berghoff 11 Posted March 25, 2005 If you use Mozilla FireFox, you might've noticed that your internet is running a little slower lately, if not dont worry, but a problem has come to the worlds notice that there is a vulnerability in Firefox. I dont know all the details but incase you have noticed... More details as I find them out. Hmmm didn't know about a new version of Firefox maybe they should add something like the extensions that you can update with a push of a button. Right now I only use Firefox but there are still some websites that just don't work correctly so I hope that will be fixed too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supah 0 Posted March 25, 2005 If you use Mozilla FireFox, you might've noticed that your internet is running a little slower lately, if not dont worry, but a problem has come to the worlds notice that there is a vulnerability in Firefox. I dont know all the details but incase you have noticed... More details as I find them out. Hmmm didn't know about a new version of Firefox maybe they should add something like the extensions that you can update with a push of a button. Right now I only use Firefox but there are still some websites that just don't work correctly so I hope that will be fixed too. Them not working is pbb due to the site being optimised for one browser. Firefox shows you a popup above the clock thingy and the red circle with the arrow pointing up inside the circle show that there are updates available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
berghoff 11 Posted March 25, 2005 Firefox shows you a popup above the clock thingy and the red circle with the arrow pointing up inside the circle show that there are updates available. Oh, hehe just thought that was some sort of decoration ._. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Supah 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Firefox shows you a popup above the clock thingy and the red circle with the arrow pointing up inside the circle show that there are updates available. Oh, hehe just thought that was some sort of decoration ._. It isn't the most obvious thing around I must admit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
walker 0 Posted March 25, 2005 IE Engine it self is vulnerable, As is Firefox hence this thread But IE gets a lot more testing as more people use it and more crackers try to break it. First you say Why the hell I m supposed to install all those applications if just can install decent browser like firefox Then you say Installing a spy-ware remover and well configured firewall and antivirus is a must in all situations f you using firefox or not, And to this but with firefox you avoiding allot of suffering! I say firefox crashes and you end up having to use IE to visit all the sites where FireFox crashes anyway. Kind Regards Walker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EiZei 0 Posted March 25, 2005 IE Engine it self is vulnerable, As is Firefox hence this thread But IE gets a lot more testing as more people use it and more crackers try to break it. But on the other hand one cannot access the IE source code unlike firefox. Quote[/b] ]I say firefox crashes and you end up having to use IE to visit all the sites where FireFox crashes anyway. That happens to me about once every two weeks.. THE HORROR THE HORROR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nSe7eN 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Walker keep saying (hi all) and shooting me after that! If I ever knew that internet explorer better or more stable than firefox I will admit it, recommendation is a responsibility! In your quote for me you removed the most important thing of it, (but with firefox you avoiding allot of suffering!). Eh? And continued after that! What I meant is using tons of spy-wares scanning applications are not necessary, like when using internet explorer, but it’s needed, with the other supporting applications too! In the future it’s possible to see such codes for firefox so keeping such apps installed is needed! Quote[/b] ]I say firefox crashes and you end up having to use IE to visit all the sites where FireFox crashes anyway. Quote[/b] ]But on the other hand one cannot access the IE source code unlike firefox. Quote[/b] ]That happens to me about once every two weeks.. THE HORROR THE HORROR. Yup firefox is open source that helps in its development they say! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
h - 169 Posted March 25, 2005 I just have to say these forums amaze me... Even the the small news of some non-MS browser update can turn into a huge argument... And this thing happens almost in 85% of all opened topics (that are not locked almost immediately for a reason or another)... I can totally agree with Walker, IE is a functional browser and with good firewall and active virus detection you are completely safe... I just don't like IE's 'heavyness'... Altough FireFox has some problems, on my use I've noticed that it has some problems with these forum 'softwares' such as this one (for example when a 'quote' button or something is pressed the tags are not added to where the cursor is but at the end of the 'document') but no other problems have arised, I still favor it over IE... Altough I must say that my firewall reports 6 times out of 10 when I just open IE (it has no starting page, just about:blank) that some virus has been detected and it always is some file added in 'temp internet files' when the browser opens... FireFox has no such problems.. Also, hackers/crackers are not so keen (in my experience) to start attacking some free and optional open source software... Most of them are just anti-Microsoft which fuels their 'deeds'... But then again, what do I know so don't quote me on this... IMO 'internet safety' should be tought in schools, starting at elementary stages... Like traffic safety... