Survivability of APCs

[Athos 0]

APCs in OFP presently feel a bit too puny - especially given the volume of LAW/RPG fire that usually greets their appearance. The problem isn't so much that they get KO'ed by one hit from these weapons (though that is fairly rare IRL) - but that all passengers are killed as well.

I would like to see a greater breadth of possibilities resulting from a KO hit - ranging from everyone bales out through to, the currently standard, catastrophic destruction.

[Mister Frag 0]

In real life, an M113 without supplemental armor is no match for an RPG.

Also, I have made it alive out of armored vehicles after they have been destroyed. It's rare, and when it happens, I wind up too injured to stand, but you don't necessarily get killed right away. It only delays the inevitable, though...

[Unl33t 0]

I think the M113 and BMP armor is quite fair.

The tank armor is quite a pain in the ass though. They take too many Sabot shells to kill each other.

I would have thaught 1 shell is enough to destroy or disable it for good.

the LAW/RPG could do more damage to it as well... Or at least disable it when hit in the tracks.

[fixOPFsoundsplease 0]

This is not about armor at all.

Athos has pretty much stolen something I mentioned before here.

The problem is that the APCs never disable,  every kill is total death.  A ural or 5ton will have the boys get out the back and fight their way to cover. Any APC will have the guys inside killed, at least make it so the impact on the APC is more likely to mire it or immoblize it.

(Edited by fixOPFsoundsplease at 12:41 pm on Nov. 25, 2001)

[Athos 0]

Dude - that I happened to make a comment on a topic you may have already held forth on does not constitute theft. Get a grip.

The M113's Aluminium armour may be easily penetrated by an RPG - however - the destructive force is very localised. Ammunition or Fuel would have to be ignited to produce the total destruction so common in OFP.

As for the other APCs - there is a lot of material available indicating they have significantly better resistance to damage IRL than they do in the game.

[ScreamingWithNoSound 0]

I don't know what you're getting at... The armour on the APCs works perfectly, I mean, they stop anything upto and including a large calibre machinegun round. They even take a few hit's from 25/30mm cannon.

Granted, I do agree that the damage for vehicles is too simplistic... certainly, it doesn't take 3 laws to kill a tank... it only takes 2

1. Disable one of the tracks. (Not difficult)

2. Land a hit where the turret meets the hull... disabling the turret, rendering the vehicle totally harmless.

On the other hand... how insane would it be, if every time you hit a BMP the troops inside managed to get out? It would remove the need to balance speed vs carrying all your eggs in one basket. OK, OK, I know that's not what you're suggesting, but you must agree I have a point.

[Mister Frag 0]

By the way, how many people here are aware that the rear doors of the BMP are used as fuel tanks?

That's why they have such and odd bulging shape. It turns the BMP into quite a fiery death trap as well -- all you need to do is shoot up the back with a heavy machine gun, and you have an instant BBQ.

[Athos 0]

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I would like to see a greater breadth of possibilities resulting from a KO hit - ranging from everyone bales out through to, the currently standard, catastrophic destruction.

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Note that I did not suggest that all passengers escape everytime an APC is killed.

Didn't know the BMP had tanks in the rear doors - actually sounds like a good idea (most fire will come through the forward arc).

[Badgerboy 0]

Actually, it was a terrible idea, and the Red Army managed to get it phased out in the later incarnations of the BMP. Mister Frag is right, a HMG will toast a BMP like that, a death by fire is not something to be relished.

On that note, the external tanks on the T72/T80 should not be fixed. They are usually always jettisoned when going into battle. Who wants to carry a highly volatile, easily destroyed canister of death on the back of their rig?