The "Fade" thing

[KillorLive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Alaskan on 10:01 pm on Dec. 20, 2001

Well here is my opinion on this matter..

my little girl is 3 i have taught her to take my cd out and and put in hers. She trys really hard to do this and to put my cd in its jewl case. But she is only three.. For all those who punish there kids for trying to learn then shame on you if my cd gets ruined cause my little girls beats me to cpu then its my fault i shoulda taken cd out and put it into its case..

My cpu is for my family to use...not just for dady to boss hog cpu try teaching the kids how to use cpu and cd's it will only increase the learning curb guys

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Now, to make me sound smart, or something, a CPU doesn't have a cd.

You can not beat someone to the CPU.

It's a part, a computer, however, usually has a CD-ROM drive, and that's where the CD for Operation Flashpoint, or Barbie, goes.

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Somehow I always thought installing Barbie and Flashpoint in the same machine would be bad... *shrug*

[amos m 0]

OK.

KillorLive. I haven't stated your name for a long time. Even so, just make me. And have something worth sayin if you're gonna continue with the argument. And I don't remember you tellin me to leave you alone anywayz. M not really takin notice of who I'm postin to, just replying to all the ignoramouses out there. (btw. I know that ignouramous is probably spelt incorrectly. I don't care.)

Obijuan. Yes. Respect for other ppls property. Like their own person. Maybe I got a bit carried away, but often simply spanking when it's common practice turns into much more than spanking. ie. the bigger the bad, the bigger the punishment. The bigger the kid, the bigger the bad.

Yes. Teaching them the consequences of what they do wrong. The consequences for scratching a cd aren't meant to be that you'll get a branded ass. The cd doesn't work and a new one has to paid for with money.

And yes. Choice. But not when it conflicts with rights, and/or has such a negative effect. ie. Teaching ppl it's ok to hit.

Btw. Hitting is hitting. You DON'T have the right to hit anyone in any way. That IS abuse. Physical punishment IS abuse and IS illegal. Ask a lawyer. KillorLive. Ask your parents.

And also, I said only the adults now. So that was definitely not directed at you KillorLive. Legal adult = 18+. In my opinion, for most, adult = 20/21+.

[fixOPFsoundsplease 0]

Haa Haa.

How can I disagree?! I just turned 20 in November !

Hehe.

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Alas, we are at an impass. My choices/opinions don't count because they are now branded "illegal"/"conflicting with rights"/"has a negative effect". So, I guess it's either agree with you or be the bad guy.

[octupi mgg 0]

I think it's funny how a post about FADE and nocd cracks turned into this thread...LMAO

But since it did, I'll put my two cents in...

I have two boys, 2 yr old and 3 1/2 yr old. They're just like thier daddy (me), hard headed as the devil himself. So if they do something repeatedly, yes they get a wack on the butt, is that wrong...to most of you yes...and I'm guessing you don't have kids.

I watch all these kids that screw up by the numbers and say to myself, self, those kids never learned the meaning of consequence. My kids understand that if I tell them not to do something, and they do it, they'll get one more chance, but if they do it again, they get punished. It's not abuse, I don't bruise them, welt them or anything like that, but a tear might arise from time to time.

And for the record, it's not against the law in this "civilized" country. And if Aussie land is so freaking civilized, why are you guys banned from owning weapons....oops, probably just opened up another can of worms... hehe

[KillorLive 0]

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OK.

KillorLive. I haven't stated your name for a long time. Even so, just make me. And have something worth sayin if you're gonna continue with the argument. And I don't remember you tellin me to leave you alone anywayz. M not really takin notice of who I'm postin to, just replying to all the ignoramouses out there. (btw. I know that ignouramous is probably spelt incorrectly. I don't care.)

Obijuan. Yes. Respect for other ppls property. Like their own person. Maybe I got a bit carried away, but often simply spanking when it's common practice turns into much more than spanking. ie. the bigger the bad, the bigger the punishment. The bigger the kid, the bigger the bad.

Yes. Teaching them the consequences of what they do wrong. The consequences for scratching a cd aren't meant to be that you'll get a branded ass. The cd doesn't work and a new one has to paid for with money.

And yes. Choice. But not when it conflicts with rights, and/or has such a negative effect. ie. Teaching ppl it's ok to hit.