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crashdome 3 Posted March 25, 2005 <table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Code Sample </td></tr><tr><td id="CODE">Altough I must say that my firewall reports 6 times out of 10 when I just open IE (it has no starting page, just about:blank) that some virus has been detected and it always is some file added in 'temp internet files' when the browser opens... FireFox has no such problems.. What your 'firewall' is reporting (although I was unaware that a firewall = anti-virus tool.. heh) is intended functionality of IE. If you look at what you find, it shouldn't be malicious unless you are already infected with something. It most likely is whatever tool you are using 'claiming' it to be malicious when in fact it might not be. It also boils down to what people define as malicious code. In defense of Walker, I've been using IE (and some Firefox) for the past 10 years and only once did I get a virus and it WAS due to MY OWN stupidity. That was a long time ago too. Most of IE's vulnerabilities do stem from the features added to IE way..way.. back when broadband wasn't even an option for home use and ActiveX was the only feasible option for Windows users. They heard cries for features that would improve performance and add functionality. They supplied it. Now it's garbage and they are moving away from it. It takes awhile to move an application developed on principles from 10 years ago. Not unless they throw out all backwards compatibility with each update. You can't blame them for that. Look at browsers from the same time period. They are useless or even more vulnerable. Firefox may be more secure, but they've only been around for just over 2 years and have no strings which tie them to the early internet days when it used to be a relatively safe place. I hope they take off and outperform IE. I support their effort, but I don't blame IE if I can't use it properly. That's like saying an old gun with no safety is at fault when someone throws it around like a jack-ass and ends up killing themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nSe7eN 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Quote[/b] ]I just have to say these forums amaze me...Even the the small news of some non-MS browser update can turn into a huge argument... And this thing happens almost in 85% of all opened topics (that are not locked almost immediately for a reason or another)... That what makes this forum so special! Quote[/b] ]I can totally agree with Walker, IE is a functional browser and with good firewall and active virus detection you are completely safe...I just don't like IE's 'heavyness'... Altough FireFox has some problems, on my use I've noticed that it has some problems with these forum 'softwares' such as this one (for example when a 'quote' button or something is pressed the tags are not added to where the cursor is but at the end of the 'document') but no other problems have arised, I still favor it over IE... Altough I must say that my firewall reports 6 times out of 10 when I just open IE (it has no starting page, just about:blank) that some virus has been detected and it always is some file added in 'temp internet files' when the browser opens... FireFox has no such problems.. Also, hackers/crackers are not so keen (in my experience) to start attacking some free and optional open source software... Most of them are just anti-Microsoft which fuels their 'deeds'... But then again, what do I know so don't quote me on this... IMO 'internet safety' should be tought in schools, starting at elementary stages... Like traffic safety.. I didn’t say IE is not functional or browser what I said it’s not that safer than many other browsers out there, actually it’s not safe at all, using a antivirus and firewall not supposed to protect you while you using vulnerable system, some of those exploits can bypass any known security measures using such critical vulnerabilities, it supposed to protect you from certain things but not also patching your system! Mozilla firefox still under development, in future such things will be solved, if you compared the age of firefox and its reputation and its abilities and above all that its security with other browsers you’ll see the point! Again we were talking about the security and not the functionality in IE and firefox! Quote[/b] ]Firefox may be more secure, but they've only been around for just over 2 years and have no strings which tie them to the early internet days when it used to be a relatively safe place.I hope they take off and outperform IE. I support their effort, but I don't blame IE if I can't use it properly. That's like saying an old gun with no safety is at fault when someone throws it around like a jack-ass and ends up killing themselves. You guys keep saying that you just think its settings issue! Sorry for wasting your valuable time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
walker 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Walker keep saying (hi all) and shooting me after that! I usualy say "Hi all" because it polite same as I usualy sign of with "kind regards". It is the kind of etiquete that helps to prevent forum threads from turning into flame wars. However in the thread you quoted for once I did not say "Hi All". So I guess it is the exeption that proves the rule. I do on occasions sign off with regards or "sadly" or "worried" etc. as it expresses my emotional state while writing. If I ever knew that internet explorer better or more stable than firefox I will admit it, recommendation is a responsibility! Very true so perhaps you may wish to revise your recommendations in the light of the contents of this thread. Also might I ask what qualification and experience you have in the area of computers; as I always like to know the quality of the source of any advice given? In your quote for me you removed the most important thing of it, (but with firefox you avoiding allot of suffering!). Eh? And continued after that! That I am afraid is factualy incorect And to this but with firefox you avoiding allot of suffering! I say firefox crashes and you end up having to use IE to visit all the sites where FireFox crashes anyway. We