The "Fade" thing

[Paddeh 0]

Fade is more of a problem for peple who purchased flashpoint legitimately than it is for people who warez'd it. beleive me, i have friends that use copy's and they run with less problems than me.

Fade is a pretty useless system.

[Guest]

Let me get this straight:

1. amos m is better because he gives people choices

2. people who choose physical discipline are narrow minded.

3. people who don't agree with him are "followers" and "insult their children's intelligence" and so on.

4. people who choose physical discipline do it merely to prove that they "are bigger."

Lovely. Is this the kind of idiocity you teach your kids? God help them.

[3DSHROOM 0]

I agree with Paddeh. I know people who have used warez versions from the beginning with less problems than people with legit copies.

[yepp 0]

LOL rofl is this a forum for kids or what???

that fade they talked about is not working as they thought i will say LOL

[amos m 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from OBiJuan on 5:58 am on Dec. 19, 2001

Let me get this straight:

1.  amos m is better because he gives people choices

2.  people who choose physical discipline are narrow minded.

3.  people who don't agree with him are "followers" and "insult their children's intelligence" and so on.

4.  people who choose physical discipline do it merely to prove that they "are bigger."

Lovely.  Is this the kind of idiocity you teach your kids?  God help them.

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I said none of these things for the reason you say I did.

1. I didn't say I was better. I don't believe in that sorta crap.

2. People ppl who don't think for themselves, but follow the same reasoning their entire lives are narrow minded.

3. People who choose to act without questioning are followers. People who think their kids don't and can't understand things are insulting their kids inteligence.

4. People who choose physical discipline do it because they are either too lazy or too uncaring to try and figure a different way.

The type of "idiocy" I teach my kids is to be good to other ppl and to respect their rights + feelings. What is wrong with that? I don't get where you're coming from.

And god won't help them. God is a myth you fool, created a very long time ago by very supersticious ppl.

Also, the fade thing is easy to...well....make disappear.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 4:08 am on Dec. 19, 2001

4. People who choose physical discipline do it because they are either too lazy or too uncaring to try and figure a different way.

God is a myth you fool, created a very long time ago by very supersticious ppl.

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I rest my case re: your narrow mindedness and lack of tolerance for other people and their points of view.

[amos m 0]

You rest your case on that? mhuh?

How does that make me narrow minded anyway? NOT sticking to the norm.

Would you ppl just admit that you KNOW that it's wrong to hit someone, so why's it ok to hit your kids. You don't OWN them. You protect them. And imposing violent behaviour on them is not doing that very well.

Like I said, we are suppose to be civilised right? You wanna be regarded as a civilised being right? Well act a little bit civilised. Help to make another advancement in civilisation where ppl won't accept violence, especially as punishment towards our defenceless children.

When did 2 wrongs start makin a right?

[Nocturnal 0]

Getting your @ss beat for something you did wrong is perfectly fine by me, because I was rasied like that. After getting spanked as a kid for the trouble that I caused was a hard lesson to learn and one that wasnt repeated. My kids are rasied the same way and im sure they think twice before talking back or causing trouble. You can say what you want about beating a child but when I collate my kids to my Uncles (he only yells at em) their f*cking brats

[KillorLive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 3:13 am on Dec. 18, 2001

I live in australia and here, and I'm pretty sure in the states and most other CIVILISED countries, physically disciplining your children IS considered abuse and IS against the law.

It's not the only thing that gets through to their minds. That's kind of the point that I was trying to make by stating that KillorLive doesn't have children. He hasn't tried and therefore doesn't know how to raise a child.

Why would I think like this if all I was taught in my childhood was fear and abuse? My dad wasn't around to beat me with a stick and my mother did a good job of explaining to us the idea of consequences and explaining specific consequences, and by letting us make our own decisions about things it was ensured that we would grow to be opened minded free thinking individuals.

Is that what you mean by liberal? I can think for myself? Well that must make you a narrow minded follower who doesn't understand that you CAN choose and you CAN make a difference where it matters. And that is probably because you did not have things explained and were probably not given the chance to think for yourself. You were mummied by a bully. And resorting to physical abuse as a punishment is an insult to the inteligence of your child and yourself and to the humanity of yourself.