Btw. Hitting is hitting. You DON'T have the right to hit anyone in any way. That IS abuse. Physical punishment IS abuse and IS illegal. Ask a lawyer. KillorLive. Ask your parents.

And also, I said only the adults now. So that was definitely not directed at you KillorLive. Legal adult = 18+. In my opinion, for most, adult = 20/21+.

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Amos give up while you can.

This is for Troubleshooting moron.

Let's get back on track or CLOSE THIS GODd*amn TOPIC.

You, amos, are losing, saying that you can't spank one because it's so drastically hurting them physically and emotionally, scarring them for life and lawyers (*shudder*) get involved.

I suggest you shutup before you say something REALLY stupid.

Spanking someone does NOT kill them, it DOES hurt them, it is NOT illegal, lawyers ARE evil, you ARE a liberal, you NEED help, your opinions ARE s**tty.

It's to teach them a lesson, if you want your boys to be prom queens that's your affair, but I'd rather give them a spanking if they do something wrong, at 2-3 they're not sentient enough to think straight, all they remember is subconcious and physical. Only at 4-5 do kids really start remembering certain conversations, events, etc. etc.

All kids deserve to be spanked, even if only once, to teach them who's boss, and if they f**k up they're getting punished, taking Pokemon away for a week doesn't teach them anything, except to despise you.

[amos m 0]

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 3:38 am on Dec. 21, 2001

OK.

KillorLive. I haven't stated your name for a long time. Even so, just make me. And have something worth sayin if you're gonna continue with the argument. And I don't remember you tellin me to leave you alone anywayz. M not really takin notice of who I'm postin to, just replying to all the ignoramouses out there. (btw. I know that ignouramous is probably spelt incorrectly. I don't care.)

Obijuan. Yes. Respect for other ppls property. Like their own person. Maybe I got a bit carried away, but often simply spanking when it's common practice turns into much more than spanking. ie. the bigger the bad, the bigger the punishment. The bigger the kid, the bigger the bad.

Yes. Teaching them the consequences of what they do wrong. The consequences for scratching a cd aren't meant to be that you'll get a branded ass. The cd doesn't work and a new one has to paid for with money.

And yes. Choice. But not when it conflicts with rights, and/or has such a negative effect. ie. Teaching ppl it's ok to hit.

Btw. Hitting is hitting. You DON'T have the right to hit anyone in any way. That IS abuse. Physical punishment IS abuse and IS illegal. Ask a lawyer. KillorLive. Ask your parents.

And also, I said only the adults now. So that was definitely not directed at you KillorLive. Legal adult = 18+. In my opinion, for most, adult = 20/21+.

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Amos give up while you can.

This is for Troubleshooting moron.

Let's get back on track or CLOSE THIS GODd*amn TOPIC.

You, amos, are losing, saying that you can't spank one because it's so drastically hurting them physically and emotionally, scarring them for life and lawyers (*shudder*) get involved.

I suggest you shutup before you say something REALLY stupid.

Spanking someone does NOT kill them, it DOES hurt them, it is NOT illegal, lawyers ARE evil, you ARE a liberal, you NEED help, your opinions ARE s**tty.

It's to teach them a lesson, if you want your boys to be prom queens that's your affair, but I'd rather give them a spanking if they do something wrong, at 2-3 they're not sentient enough to think straight, all they remember is subconcious and physical.  Only at 4-5 do kids really start remembering certain conversations, events, etc. etc.

All kids deserve to be spanked, even if only once, to teach them who's boss, and if they f**k up they're getting punished, taking Pokemon away for a week doesn't teach them anything, except to despise you.<span id='postcolor'>

OK. So you don't want me to leave u alone after all?

Now. What great morales do you think spanking them is going to teach them? You don't think this is going to teach them to despise you.

And what do you know about politics or the law at 16 KillorLive? You're just a prat who doesn't know what he's talking about, bringing untruth after untruth to this topic, and doesn't know when to stop.

I am losing? You know nothing about debating either. You have addressed none of my points satisfactorily, nor corrected me at any time during this discussion.

I urge you to put a bit more effort into your study methods, and you will find that any form of abuse is illegal, and abuse can, for the extreme part, be put down to a simple brush of the hand. That can be interpreted as sexual abuse. You do know this, no?

Oh well, ignorance is by no means an excuse.

