M82A1 / other large guns

[Major Fubar 0]

Hi all,

Just wondering: since the M82A1 is such a monstrously huge gun, I personally don't think it is very realistic for someone carrying one to also be toting around a Stinger, Carl Gustav or other launcher.

So my question is this: could you set the config of the gun to act like a machine gun (say, like the M60), so that when you are carrying it, you can't carry anything in the launcher slot at the same time? And if you can set the config like this, does anyone else think it would be a good idea?

Naturally, this would include other big guns like the KSVK etc.

[DeLiltMon 0]

Just had a look at the commented config and I reckon that adding "weaponType = WeaponSlotPrimary + WeaponSlotSecondary;" to the weapons config should do the trick.

[Gordy 0]

Well, I don't thing soldiers carrying those weapons are unarmed (except for carl and stinger).

I think that a squad would never had such a weapon with them unless the support is around. Armoured vehicle or sth like that.

They would rather carry a portable and smaller launcher.

[Grizzlie 0]

I aggree with Major Fubar, and rather not aggree with Gordy.

I can imagine sniper armed with .50 and sidearm only.

It is not only matter of weight, but handling 2 long weapons is rather hmm "uncomfortable".

It is why he has spotter - to observe and fire support in an emergency.

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

My idea is actually the other way around and it's to make the M82 a secondary weapon, so you can't run around with it (since that's unrealistic).

You have an Mp5 as your primary and than deploy your M82 for sniping. This makes sniping slower and more difficult, but I think it's more realistic and better for OFP than the current way.

The only problem is that you should still be able to kneel and go prown, but not be able to stand up and walk away.

[king homer 1]

Hi all,

Just wondering: since the M82A1 is such a monstrously huge gun, I personally don't think it is very realistic for someone carrying one to also be toting around a Stinger, Carl Gustav or other launcher.

So my question is this: could you set the config of the gun to act like a machine gun (say, like the M60), so that when you are carrying it, you can't carry anything in the launcher slot at the same time? And if you can set the config like this, does anyone else think it would be a good idea?

Naturally, this would include other big guns like the KSVK etc.

Fubar, you ever looked at my M82?

[Gordy 0]

I aggree with Major Fubar, and rather not aggree with Gordy.

I can imagine sniper armed with .50 and sidearm only.

It is not only matter of weight, but handling 2 long weapons is rather hmm "uncomfortable".

It is why he has spotter - to observe and fire support in an emergency.

What i meant was.

Normaly a soldier would go around carrying .50 cal and side arm. It's to heavy. It weights 13 kg empty. Plus mags where one bullet is almost like a humans palm.

U should add to that all the gear a soldier carries with him. How far and quiet would that kind of soldier be? Not much I suppose.

Mostly it is a anti material weapon, but to give U more details:

"Caliber: .50 BMG (12.7 x 99mm)

Operation: Short Recoil, Semi-Automatic

Overall Length: 1448 mm

Barrel Length: 737 mm

Feed Device: 10 Round Detachable Box Magazine

Sights: 10X Telescopic

Weight: 12.9 kg empty

Muzzle Velocity: 854 m/s (M33 Ball)

Max Effective Range: 1800 meters

Expected accuracy: 1.5 - 2.0 MOA or better

The Barrett Firearms company was founded by the Ronnie Barrett for a single purpose of building semi-automatic rifles chambered for powerful .50BMG ammunition, originally developed for and used in Browning M2HB heavy machine guns. Barrett began his work in early 1980s and first working rifles were available in 1982, hence the designation M82. Barrett continued to develop his rifle through 1980s, and developed improved M82A1 rifle by 1986. The first real success was the purchase of about 100 M82A1 rifles by the Sweden Army in 1989. Major success followed in 1990 - 1991, when US Military purchased numbers of the M82A1 during the operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm in Kuwait and Iraq. About 125 rifles were initially bought by US Marine Corps, orders from US Army and Air Force followed soon. The M82A1 is known for US Military as the SASR - "Special Applications Scoped Rifle", and it was and still is used as an anti-materiel weapon and EOD (explosive ordnance disposal) tool. The long effective range along with high energy and availability of highly effective ammunition such as API and Raufoss M213 allows for effective operations against targets like radar cabins, trucks, parked aircrafts and so on. M82 also can be used to defeat enemy snipers or criminals from standoff range or when targets are behind the cover, but the anti-personnel work is not a major application for Barrett M82 (or any other .50BMG rifle, for that matter).

Further development led to the M82A2 bull-pup rifle (1987), which was designed to be fired from the shoulder, but did not succeed, and was soon dropped from production. The M82A2 was obviously designed as a cheap anti-helicopter weapon, suitable for use against highly mobile targets when fired from the shoulder. The latest derivative of the M82 family is the M82A1M rifle, adopted by USMC as the M82A3 SASR and bought in significant numbers. This rifle differs from M82A1 in that it have a full length Picatinny rail that allows a huge variety of scopes and sighting devices to be mounted on the rifle. Other changes are addition of the rear monopod, slightly lightened mechanism and detachable bipod and muzzle brake. The Barrett M82 rifles were bought by various military and police countries from at least 30 countries, such as Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Greece, Italy, Mexico, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, UK, USA and others. The M82 also is widely used for civilian .50 caliber long range shooting competitions, being fired accurately out to 1000 yards (911 meters) and even further.

