joltan 0 Posted September 28, 2004 Sure there are cities that have become beautiful (like Rostock for example) but most of the money was used to renovate the inner part of the old cities and to subsidise semi-dead companies.The schools in the East still look shit! And I mean it! Uh, Halle is quite a nice city, Albert. I'm there quite often and while of course there's Neustadt (not much to do about that) you also find there (among other things) Germany's biggest art nouveau quarter (the 'Paulus-Viertel' - looking good now). Of course you have to look (i.e. actually enter the town), not just peek out of the train station. As for the 'Trabanten-Stadt' Neustadt - it's outside the old city (in the GDR Neustadt was an independent city, it only became part of Halle after the reunification), and while you find of course the same ugly 'modern' buildings they constructed also in the west during the 60s and 70s it's not as bad as in many west german cities. Halle was lucky and survived the war in a much better shape - and the GDR never had the money to actually tear down the old parts of the city (unlike in western germany). If you consider that there's not much economic interest there it's really impressive how that city looks after just 12 years. Of course there are cities where the change is more visible (Potsdam, Weimar or Dresden), but then there's more money to be made (or public interest) in those places. And regarding the schools - well, just look at what they build in the west during the 70s: they usually got a better paint job, and the asbest got removed already in the late 80s, but that's about the only difference there is. (Edit: ah, raedor beat me to it!) So much for prejudices... Mind you, I live in Freiburg right now - and I'd still move to Halle any day if I found a good job around there. It's a nice looking, little university city with quite a good cultural live (if you want more then Leipzig is 20 minutes to drive, Dresden 1 hour, Berlin 2 hours). The hardest thing is the dialect - but then there's always Bavaria to compare it to... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted September 28, 2004 Quote[/b] ]but then there's always Bavaria to compare it to... Wos hast gsogt ? Saugrippe ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Schweitzer 10 Posted September 28, 2004 prejudice? how rude! I ve been to many of those cities and not just peeking out of the train (or car). My point was that maybe the inner part of those cities have been renovated but you can still see the difference in income. Both of you can denie this but unfortunately there is a statistical fact to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-33ker 0 Posted September 28, 2004 Albert, my school in NRW looks like shit! And I sometimes think it has some advantages to live in the east, because almost everything is made new there. New bars, museums, malls, cinemas,... You name it. In the west on the other hand, there is no space for new things in the cities! I wouldn't mind to go to Rostock university, because it's a beutiful city and you can easily find a cheap appartement in the suburbs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Myll_Barka 0 Posted April 8, 2005 im from belgium, and yes, exreme right is gaining ground mainly because if you hear anything about immigrants, its 90% something criminal and its a fact u know im not saying what the caus is, coz i dont know, but the statistics say it and thats why so many ppl vote extreme right coz the current government isnt solving the situation and thats not all tho, lotsa things here that should get changed imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iNeo 0 Posted April 8, 2005 Here, use this thread instead: European Politics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted April 9, 2005 I feel insulted when they openly tell me that I MUST share my money because WE live in a social state. One day the sympathy has to end. I can assure you that if you shorten their money and they would have to starve they would quickly do something about it. Yeah....why not just round them all up and put them in work camps.....gas any that resist.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted April 9, 2005 Yeah....why not just round them all up and put them in work camps.....gas any that resist.... According to Godwin, this thread has ended and you lost... No, not really. The phase of round-up-and-kill is far away, right now Germany's heading into an Orwellian future... biometric IDs(*)... Otto-Katalog(**)... hollowed right to do demonstrations (***)... Großer Lauschangriff(****)... Why did a right-wing party get so many votes that it could enter a state parliament? Imo some people, especially in East Germany, are fed up with the four established parties SPD, CDU/CSU, FDP and Greens. And if you look at the reactions I suspect some of the voters wanted to create a small scandal just to be heard. When it comes to right-wing parties everyone seems to panic. Instead of facing them in the normal democratic way (i.e. show that this ridiculous bunch can't do it better; easy job) bans are discussed. Instead of demystifying NPD & Co. they are feared. What is stupid, because a party which creates Angst can be very attractive for people who failed in life, who are down... Explanations of inner-German processes: In the next sections, GG means Grundgesetz, the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany. (*) In Germany you have to have an ID card. They plan to implement biometric data in non-obligatory passports, but I expect them soon to extend this to normal ID cards. Charges for new IDs will be heavily increased, but it doesn't help against terrorists (terrorists live quite normal with a regular ID until they go boom). Additionally it just takes away another part of data security. Recently several Police HDDs where sold on Ebay --unerased, unshreddered! Content: alarm plans, guidelines for special ops etc. Think of such an incident with HDDs holding personal data of thousands of citizens. Imo personal data in official data bases has to be reduced to the bare minimum! (**) Packages of rules and laws for the War on Terrorism, refer to PATRIOT act; named after Otto Schily, Minister of the Interior; ambigous term, also name of the catalogue of a big mail-order company (Otto-Versand). (***) "Threatened" by right-wing nutjobs who wanted to do demonstrations on May 8th in Berlin politicians constrained Art. 8 GG by defining certain areas in which demonstrations are forbidden. A first step to wipe out complete Art. 8... (****) Meaning "Big Eavesdropping Assault" verbatim; a correct translation would be "Extended Bugging Operation". Bye bye, Artikel 10 (right of communications privacy)! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kavoven 4 Posted April 10, 2005 bastler, you forgot something really, really important. The "Feinstaub" problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted April 11, 2005 bastler, you forgot something really, really important.The "Feinstaub" problem. ARRRRRGH! Put it away! It hurts! That's definitely Unwort of the year! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted April 12, 2005 I'd merge this into European politics but it would make the thread messy so simply continue any discussion in there please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