I happen to think that to teach a lesson, it's much more effective to TEACH a lesson. If you don't want the kid to go near the stove cause it's hot, they don't know what hot means, so if the don't listen you can show them what hot is, carefully and gently. That is one way for example.

At times you will need to be more persistent with them, but resorting to the old fashioned, unimaginative, lazy and uncaring method of hitting your child (which is intended to hurt the child so as to gain their attention), is not going to teach them anything constructive, and is therfore not going to equip them with any form of information. Information being the most important asset that you can give a growing child, apart from love and care.

KillorLive, grow up a bit hey. Become a mature, thinking adult and we can maybe have a constructive conversation here.

Also, all these kids becoming screwed up by the numbers, I bet you will find they either come from over disciplinary or physically abusive backgrounds. Not from families who respect the rights, fellings and needs of their children and do all they can to bring their children happy and healthy.

I know you think you're protecting your child when you hit them, but it is becoming proven more and more that this kind of discipline is not effective, nor does it raise a healthy child.

Please think b4 u act.

I'll be tunin' in for another chapter on this topic, but for no I gotta go to work.

Obijuan, you give up too easily. You sound inteligent. Y not contribute a little more here?

cya.

[amos m 0]

And wtf?

What does having a gun got to do with being civilised?

"I am a civilised man with a gun."

Isn't that a huge contradiction.

Get a grip on the actual meaning of the word civilised.

[KillorLive 0]

Contradiction?

Bulls**t.

Having a rifle has nothing to do with being civilized.

"I know you think you're protecting your child when you hit them, but it is becoming proven more and more that this kind of discipline is not effective, nor does it raise a healthy child. "

Hitting?

I thought we explained that. Bad moron! BAD!

About me being immature, I'm 15, lemme alone, or something.

About politics, I don't care about politics or alot of recent events because quite frankly I could give a s**t.

Politics nowadays are all about who got the latest scandal where.  About your opinion of kids, they need that extreme every once in a while, teaching them warm water is bad isn't going to work, telling them no just makes them MORE curious.

If they don't learn to trust your word they're going to get worse, but like I said, go ahead and have prom queens.

"I urge you to put a bit more effort into your study methods, and you will find that any form of abuse is illegal, and abuse can, for the extreme part, be put down to a simple brush of the hand. That can be interpreted as sexual abuse. You do know this, no?"

No, I don't.

You're a moron.

It takes atleast 3 occasions of emotional abuse and one account of physical abuse (that is credible) for a sexual abuse warrant for arrest can be sent out.

Learn US law before you try to act "grown up", no?

A brush of the hand is a brush of a hand, only cruel people would call that physical abuse, but, since we're talking about you, I guess that already qualifies you.

I call a spade a spade, you, of course, are just a shell of a man, and shall remain so with your opinions.

I leave you to whatever you do at work, but it is sad that you will raise kids in such a manner.

Ahh well, c'est la vie.

People are people, and ignorant as they may be, there are always those that surprise me.

This is one of those cases....

(Edited by KillorLive at 9:06 am on Dec. 21, 2001)

[amos m 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from KillorLive on 7:00 pm on Dec. 21, 2001

Contradiction?

Bulls**t.

Having a rifle has nothing to do with being civilized.

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Like I said. Wtf do you know at...15. Now how did I guess so closely to your age? Because you're an imature prat. You talk s**t. You don't know what you're talkin' about.

Having a gun has everything to do with being, perhaps, uncivilised. Killing things is uncivilised. Guns are for killing things. What else is there to say. Only an uncivilised person would object.

Hitting, yes. Striking. To take your hand and impose it forcefully upon another. Hitting.

And the law has called that sexual abuse. I didn't say nothin' about what it took to get arrested for anything. I agree. Only ppl who are nasty or żhave personal problems maybe? would call for legal action upon the occurance of the brush of a hand, but it's happened.

And politics are still about politics. The media is all about scandals. Swaying public opinion is all about scandals. Politics is politics.

My opinion of kids. I don't just say no. That's my whole point. I make an effort to teach the child why not. And by doing so they WILL learn to trust my word. They HAVE learned to trust my word. They do what I say almost all the time now, up until I take 'em into the shops then they just run wild for a while. I chase 'em round a bit, humour them, make a game of it a little, rather than just being impatient and getting fed up with them. Then they calm down and follow me like I'd like them to. Now wouldn't you prefer that to getting you're ass smacked cause adults are sooo grown up and have suuuch big things to be thinking and worrying about rather than accommodating for their kids?