then get this What I meant is using tons of spy-wares scanning applications are not necessary, Which contradicts this like when using internet explorer, but it’s needed, with the other supporting applications too! No matter what browser you use you need a firewall and virus checker and you still need to run anti spyware programs even with FireFox. If you are thinking a future version of FireFox will include a firewall and virus checker maybe but then so could IE it will probably have the anti-spyware integrated that microsoft just bought. As to FireFox being inherently more secure you will perhaps forgive me if not knowing your credentials I take more advice than yours. Hence I read this in PC world and other reputable sources. Quote[/b] ]Symantec: Hackers Turn Attention to Mozilla BrowsersNumber of recent documented Firefox vulnerabilities higher than for IE browser, company says. Jaikumar Vijayan, Computerworld Monday, March 21, 2005 The growing popularity of Mozilla-based Web browsers appears to be attracting the attention of the malicious hacking community. Between July 1, 2004, and Dec. 31, 2004, the number of documented vulnerabilities affecting the Mozilla browser and the Mozilla Foundation's Firefox browser was higher than the number of vulnerabilities affecting Microsoft's Internet Explorer, according to the latest Internet Security Threat Report from Symantec released Monday. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,120128,00.asp Kind Regards Walker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rommel 2 Posted March 25, 2005 I just have to say these forums amaze me...Even the the small news of some non-MS browser update can turn into a huge argument... And this thing happens almost in 85% of all opened topics (that are not locked almost immediately for a reason or another)... I can totally agree with Walker, IE is a functional browser and with good firewall and active virus detection you are completely safe... I just don't like IE's 'heavyness'... Altough FireFox has some problems, on my use I've noticed that it has some problems with these forum 'softwares' such as this one (for example when a 'quote' button or something is pressed the tags are not added to where the cursor is but at the end of the 'document') but no other problems have arised, I still favor it over IE... Altough I must say that my firewall reports 6 times out of 10 when I just open IE (it has no starting page, just about:blank) that some virus has been detected and it always is some file added in 'temp internet files' when the browser opens... FireFox has no such problems.. Also, hackers/crackers are not so keen (in my experience) to start attacking some free and optional open source software... Most of them are just anti-Microsoft which fuels their 'deeds'... But then again, what do I know so don't quote me on this... IMO 'internet safety' should be tought in schools, starting at elementary stages... Like traffic safety... I just have to agree, we really are a bunch of frustrated arguers. Now technically where not offtopic but try not to stray off to bugs with IE etc. Mainly focus on firefox. If you'd like to start a debate on IE and FF (firefox) start a new topic. Leave this topic to updates and bugs about Mozilla FireFox. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted March 25, 2005 Just to add, I also like Epiphany, Konqueror and Opera, but use Firefox most of the time. Dillo is my choice for quick browsing on my old P166 and Lynx is nice for pure-text ops including automated (shell script) recherches. I love diversity! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
walker 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Hi der bastler Gosh what a reminder of my old VAX days I have not used Lynx in about twenty years a truly venerable browser. I got a version for a friend with sight problems way back when it could be linked to a very robotic sounding speach card. Kind Regards Walker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nSe7eN 0 Posted March 26, 2005 I usualy say "Hi all" because it polite same as I usualy sign of with "kind regards". It is the kind of etiquete that helps to prevent forum threads from turning into flame wars.However in the thread you quoted for once I did not say "Hi All". So I guess it is the exeption that proves the rule. I do on occasions sign off with regards or "sadly" or "worried" etc. as it expresses my emotional state while writing. Then Quote[/b] ]It is based on Netscape which was a pile of dog pooh as far as security was concerned. Now it has become slightly more popular the crackers have decided to start exploiting it. Very polite indeed! Quote[/b] ]We then get this Yeah using Tons of spy-ware scanning applications with firefox are not necessary, but using some of them is not a bad idea. Nothing contradicts in your opinion everything contradicts its seems! Quote[/b] ]No matter what browser you use you need a firewall and virus checker and you still need to run anti spyware programs even with FireFox.If you are thinking a future version of FireFox will include a firewall and virus checker maybe but then so could IE it will probably have the anti-spyware integrated that microsoft just bought. As to FireFox being inherently more secure you will perhaps forgive me if not knowing your credentials I take more advice than yours. Hence I read this in PC world and other reputable sources. I need to repeat to endless times its seems! Did I say you don’t need antivirus and firewall or something, that phase was talking about spy-ware removers and not any other thing! Plus pcworld is not the source for such reports about vulnerabilities! The most trusted and advanced site for such things on the web is secunia.com Up there in the Middle you can see reports about firefox and many other browsers! According to the most trusted source on the web for such things, using IE <span style='color:red'>Is highly critical</span> and many unpatched vulnerabilities too, Now and before firefox users will be always safer, because Mozilla patches any discovered vulnerability very fast,Many times faster than Microsoft! All the replays I posted in this topic was not only to prove my point of view if you respect it or not, and not arguing just because I love arguing, I really believe that the users of firefox will be safer than the other people! Remember the most important thing when discovering a vulnerability what ever was the status of it criticality, is the speed of releasing the patches, as a user for firefox I really like the speed of releasing the patches by Mozilla team! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted March 26, 2005 As for the arguable personal firewalls... if you have no programs listening on certain ports why the need for an additional piece of software? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
