Us presidential election 2004

[red oct 2]

Green Cards will only grant you work privledges, and the right to live in the U.S. but they don't grant citizen status so you won't be able to vote

[billybob2002 0]

Placebo for prez...  

*goes to buy a gun*......      

err....nevermind

Billybob2002 for president is better...

[blackdog~ 0]

I don't even think placebo should be moder... uh, nevermind - I think you can finish that for me.

Gotta love you democrats... always taking everything seriously like it's so extremely important and then when it's proven wrong, backing out and saying "well, uh, we shouldn't be talking about what happened thirty years ago!"

[Bernadotte 0]

Gotta love you democrats... always taking everything seriously like it's so extremely important and then when it's proven wrong, backing out and saying "well, uh, we shouldn't be talking about what happened thirty years ago!"

Aren't you the guy who thought the electoral college vote surveys were worth displaying in your sig, that is until Kerry started leading?

:rolleyes:

[Akira 0]

Gotta love you democrats... always taking everything seriously like it's so extremely important and then when it's proven wrong, backing out and saying "well, uh, we shouldn't be talking about what happened thirty years ago!"

Aren't you the guy who thought the electoral college vote surveys were worth displaying in your sig, that is until Kerry started leading?

:rolleyes:

LOL

[blackdog~ 0]

Gotta love you democrats... always taking everything seriously like it's so extremely important and then when it's proven wrong, backing out and saying "well, uh, we shouldn't be talking about what happened thirty years ago!"

Aren't you the guy who thought the electoral college vote surveys were worth displaying in your sig, that is until Kerry started leading?

:rolleyes:

LOL

Yup. I removed it because I put other things in my signature. If you haven't noticed I change my stuff often.

But your ignorance here is my bliss.

http://www.electoral-vote.com

If I could find the little pic I'd put it in my sig again. But you can now see my military vehicle website there too. One day before the election I'll be parading in downtown San Diego with my M60 machinegun mounted just to piss off some liberals ;) (no offense)

[billybob2002 0]

Gotta love you democrats... always taking everything seriously like it's so extremely important and then when it's proven wrong, backing out and saying "well, uh, we shouldn't be talking about what happened thirty years ago!"

Aren't you the guy who thought the electoral college vote surveys were worth displaying in your sig, that is until Kerry started leading?

:rolleyes:

LOL

Yup. I removed it because I put other things in my signature. If you haven't noticed I change my stuff often.

But your ignorance here is my bliss.

http://www.electoral-vote.com

If I could find the little pic I'd put it in my sig again. But you can now see my military vehicle website there too.

Kerry 211

Bush 327

.....

[blackdog~ 0]

Quote[/b] ]"Today, most American families live on rotting scraps found in garbage cans. More than 90% of Americans have inadequate healthcare and will die a terrible death next year if George Bush is re-elected."

-John Kerry

... I love this guy

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ]"Today, most American families live on rotting scraps found in garbage cans. More than 90% of Americans have inadequate healthcare and will die a terrible death next year if George Bush is re-elected."

-John Kerry

... I love this guy

Yeah. Kinda like Cheney saying America will be attacked again if Kerry is elected.

[Bernadotte 0]

<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>Republican version of what happened:</span>

Aren't you the guy who thought the electoral college vote surveys were worth displaying in your sig, that is until Kerry started leading?

Yup. I removed it because I put other things in my signature. If you haven't noticed I change my stuff often.

<span style='font-size:11pt;line-height:100%'>Actual version of what happened:</span>

Blackdog's signature would have shown this: ...if he hadn't changed it.

Now his signature only says:

Quote[/b] ]That's it! Politics suck! My political signature is gone, and I just wanna talk about OFP.

Btw, Sept 8 was when Kerry retook the lead from Bush.

If I could find the little pic I'd put it in my sig again.

And from the looks of the graph, you'd be hunting for a new sig within days.    

[Bernadotte 0]

Quote[/b] ]"Today, most American families live on rotting scraps found in garbage cans. More than 90% of Americans have inadequate healthcare and will die a terrible death next year if George Bush is re-elected."

-John Kerry

... I love this guy  

Yeah. Kinda like Cheney saying America will be attacked again if Kerry is elected.

The sad part is that Cheney actually said that, and blackdog's quote comes from a Kerry parody site.

(Republican version of humour, I guess.)

[denoir 0]

Quote[/b] ]"Today, most American families live on rotting scraps found in garbage cans. More than 90% of Americans have inadequate healthcare and will die a terrible death next year if George Bush is re-elected."

-John Kerry

... I love this guy  

Except for that it's not an actual Kerry quote. It's from a Kerry parody site: http://www.kerrycore.com/

You know, a joke.

Edit: Doh! Bernadotte beat me to it

[billybob2002 0]

So wrong but....

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/20/news_6107941.html

Quote[/b] ]

New KumaWar level reenacts John Kerry's Swift Boat mission

Downloadable mission lets you step into the senator's shoes--or at least his flip-flops.

Kuma Reality Games announced today that the next downloadable mission for its KumaWar service will be based on Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's controversial Vietnam mission for which he won a Silver Star. Both versions of the events in question--those put forth by Kerry and by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth--will be reenacted in the gameplay. The mission will be available for download and play at Kuma's Web site on September 30, 2004.

[Bernadotte 0]

The following polls were released in the days immediately prior to the Nov 2000 elections:

Gore Bush

45% 48% (ABC)

40% 42% (American Viewpoint)

42% 47% (CBS/NYT)

46% 48% (Gallup)

47% 47% (Harris)

44% 47% (Hart)

44% 49% (Marist College)

43% 43% (Opinion Dynamics)

47% 49% (Pew)  

43% 45% (Newsweek)

43% 46% (Bloomberg)

43% 47% (Wirthline)

43% 49% (Yankelovich)

48% 46% (Zogby)

45% 44% (CBS News)

<span style='font-size:9pt;line-height:100%'>48.4% 47.9% (actual result)</span>

Only 2 of the 15 correctly predicted that Gore would lead Bush.