And as for you calling me a spade or what ever, maybe that worries you and all your little kiddie friends, being called names, but I don't care what u call me. That's your opinion of me and it means nothing to me. I am what I am and I know what I am.

So there!

Plz little fulla. Nuff playin with the big boys. You're in over your head. Go play with your lego and be a good boy now.

PS. We're not banned from owning them sadly. Most of us just disagree with the need for them being peace loving citizens.

(Edited by amos m at 11:49 pm on Dec. 21, 2001)

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from amos m on 8:30 am on Dec. 21, 2001

Obijuan, you give up too easily. You sound inteligent. Y not contribute a little more here?

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I will no longer participate because YOU refuse to accept any other opinion as valid.  You've labelled my arguments illegal, harmful, etc, so there is no room for discussion with you on this topic, am I not right?

A debate is a consideration of other points of view and to challenge those points of view with questions/facts/etc.  But for you, there is no middle ground.  Hitting your kids is illegal, harmful, etc.  Any variation from that is not valid in your view.

My position is simple: It's OK to spank your kids as long as:

1.  You are in control.

2.  YOu are not upset when you do it.

3.  They are under your care.

Now in your latest post, you threw in "sexual abuse."  Geez.

The only thing I called you was a liberal and you got a bit defensive.  Do you consider yourself a conservative?

You've also alleged that I don't allow for other points of view, but you've proven that that is actually YOUR problem.

I would wish you a Merry Christmas, but that would probably offend your "open-minded" liberal zealotry.

Good lord.

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[amos m 0]

Man, sexual abuse was an example to prove a point. Geez. Read the whole thing so you know what you're talking about. That statement didn't just come out of the blue like you would like to believe.

I am giving you the opportunity to prove me wrong. A debate doesn't mean that one party has to give the other ground to stand on. It means that one party tries to proove to the other that their opinion is not necesarily right/just/fair.

You prove me wrong. You confront me with the morale facts that makes hitting anyone ok. You show me where in the law it states that hitting anyone is ok, except in self defense. You think about what this actually does to and for your children and explaing to me why it is ok.

I once also believed that it was ok to spank your kids to tell them something was not ok to do. I did this once or twice. Never did it make me feel good about myself or about how I treated my children or about what I was actually teaching my children.

Funny thing was that the only reason I spanked my kids was because they were hitting other ppl, usually their mother or I. It wasn't a big hit or anything, just enough to let us know what he was trying to say. But I was adamant that that sort of behaviour deserved a spanking.

I was wrong. That was absolutely the wrong way to go about sorting this problem out.

After having an argument with my gf about this, I ended up bringing up the topic with my mother, a very intelegent and understanding woman who just seems to learn more about what life's about each day. She listened attentively, and gave advice when I was done talking and quietly debated me with this point.

"I try talking to them about this, they just hit me and don't listen."

"You can gently restrain them, holding their hands together in yours. This is non aggresive, and will get their attention on you for long enough to have a word with them."

She mentioned many other things in that discussion also, like that the punishment and resentment will just get bigger and bigger, and sooner or later you've got father and son having a punch up in the front yard.

All the time I knew that what I had done felt very wrong, I just thought that that's the way it had to be. And now that I've changed a little, I dont' understand really where you are all coming from not even wiilling to take on anything I say as valid.

What? I'm just some nut on the other end of the world bashing away at his keyboard? This is not so. I am someone who wants to make a difference in this world full of barbarism. I know I come across the wrong way, because I am often stubborn in my opinion, but if I see something as wrong I just can't help myself. I gotta keep trying or I'm not playing my part here properly.

C'mon ppl. I don't really think that you are all just simply idiots. I do think that you're misinformed though. The fact that this type of behaviour from humans is also pretty much my whole point. Civilisation is about trying to achieve something better for ourselves and for others. Trying to learn the lessons that the past has to teach and shedding off the bad behaviour, to become something more refined and well behaved that gives other beings the respect, the tolerance, and all the courtesy we can muster.