walker 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Hi All @ nSe7eN PCWorld is a reasonable PC magazine and its journalistic credentials are generaly accepted. The PCWorld article, which I think is at an accessable level to all, is quoting Symantec's Threat Report. Symantec make lots of Security products Like Norton Antivirus and Firewall. There are other manufacturers Like MaCaffe and Zone Alarm, Steganos etc. You may wish to aquire one of these products if you are using FireFox and do not already have a Firewall virus checker and anti-spyware program. Microsoft have a free AntiSpyware. Zone Alarm is free as is Adaware. Please read the warning article I posted earlier before going for free offers as it makes clear some Anti-Spyware proggies are not all they are cracked up to be and may in fact contain spyware. Secuna is a good site to begin learning about security but it has only been cited in CERT 25 times, Symantec on the other hand has been cited on CERT 119 times. But if we want to talk about security sites I prefer the dady and that is this one, as it is the one all profesionals use. http://www.cert.org/ Kind Regards Walker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nSe7eN 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Secuna is a good site to begin learning about security but it has only been cited in CERT 25 times, Symantec on the other hand has been cited on CERT 119 times.But if we want to talk about security sites I prefer the dady and that is this one, as it is the one all profesionals use. http://www.cert.org/ Kind Regards Walker So secunia.com is good to begin learning security it’s for *beginners*, and not as professional as cert, so secunia.com is not trusted source for the news anymore since its good to begin only? Go and say that in your pcworld magazine and see the responses please, you not only low graded secunia but also insulted everyone that works there when you called it good to begin only! Now we know that cert is the only source for the professional news out there! Very weird way of rating a site! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
walker 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Hi all Quote[/b] ]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.For other meanings of CERT, see CERT (disambiguation) The CERT/CC (Computer Emergency Response Team Coordination Center) was created by DARPA in November 1988 after the Morris worm struck. It is a major coordination center in dealing with internet security problems. The CERT/CC is run by the federally funded Software Engineering Institute (SEI) at Carnegie Mellon University. The SEI also created the Capability Maturity Model (CMM). The CERT/CC is not to be confused with United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team (US-CERT) which is part of the National Cyber Security Division of the United States Government's Department of Homeland Security. The two organisations work closely together and cross reference each other. External link Official homepage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERTErr like I said CERT is the dady. More here http://www.cert.org/nav/index.html @ nSe7eN Err perhaps you would care to search on Wiki for Secuna and Symantec You will not find a mention of Secuna on Wiki Symantec is there but both Symantec and Secuna bow to the dady. Problems with FireFox and IE and other peices of software both get reported by the likes of Symantec, Macaffee, Steganos, etc yes and Secuna to CERT which is the official coordinating center for internet security. If you want to find out internet security issues and you are a profesional that is where you go. If you are an internet security profesional or business who you wish to be certified that is where you go. Kind Regards Walker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nSe7eN 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Edit! Both sources are respected, both sites is qualified to be a trusted source! Though I think the update is very damn important! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y2JON 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Anybody tried Avant yet? Go on, you know you want to have a little perusal! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nSe7eN 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Used it long time ago don’t know how it looks now, ill give it a try! In the same time searching for a good server to start playing ofp MP for the first time, tons of addons needed to do so! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
walker 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Hi nSe7eN For your playing ofp MP try Zeus Addon Server Kind Regards Walker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nSe7eN 0 Posted March 26, 2005 Thanks! Ill try that! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Y2JON 0 Posted March 27, 2005 Used it long time ago don’t know how it looks now, ill give it a try! In the same time searching for a good server to start playing ofp MP for the first time, tons of addons needed to do so! Yey, at least your willing to give Avant a go! Have you had a play around with it yet, so to speak? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
