Maximus_G 0]

My opinion is the HDR is just a bit too harsh in some cases.

Try for instance, piloting the KA-50 at a dark night - Feb-20 has no moon I think (for added effect). Put nightvision on and view from cockpit when you turn the engine on. You'll notice the HDR kicking in because of the instruments turning on and it and darkens everything outside the cockpit from decent visibility to near zero visibility. The only thing you can still see is the hud and instruments. If you look out scope camera or the side windows your vision slowly returns.

This is exactly the reason why the real Ka-50 cockpit has a special low-intensity night-time instruments illumination to use along with night vision goggles.

It is very common thing to the aircraft intended to use in lowlight conditions.

[TheUser 0]

Not to mention the arm getting in the way

The arm gets in the way when you look upwards while holding a weapon in the alert position? Yes it will do because your character is still aiming it in the direction you're looking, try pressing left CTRL twice to lower the weapon or even drop it, then look around and the arm won't be there to get in the way.

You got it backwards. The reason the arm gets in the way is because the head isn't looking high enough. Try it in OFP.

Also, my eyes are already adjusting to any light level changes and I can't do anything about it. Do I really need another adjustment on top of that?

[Tarnish 0]

You got it backwards. The reason the arm gets in the way is because the head isn't looking high enough. Try it in OFP.

Also, my eyes are already adjusting to any light level changes and I can't do anything about it. Do I really need another adjustment on top of that?

OK granted the head anim isn't looking high enough I agree but in all honesty so what? Do you often feel the need to fire your weapon like this:-

As that is the position you're in when this problem occurs.

Your own real eyes are not the issue here, what ArmA is doing is simulating what your virtual character's eyes are doing in it's enviroment, your own eyes are of no concern to the computer as they will continue to react to the ambient light levels of your immediate real life surroundings.

[wamingo 1]

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Yes I suppose it could be fixed with dimmed instruments. True.

It's not just the KA-50 that suffers from this though. The Cobra, mi17, Harrier and SU34, possibly more, does as well.

2.5min arma video of HDR at night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naCHXULpGIc

This shows two things. First the instrumentation killing your vision inside the cockpit. Secondly, world lights, like street lamps, kills your vision regardless of view. Flying through them and you won't be able to see anything else for several seconds.

Now, I wouldn't switch HDR off even if the option was there. Just showing some of these situations where the HDR is (imo) a bit violent.

[Radic 0]

urm... I don't see any need to "prove" anything!  - for crying out loud, we're asking for the personal choice to turn it off for ourselves - NOT trying to suggest it be removed for all players (even tho the other side of the "argument" seems to be: "You WILL put up with HDR because it IS good and you can't prove otherwise!" ) - you like it then knock yourself out and enjoy - I don't like it so would like to turn it off - simple as that - is a little thing called free choice.....

Another way - I'm not suggesting it's bad or faulty etc. - all I'm saying is I don't want it.

"Free choice"?

You haven't understood it then.

As BIS have told us, HDR is in the core, it's not just a fancy visual effect. It CANNOT be simply disabled. It's like "disabling" any other of those features which make this game what it is.

I'm not interested in the mechanics of the game - I'm just expressing my OPINION as a PLAYER and CUSTOMER.

If it can't be changed because it's integral to the graphics engine then so be it - I'll have to cop it sweet but will never PERSONALLY like it - and it's a pity if it can't be turned off to yield performance boost as it'd be quite substantial if Call of Juarez is any indication.

[Radic 0]

its funny because in the history of games i do not remember peoples moaning like this when we moved from static lightmaps to dynamic lighting systems.

But well in CS they moaned when the devs tried to add a tactical element (riot shield) so i am not surprised.

Again, as I've said before : if you like it and it enriches your experience then I'm absolutely THRILLED for you!!!  - in fact, I'm not even moaning about HDR - I appreciate what it's supposed to do and it seems to do a reasonable job of it in ArmA as far as I can see - all I'm saying is it doesn't appeal to me so for an improvement in performance I wouldn't miss it if there was an option to turn it off.

Again - those "opposed" to HDR are not trying to suggest that everyone be forced to lose it - just give the option - so why the heck do so many of you seem to be trying to force us to conform and fight the notion of that choice!!!

Infact I'd go so far as to comment that the above quoted post is SPAM.

[TheUser 0]

A quote from the manual from the Settings/Options section:

"HDR quality - High Dynamic Range lighting in ArmA works with lights in real world range to simulate various lighting conditions. It's not recommended to manually change this option."

[MamiyaOtaru 1]

I think it would be good if some people who complaint on the HDR in game would provide here some specific videos demonstrating the wrong effect of HDR.

There should be some argumentativeness.

Here, my very own production: VIDEO HERE, PLEASE SAVE AS

Aside from arm clipping, I saw squat wrong with that video.

Not to say I like ArmAs implementation. Your eye does adjust with differeng light levels, but hardly as spastically as in the game. When you walk into the shade from a tree IRL your pupils don't really open up that much, there is still bright light shining on everything outside the shadow. Overall light levels aren't all that different.

This is where ArmA falls down though. IRL your eye can see a much higher range than can be represented by a monitor. ArmA has to crank up the brightness when you are in a shadow so you can see the detail of the shaded area. This is because ArmA doesn't really do HDR, merging exposures at different light levels so you can see shaded and non shaded stuff at the same time like IRL.

If ArmA actually did HDR it wouldn't have to swing the brightness levels back and forth so much.

If they can't do HDR, perhaps they can lower the range of possible light intensity in game so shadows and lit areas aren't as different so maybe a monitor can show both at once. Flashpoint seemed to do fine. Realistic light range is cool and all with HDR. Without HDR, it just forces the horrible variations annoying so many people in this thread.