I konw I'm not a shinning, perfect example of this, but at least I'm trying and making sacrifices so as to achieve this goal.

Peace. \/,,

[octupi mgg 0]

I'm sure if we all lived to Amos' idea of the perfect world things would be just rosey...or not.

As long as there are human beings, there will be two sides to every coin. Obi makes a great point about no other opinion is good except Amos's in his mind. It doesn seem narrow.

I spank my boys. Am I hurting them? No, I'm teaching them. I have never spanked them hard enough for them to NEED to cry, yet they do. But they have a better understanding are more likely not to repeat the performance.

Maybe when Amos had kids and tries to reason with a 2 1/2 or 3 year old that it doesn't work. So you can teach him with a spanking, or give in. My best friends give in because he is a liberal, and his kid gets away with murder and does whatever it wants. Mine know that if I have to tell them more than twice then there will be a consequence. Who's in the wrong? It's all a point of view.

You have yours, I have mine. You mention that these kids that have gone astray must come from homes that are overly abusive? Read a little, open your mind, and look at all these kids that have gone on these killing sprees in America, they come from homes where they weren't disciplined and didn't know what consequence meant. So who is doing the bigger injustice?

Octupi.

[amos m 0]

Explain to me how they have a better understanding. What do you explain to them? How are you teaching them? What are you teaching them? They know that if you have to tell them twice.....doesn't really sound like you're teaching them anything but to fear you.

I know the goal that I'm aiming for isn't gonna appear anytime soon, definitely not in my lifetime. But I'm setting my kids on the right path. What are you doing?

I have kids, have mentioned it many times. Maybe your kids don't listen to you because you've conditioned them in a different way that I have mine. Maybe they don't think they're doing wrong unless they get a smack or a punishment.

And I seriously doubt that you know anything at all about the kids who have gone on killing sprees in america. They are more likely to have come from a family where there is little communication. They don't learn how to communicate with others and express their feelings (probably a trait inheritted by a "tough guy" daddy and a mother who does not challenge the father, or parents who are " too busy" to spend a decent amount of time with their kids), and become anti-social, and learned to resent the world in their lonliness. Nothing to do with punishment there.

And give up with the "Amos doesn't have an open mind" s**t. I used to be very much like the attitudes you all display, but through looking and listening and learning I have changed my opinions on things. I am asking you ppl questions.

This goes beyond opinion. This goes into what sort of behaviour is acceptable from an adult, especially concerning the treatment of their children.

Open your own mind and take a look at yourself. Question your own actions. I have questioned myself as much as I have questioned other ppl.

Not sure what you meant about who is doing the bigger injustice. If you read my posts properly you would know that my kids aren't running wild. They aren't being disobedient. They do listen, and they do learn. I ask them to do something and they do it (well the older one does anyway, the younger one being only 1 1/2 often thinks that I'm trying to play a game and usually runs off. Nothing wrong with that though. He doesn't understand yet).

(Edited by amos m at 3:30 pm on Dec. 22, 2001)

[Alaskan 0]

Ummmm.... WOW this turned into quite the thread didnt it....

[SilentSnipeR 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from octupi mgg on 7:12 am on Dec. 21, 2001

And if Aussie land is so freaking civilized, why are you guys banned from owning weapons....oops, probably just opened up another can of worms...  hehe

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I don't understand, maybe we arn't allowed to own firearms cause we see what children so with guns and we don't bring them up in a world to think guns are a "cool thing to own". Look at all those school shootings you have. Wonder why we never have them in australia? think about it.

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KillorLive, if you were a boss and a worker did somthing wrong, would you punch them in the face to teach them not to do it again? NO!

I've been brought up through spanking and all that s**t and all i know is that it teaches NOTHING! One example would be when I accidently knocked over a picture frame when i was little and it smashed to the ground. I picked it up, started crying and yelling "sorry, sorry, sorry" yet, my dad still gave me a spanking, even though I knew it was wrong. Now would you spank your kid if they were crying saying "sorry"?

[SilentSnipeR 0]

Whats the deal with al this Liberal crap? We don't have weird things like that here. I think what amos m is trying to say is there are other ways to teach your children how to behave then spanking them, in reality spanking them is the most laziest way out. locking the child in there room or somthing like that is also a differen't approach. Maybe even a picture card system or somthing like that. Who knows, but i just don't like the idea of hurting someone, as i stated before, it didn't teach me anything.