[SpongeBob 0]

What were the +/- margin of error for each one?

[Supah 0]

What were the +/- margin of error for each one?

Most polls use a 3% sampling error

[Bernadotte 0]

What were the +/- margin of error for each one?

I pulled the data from this page where MoE is discussed in some detail:

Quote[/b] ]On the subject of polling accuracy, many people have asked me how well the final election 2000 polls did. After a great deal of effort, I was able to find 15 polls taken in the final 3 weeks before the Nov. 7, 2000 election. They are listed below.

The bottom line is that Zogby and CBS were the only ones that predicted that Gore would win the popular vote, and CBS can't gloat too much because although its Nov. 4-6 poll was right on the money, its Nov. 1-4 poll predicted a 5% margin for Bush. In reality, Gore won by half a million votes or 0.5%. Harris and Opinion Dynamics predicted ties and the other 11 predicted Bush would win the popular vote with margins ranging from 2% to 6%.

The MoE for each poll depends on the sample size (N). As a quick rule of thumb, the MoE at the 95% confidence level is about 100%/square-root(N), so for N = 500, 1000, 1500, and 2000, the MoEs are 4.4%, 3.2%, 2.6%, and 2.2%, respectively. These numbers are not exact, but are good enough for government work. But remember, the MoE refers only to sampling error. If there were errors in the methodology, the true mean may be way outside the MoE range.

All the pollsters except Zogby, about which I am not sure, used their grandma's special secret receipe for predicting likely voters and except for CBS' final poll, all got it wrong.  Pollsters judge their results not by whether they picked the the right horse, but by whether both candidates fell within the ranges predicted by the MoE. Using this criterion, let's see how well they did.

The poll taken closest to the election was Gallup's poll of Nov. 5-6, the Sunday and Monday before the election. The prediction was Gore 46%, Bush 48%. The sample was exceptionally large (N = 2350) giving a MoE of 2.1%. That means Gallup was predicting Gore's total would fall in the range 43.9% to 48.1% and Bush's total would fall in the 45.9% to 50.1% range. The actual result was Gore 48.4% and Bush 47.9%. Thus in purely technical terms, a poll ending the day before the election wasn't able to get both numbers right.

Note that the polls above were taken during the final three weeks of the election. This year the pollsters have an even tougher job for several reasons. First, More people are uncallable because their only phone is a cell phone, cable phone, or Internet phone. Second, more callable people screen out pollsters with caller ID or answering machines. Third, overseas voters, who are never polled, are registering in droves. And fourth, both parties are putting so much effort into signing up new voters that the statistical models of the electorate used for normalizing the polls are increasingly invalid because they are based in part on 2000 and 2002 exit polls and the electorate may be quite different this time.

[Bernadotte 0]

For anyone who missed John Kerry's appearance on the David Letterman Show, here's the Top Ten List that Kerry read:

Quote[/b] ]Kerry's "Top 10 Bush Tax Proposals" are:

10. No estate tax for families with at least two U.S. presidents.

9. W-2 Form is now Dubya-2 Form.

8. Under the simplified tax code, your refund check goes directly to Halliburton.

7. The reduced earned income tax credit is so unfair, it just makes me want to tear out my lustrous, finely groomed hair.

6. Attorney General (John) Ashcroft gets to write off the entire U.S. Constitution.

5. Texas Rangers can take a business loss for trading Sammy Sosa.

4. Eliminate all income taxes; just ask Teresa (Heinz Kerry) to cover the whole damn thing.

3. Cheney can claim Bush as a dependent.

2. Hundred-dollar penalty if you pronounce it "nuclear" instead of "nucular."

1. George W. Bush gets a deduction for mortgaging our entire future.

[FSPilot 0]

You guys would like The Daily Show.  They pretty much make fun of whoever's president, as well as other things in the news.  They've got this giant liberal fanbase now because a republican is president.  I cant wait to see what will happen if a democrat gets elected.

[denoir 0]

Quote[/b] ]You guys would like The Daily Show. They pretty much make fun of whoever's president, as well as other things in the news. They've got this giant liberal fanbase now because a republican is president. I cant wait to see what will happen if a democrat gets elected.

Yeah, the daily show is great. Just saw their Kerry interview. Obviously they're very biased, but still it was interesting to watch. Some of their other stuff borders on genious.

[kerosene 0]

Check out this link

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/terrornet/12.htm

Its a list of countries that al-quieda has operated in,  guess which countries absent...

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http://news.ft.com/cms/s/276dc9cc-0b44-11d9-b403-00000e2511c8.html

Asked to comment on Vice-President Dick Cheney's statement in December 2001 that the leader of the September 11 hijackers had met Iraqi agents in Prague, Mr Goss said: “I don't think [the meeting] was as well confirmed perhaps as the vice-president thought.â€

[theavonlady 2]

Check out this link

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/terrornet/12.htm

Its a list of countries that al-quieda has operated in,  guess which countries absent...

Mine.

[kerosene 0]

heh, i had a different country beginning with "I" in mind

[theavonlady 2]

heh, i had a different country beginning with "I" in mind

Iceland!

[FSPilot 0]

Iraq still has (had?) plenty of ties to terrorism.  Just none confirmed to AQ.

And shouldn't Canada be on the list too?  Isn't that how they got into the US for 09/11 in the first place?

edit -

Yeah, the daily show is great. Just saw their Kerry interview. Obviously they're very biased, but still it was interesting to watch. Some of their other stuff borders on genious.

I liked their report on the Cooter festival.