As a side note I must point out that the Barrett M82A1 rifle was recently (2002) used as a platform for experimental OSW (Objective Sniper Weapon) prototype. The M82A1 rifle was fitted with shorter barrel of 25mm caliber, and fired low-velocity high explosive shells developed for 25mm OCSW automatic grenade launcher. The experimental OSW showed an increased effectiveness against various targets but the recoil was beyond the human limitations.

The M82 is a recoil operated, short barrel stroke, semi-automatic firearm. When gun is fired, barrel initially recoils for a short distance (about an inch - 25 mm) being securely locked by the rotating bolt. After the short travel a post on the bolt, engaged in the curved cam track in the receiver, turns bolt to unlock it from the barrel. As soon as the bolt unlocks, the accelerator arm strikes it back, transferring some part of the recoil energy of the barrel to the bolt to achieve the reliable cycling. Then barrel is stopped and the bolt continues back, to extract and eject a spent case. On its return stroke bolt strips the fresh cartridge from the box magazine and feeds it into the chamber and finally locks itself to the barrel. The striker also is cocked on the return stroke of the bolt. The gun is fed from the large detachable box magazines, that hold 10 rounds.

The receiver is made from two parts (upper and lower), stamped from sheet steel and connected by cross-pins. Heavy barrel is fluted to improve heat dissipation and save weight, and fitted with large and effective reactive muzzle brake. On the earlier models the muzzle brakes were of round cross-section, latter M82 rifles are equipped with two chamber brakes of rectangular cross-section. M82A1 rifles are fitted with scope mount and a folding backup iron sights. M82 rifles are often equipped with Leupold M series 10X telescope sights. The M82A1M (USMC M82A3) rifles have long Picatinny accessory rail mounted on the top of the receiver, that can accept wide variety of scopes, day or night. Every M82 rifle is equipped with folding carrying handle and with a folding bipod (both are detachable on M82A3). M82A3 also fitted with the detachable rear monopod under the butt. The buttpad is fitted with soft recoil pad to further decrease the felt recoil. M82A1 and M82A3 rifles could be mounted on the M3 or M122 infantry tripods (originally intended for machine guns) or on vehicles using special Barrett soft-mount. M82A1 can be fitted with carry sling but according to those who carried it in the field, M82 is way too uncomfortable to be carried on sling due to excessive length and heavy weight. It is usually carried in special carry soft or hard case.

The M82A2 differed from M82A1 mostly in that the pistol grip along with trigger had been placed ahead of the magazine, and the buttpad has been placed below the receiver, just after the magazine. Additional forward grip was added below the receiver, and the scope mount has been moved forward too."

[Ninja_STO 0]

To keep with the original purpose of this topic, I would say King Homer's Barrett is a perfect example of how to create a heavy sniper weapon that prohibits carrying of any other secondary weapon other than pistol.

And in my own opinion regarding the tactical carry of such large weapons, I agree most soldiers do not hump those weapons into their hide area like a regular grunt. If you are wanting to simulate this in the game, just load the weapon into your transport vehicle (such as HMMWV) and carry a rifle. When you disembark your vehicle near your AO, just take the heavy weapon from the transport vehicle and move out to your firing/observation position.

This is a method I use in the game, because I use this weapon to engage targets from a far enough distance that they shouldn't see me or my vehicle. I park the HMMWV or what ever about 200m from my firing position, move in on foot, complete the objective, and return to the vehicle for transit to either RTB or move to next firing point. This solves the issue of carrying heavy weapons long distances, and seems realistic enough for most missions I play.

[Gordy 0]

here's another one.

stinger

Primary function To provide close-in, surface-to-air weapons for the defense of forward combat areas, vital areas and installations against low altitude air attacks.

Manufacturer Prime - Hughes Missile System Company

Missile - General Dynamics /Raytheon Corporation

Propulsion Dual thrust solid fuel rocket motor

Length 5 feet (1.5 meters)

Width 5.5 inches (13.96 centimeters)

Weight 12.5 pounds (5.68 kilograms)

Weight fully armed 34.5 pounds (15.66 kg)

Maximum system span 3.6 inches (9.14 cm)

Range 1 to 8 kilometers

Sight ring 10 mils

Fuzing Penetration, impact, self destruct

Ceiling 10,000 feet (3.046 kilometers)

Speed Supersonic in flight

USMC Units Low-Altitude Air Defense (LAAD) Battalions: 3 active duty, 2 reserve

Crew 2 enlisted

[Gordy 0]

As U may see Those weapons are not considered primary, but hey, it's just the game, right

[Major Fubar 0]

Fubar, you ever looked at my M82?

http://mitglied.lycos.de/thekinghomer/Pics/m82-briefing.jpg

LOL - stangely enough, as many times as I've used your M82A1 in the mission editor, I never noticed that!

Cool!