[amos m 0]

"tshhck. Support assigned. Reinforcements available at Delta, Bravo, Charlie, Foxtrot."

Bang, bang, bang.

Three shots and they're down.

Yes. That's exactly what I'm trying to say.

Sending them to their room is pretty much the most drastic punishment I have to resort to, and like I've been trying to explain, you couldn't ask for two better kids than mine.

One nearly two and the other nearly three, and none of this children runnin' round everywhere not listenin' to a word and no respect for nothin' business. And don't think that I'm just lucky enough to have such good kids. I just happen to treat my children like ppl, treat them like I do, and they just happen to turn out the way they do.

Invest some time in your kids if they're running a bit astray. It's all about communication, and it doesn't matter how young they are. The earlier you start talking to them and doing things like that, the sooner they will pick up on it.

There is no communication process happening when you hit them for being wrong, or what we might call wrong. Might have actually been just an accident just like sniper said.

Think about it. "Don't do that again go and...I don't want to hear another word. Just do as you're told." We all know that this is how it goes, and you can see that there is no communication happening in this situation.

If you are one of the ones who is not willing to think about it, or to admit that it is wrong, then you could not possibly imagine what sorts of things this type of treatment can lead to. It can range from the relatively "small" problems of low self asteem and not being able to confront ppl, due to lack of communication skills, or maybe just some deep rooted feeling that they "can't", to the extremities we have seen in america lately.

C'mon. I'm not trying to win a battle to put myself over anyone. We all know that hurting ppl is wrong, that's why we have all these laws. They are all implemented to prevent harm from coming to ppl. It doesn't have to be an extremely hard smack to cause harm. You know that. You try to pop a wheelie in front of all your mates and fall on your ass, it's not your ass that hurts.

[medalian1 0]

When are they going to lock this thread? Move it to Off-Topic as well, since users can't remain ON topic ... gee child abuse, blah blah blah.

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Amos, I still think because your kids listen to you does not make you an expert in raising all kinds of children. Some kids will test you. A spank can actually be less painful for them than to actually experience what it is that you are warning them about.

Take the hot stove for example. You tell your kid not to touch it because its hot. You let him feel the heat. Then, you stand back, watch him slowly move towards it. He reaches. You pull him back. Tell him "Hot! Don't touch". He studies your face for a moment. Then, he goes for it again.

Are you the type who is going to stand there and nag the kid for an hour, then go do something, and in another moment, the kid is hollering because he fried his hand? Now, you've got to put up with the howling little bastard for a couple of miserable days.

You are mean, and an unfit parent, to not enforce your word with force, as required. A series of slaps on the kids hand, until he refuses to go for the stove, is the right thing to do, to protect him from a bad burn. It is small artificial pain to re-enforce what you have warned him about, and is the right thing to do.

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KillorLive, if you were a boss and a worker did somthing wrong, would you punch them in the face to teach them not to do it again? NO!

I've been brought up through spanking and all that s**t and all i know is that it teaches NOTHING! One example would be when I accidently knocked over a picture frame when i was little and it smashed to the ground. I picked it up, started crying and yelling "sorry, sorry, sorry" yet, my dad still gave me a spanking, even though I knew it was wrong. Now would you spank your kid if they were crying saying "sorry"?

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I'm not KillerLive, but the hypothetical situation you presented could have some "what ifs" to it. If I explicitly warned an employee not to move a hoisted load above another worker's head, and he did it anyway, yeah, I might just smash his face in, and then fire him. Being the boss takes more balls than you've got. Thats why some people are employees, and some aren't.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from theavonlady on 1:09 pm on Dec. 7, 2001

When I let my boys play OFP, I put the CD in, wait for OFP startup to finish and take the CD back.

The only other alternative is to buy another copy.

Don't using the NOCD crack. FADE will kick in and it ruins the game, as designed.

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This isn't true. I'm using no-cd crack for operationflashpoint.exe. It's annoying to have that CD in the drive all the time. I can play MP, SP, everything with no-cd crack. No FADE. FADE is activated when you remove password check from OPF.exe. You can remove cd check but you can't remove password check. You can remove it, but FADE will roll in. That's for sure. Everything is OK if u have original copy.

Use No-CD crack with no fear.