I talk to my children and try to explain to them WHY I don't want them to do any specific thing. My children love me and I love them. I'm not gonna start hitting them to proove the point that I'm bigger and what I say goes.

You know how a neural network in computers works? You don't program them. You start by giving it some simple problems and the sollutions to those problems. From there the computer(s) can implement that knowledge and apply it to work out sollutions to new problems it hasn't encountered before.

The same thing with ppl and all living creatures.

I am empowering my children to be able to make intuitive decisions for themselves and to understand consequence with out filling them with fear.

I am not a christian, so I do not say "don't do that or you'll burn in ####", or "don't swallow your gum, It'll wrap around your heart and you'll suffocate". I'm not a sadist so I don't beat my kids into submission. I am someone who cares and thinks too much to go around hitting ppl because I think that's the best sollution. You can't figure out a better way to punish you're children?

I do punish my children if it is necessary, but I find that it isn't really necessary very often. Less often than the child of someone who punishes their child at the drop of a hat, ie. for scratching a farking cd. What really matters more? Do you really think hitting a child is necessary because a cd you like got a scratch on it? You seriously gotta rethink your attitude.

As for calling me liberal, you can label ppl what you want, but it's only gonna hinder you as with a label comes expectations. You think that person is only capable of what the label permits, where the person is an individual and capable of alot more than any one label gives credit for.

You can call me a liberal for what I've said here. You can call me a veggie cause I choose not to eat meat. But I am amos m and I live up to my own expectations.

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Liberal.

It's not illegal to hit your kids behind.

Dips**t.

Get off the amphetamines, it's really burning you from the inside out.

[KillorLive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 1:12 am on Dec. 20, 2001

You rest your case on that? mhuh?

Would you ppl just admit that you KNOW that it's wrong to hit someone, so why's it ok to hit your kids. You don't OWN them. You protect them. And imposing violent behaviour on them is not doing that very well.

Hit kids?

We all know you were abused...it's okay...NO! No! Shh...

There....

Follow me to the nice padded-NO! Calm down!

CALM!

Good...

Get the nice cookie in the cell...

there ya go....

*slam*

AND STAY THERE!

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[KillorLive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 1:12 am on Dec. 20, 2001

You rest your case on that? mhuh?

How does that make me narrow minded anyway? NOT sticking to the norm.

Would you ppl just admit that you KNOW that it's wrong to hit someone, so why's it ok to hit your kids. You don't OWN them. You protect them. And imposing violent behaviour on them is not doing that very well.

Like I said, we are suppose to be civilised right? You wanna be regarded as a civilised being right? Well act a little bit civilised. Help to make another advancement in civilisation where ppl won't accept violence, especially as punishment towards our defenceless children.

When did 2 wrongs start makin a right?

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Good job spelling civilized.

Maybe I might take heed to your words if you didn't type like a second grader, and had the opinion of a cow.

[KillorLive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 6:45 am on Dec. 18, 2001

Well it's broken cause ppl are still all farked up.

And of course my kids rebell a little. That's what 2 yr olds do. It just means through that period you gotta be persistent. If you teach I child that you hit someone when they don't do what you want them to, what do you think they're gonna do?

A little spank might be a little spank to you, but to a child it's something different. You know that the first 2 yrs is when a child learns the most about social behaviour. Teach your kids to use their minds, not their fists is all I'm sayin.

I know it's hard, but your kids are what's important right?

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Dude!

Your kids are SO going to be gay!

couldn't resist...

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from KillorLive on 12:41 pm on Dec. 20, 2001

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 1:12 am on Dec. 20, 2001

You rest your case on that? mhuh?

How does that make me narrow minded anyway? NOT sticking to the norm.

Would you ppl just admit that you KNOW that it's wrong to hit someone, so why's it ok to hit your kids. You don't OWN them. You protect them. And imposing violent behaviour on them is not doing that very well.

Like I said, we are suppose to be civilised right? You wanna be regarded as a civilised being right? Well act a little bit civilised. Help to make another advancement in civilisation where ppl won't accept violence, especially as punishment towards our defenceless children.

When did 2 wrongs start makin a right?

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Good job spelling civilized.

Maybe I might take heed to your words if you didn't type like a second grader, and had the opinion of a cow.

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You ARE aware of the fact that there are two correct spellings of that word, aren't you? There is the American form, and the form that the rest of the English-speaking world uses.

And I don't think you should criticize other people's spelling -- here are some quotes of your writing from another thread:

* The 5.56mm NATO round is devistating to the human flesh.

* But in full fledged war it is useless, since the Geneva Convenction outlaws JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point rounds), and you are forced to use FMJ. Then alot of the said power is lost, though it will tear thru level 3 Kevlar.

* Oh. I was told it was adrenaline, since I was dazzed and it was all slow like, I believed it.

* Sie erlernen etwas neues tägliches, wie Herr Scweizer?

* As for number 2, I need naught provide it, if you are so needy as I provide proof for you search for "JHP GNC" on Google

* But, I admit, being raised my infintile years Eastern Bloc I was raised conservative, and my love of rifles still has not died, plus I get paid to learn this stuff when I'm 18, so I might as well learn as much as I can now.

I'm not saying my spelling is perfect all of the time, but then I don't go around criticizing others. Why don't you find something more substantive to get worked up about?

[KillorLive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Mister Frag on 6:31 am on Dec. 20, 2001

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from KillorLive on 12:41 pm on Dec. 20, 2001

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 1:12 am on Dec. 20, 2001

You rest your case on that? mhuh?

How does that make me narrow minded anyway? NOT sticking to the norm.

Would you ppl just admit that you KNOW that it's wrong to hit someone, so why's it ok to hit your kids. You don't OWN them. You protect them. And imposing violent behaviour on them is not doing that very well.

Like I said, we are suppose to be civilised right? You wanna be regarded as a civilised being right? Well act a little bit civilised. Help to make another advancement in civilisation where ppl won't accept violence, especially as punishment towards our defenceless children.

When did 2 wrongs start makin a right?

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Good job spelling civilized.

Maybe I might take heed to your words if you didn't type like a second grader, and had the opinion of a cow.

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You ARE aware of the fact that there are two correct spellings of that word, aren't you? There is the American form, and the form that the rest of the English-speaking world uses.

And I don't think you should criticize other people's spelling -- here are some quotes of your writing from another thread:

* The 5.56mm NATO round is devistating to the human flesh.

* But in full fledged war it is useless, since the Geneva Convenction outlaws JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point rounds), and you are forced to use FMJ. Then alot of the said power is lost, though it will tear thru level 3 Kevlar.

* Oh. I was told it was adrenaline, since I was dazzed and it was all slow like, I believed it.

* Sie erlernen etwas neues tägliches, wie Herr Scweizer?

* As for number 2, I need naught provide it, if you are so needy as I provide proof for you search for "JHP GNC" on Google

* But, I admit, being raised my infintile years Eastern Bloc I was raised conservative, and my love of rifles still has not died, plus I get paid to learn this stuff when I'm 18, so I might as well learn as much as I can now.

I'm not saying my spelling is perfect all of the time, but then I don't go around criticizing others. Why don't you find something more substantive to get worked up about?<span id='postcolor'>

Albeit true, half the stuff there the grammar was off, or it was a mis-type.

Here's my "impression" of 'amos m':

hi u are not to beat kids when there to yers old tehy like to not be hit...and stuffed

[KillorLive 0]

Oh, and incase you forgot, naught is also acceptable.

naught also nought (nôt)

n.

Nonexistence; nothingness.

The figure 0; a cipher; a zero.

Infintile and devistating were both me being tired.

Convenction was for the same reason.

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from KillorLive on 2:00 pm on Dec. 20, 2001

Oh, and incase you forgot, naught is also acceptable.

naught also nought (nôt)

n.

Nonexistence; nothingness.

The figure 0; a cipher; a zero.

Infintile and devistating were both me being tired.

Convenction was for the same reason.<span id='postcolor'>

Naught is a noun. Not is an adverb. The two are not interchangeable.

[KillorLive 0]

Like I said, between that and the "babelfish" German (what is babelfish?) that was grammatical.

[Mister Frag 0]

Babelfish is an online translator from AltaVista:

<a href="http://world.altavista.com/

It" target="_blank">http://world.altavista.com/

It</a> is actually pretty cool and can be used to translate both typed-in text as well as entire web pages -- it is handy in a pinch, but the grammar is often way off.

The Babel Fish name is a reference to a creature from "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" by Douglas Adams.

[KillorLive 0]

Ah, okay.

Sounds good.

[amos m 0]

Aaah. So no one is trying to contradict me anymore? Just picking on my non existant spelling mistakes.

Ok. You try to prove to me that hitting, HITTING your children is ok. Acceptable behaviour from an adult. Now only the adults speaking plz.

[Guest]

I believe everyone here is talking about spanking. Now you're trying to emphasize HITTING?

OK, here's an easy way out for you: do you mean spanking or hitting with closed fists?

[Alaskan 0]

Well here is my opinion on this matter..

my little girl is 3 i have taught her to take my cd out and and put in hers. She trys really hard to do this and to put my cd in its jewl case. But she is only three.. For all those who punish there kids for trying to learn then shame on you if my cd gets ruined cause my little girls beats me to cpu then its my fault i shoulda taken cd out and put it into its case..

My cpu is for my family to use...not just for dady to boss hog cpu try teaching the kids how to use cpu and cd's it will only increase the learning curb guys

[Guest]

Look, let's stick to the facts here. amos is going off because someone suggested that it's OK to discipline kids using physical punishment. Here is the quote from the original poster:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Paco1 on 2:08 am on Dec. 7, 2001

I have it installed, thats no problem. I play alot in the evening but during the day my kids play on the pc. If you have kids you know that Cd's don't last long when they handle them!

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This does not sound like your little girl at all. It sounds like kids who don't appreciate how to handle CDs.

It's not about "punishing kids for trying to learn." It's about teaching them discipline and respect for other people's property.

It's not about beating your kids senseless with fists and clubs. It's about controlled spanking that will teach them there are consequences to what they do wrong.

Jesus. Frickin' liberals drive me nuts! THey are all for "choice" but they don't allow any points of view that go against what they believe. Can't have it both ways.

BTW, the last paragraph was only towards amos, who seems to think that way, NOT TO YOU ALASKAN.

[KillorLive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from OBiJuan on 10:45 pm on Dec. 20, 2001

Look, let's stick to the facts here.  amos is going off because someone suggested that it's OK to discipline kids using physical punishment.  Here is the quote from the original poster:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Paco1 on 2:08 am on Dec. 7, 2001

I have it installed, thats no problem. I play alot in the evening but during the day my kids play on the pc. If you have kids you know that Cd's don't last long when they handle them!

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This does not sound like your little girl at all.  It sounds like kids who don't appreciate how to handle CDs.

It's not about "punishing kids for trying to learn."  It's about teaching them discipline and respect for other people's property.

It's not about beating your kids senseless with fists and clubs.  It's about controlled spanking that will teach them there are consequences to what they do wrong.

Jesus.  Frickin' liberals drive me nuts!  THey are all for "choice" but they don't allow any points of view that go against what they believe.  Can't have it both ways.

BTW, the last paragraph was only towards amos, who seems to think that way, NOT TO YOU ALASKAN.<span id='postcolor'>

THANK YOU.

f**king liberals.

[KillorLive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 10:17 am on Dec. 20, 2001

Aaah. So no one is trying to contradict me anymore? Just picking on my non existant spelling mistakes.

Ok. You try to prove to me that hitting, HITTING your children is ok. Acceptable behaviour from an adult. Now only the adults speaking plz.

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Amos, f**k off.

I told you not to talk to me, this is the second warning.

f**k off is required here obviously since "leave me alone" doesn't work.