The Iraq thread 3

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Do you have any doubt that there are israeli operations in Iraq ?

Do you have any doubt, by judging the reports from kurdish area and prisons that there are Israeli forces operating in Iraq ?

Let´s call it blindeye , shall we ?

was talking about that single guy.....

Quote[/b] ]In what apears to be the final nail in Donald Rumsfelds plolitical coffin. The general in charge at Abu Ghraib has said there is doccumentry evidence that Donald Rumsfeld ordered the torture at the prison

It seems she got kick out the US because she making all these charge in british press...

[billybob2002 0]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124738,00.html

Quote[/b] ]

Suicide Mission Video Peers Into Zarqawi Network

Monday, July 05, 2004

The camera shows the suicide bomber warmly embracing a group of masked men. There are kisses on the cheek and a shot of him in the cab of a truck — his fingers resting on what appears to be a detonator.

He reads a statement, telling his wife and his companions: "I sacrifice myself for my religion."

Then, as a camera films cars passing quietly across a bridge, an explosion sends up a massive ball of fire.

The scene, purportedly of the bomber's mission, is one of several on a video given to Time Magazine correspondent Michael Ware by men reportedly in close contact with the network of Jordanian-born terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi (search).

The video chronicles what are supposedly the final days and hours of the militants as they ready themselves for suicide missions. Along with scenes of them praying and relaxing, there are individual shots of the men reciting their wills and explaining why they are carrying out the attacks.

"How can I live peacefully at a time when the holy and sacred places have been violated, and the country is usurped and the infidels are encroaching on our country and humiliating our religion, which is ... our pride," the bomber says, reading a statement as armed, masked men stand behind him at night.

"How can I live, and others live, while our sisters are prisoners of the Americans in Iraq?"

The tape does not say where the bridge attack occurred, but it also appears to show the June 14 attack on General Electric (search) contractors in Baghdad and the May 17 homicide car bombing of a president of the now-defunct Governing Council.

Independent confirmation of the claims was not possible, but al-Zarqawi's Tawhid (search) and Jihad group claimed responsibility for both those bombings, as well as the beheading of American businessman Nicholas Berg (search) and South Korean translator Kim Sun-il (search).

Ware, who met with the militants over the course of a year, says the video underscores the growing sophistication of the group and casts light on how it is working to recruit new followers in an increasingly competitive market for funding for such activities.

It also sends a message to coalition partners and foreigners working in Iraq that "we can get you. You cannot stop us," he said in an interview with Associated Press Television News.

The video "is a very, very sophisticated part of Zarqawi's information campaign, stamping him as the star of the new global jihad inspired by Usama bin Laden," Ware said.

In a prelude to the filming of the June 14 attack on the electricity sector contractors, which left 13 dead and 62 injured, the attacker explains that "the doors of hell have been opened to receive the infidels."

In another shot, the car in which the cameraman is reportedly filming the May 17 homicide car bombing of Governing Council head Izzadine Saleem (search), is so close that the windshield is cracked from the force of the explosion. Saleem and eight others, including the bomber, were killed in the attack outside the Green Zone.

Both videos show routine street scenes interrupted by huge blasts.

The video also shows purported attackers resting and joking in a safe house before carrying out a suicide boat attack in April that targeted offshore oil terminals near the southern city of Basra.

Last month, the U.S. military launched four airstrikes in Fallujah on what it said were safehouses used by al-Zarqawi, killing dozens of people.

Edit: Better link http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,660926,00.html

[denoir 0]

Saw a segment on BBC about the northern, Kurdish controlled area of Iraq. I was truly impressed by what I saw.

They've had 13 years of independence now and they have organized everything from a fully democratic political system, a police force and a military. Their economy is booming. There have been almost no security issues (no US troops are based there).

They also gave an interview with the Iraqi National Handball team that had moved there because Baghdad was unsafe. The interesting part was that the Iraqi (Arab) coach was refering to the region as "Kurdistan" - the inofficial name (deeply resented by Turkey, Iran, Syria & Iraq).

Anyhow, things are going very well for them and now they're supposed to go back to Iraq, something that they're not too fond of. A majority wants independence. They are however willing to accept a federal system in Iraq, where they would keep most of their autonomy Å• la Quebec in Canada. This was however the minimum. Any less and they promised to go to war.

Regardless of the uncertainty, it was a very positive and optimistic impression one got from the segment. They're doing really well. Now if just the rest of Iraq would follow, then it could become a really nice country. But things are never that simple of course...

[Balschoiw 0]

Denoir you forget one deciding point. Turkey will NEVER allow an independant Kurdistan on ex-iraqi soil. There are several clinches right now. Turkey is really mad at the US as they restrict their plans to intervene in Kurdistan. There have already been multiple border violations by turkish troops who went into kurdish area to conduct operations. The turks have a vital interest not to allow a separated kurdish state. They will supress it by all means, even if that means miltary operations within Iraq. It´s just a question of time.

Quote[/b] ]Do you like to see masked men decapitating people?

Probably not, unless you have a distorted mind, which I would presume you don't

No I don´t watch those movies. Thx, have seen enough of that in real life.

So what about the gun footage movies from Iraq ?

The streetfighting scenes from embedded reporters ?

Is that any different ?

Do you plan to hack their sites also ?

[billybob2002 0]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....5214127

Quote[/b] ]

US marine hostage reportedly deserts as US bombs suspected safehouse

1 hour, 56 minutes ago

BAGHDAD (AFP) - An Islamic group holding a US marine hostage was reported as saying it had released the man unharmed after he announced his desertion from the military, while US planes bombed a suspected rebel safehouse in Fallujah, killing at least 12.

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The statement, attributed to the Islamic Retaliation Movement - Armed Resistance Wing and read on Al-Jazeera television, came as the interim government postponed for a second time announcement of a set of controversial security measures that were expected to include an amnesty for some resistance fighters.

"It'll be before the end of the week," said national security advisor Muwaffaq al-Rubaie.

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The US military said they had no independent confirmation of Hassoun's release and was still listing him as captured.

Hassoun's family, which hails from the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli, had issued a passionate appeal through Al-Jazeera and other media for the release of the 24-year-old man.

[mr_rOk 0]

@ Balschoiw

I ain't that very old, but my dad took me on a shooting trip in Israel. He and a bunch of his colleagues were invited, and while we were there I got the chance of a first hand look on how a suicide attack looks like.

Can't say I saw the attacker, but we were walking down the street and suddenly this huge boom and dust out of one of the bars.

Afterwards a bloody site, human remains(parts) lying around etc don't really wanna talk about it, it was messy.

Point is we were ~500m away, another 3 minutes and I'd probably be a goner, and for what, because some crazy, fanatical moslem wanted to deliver a message.

Hope this helps you understand why I feel the way I do.

[Akira 0]

BAGHDAD (AFP) - An Islamic group holding a US marine hostage was reported as saying it had released the man unharmed after he announced his desertion from the military, while US planes bombed a suspected rebel safehouse in Fallujah, killing at least 12.

I thought I read or heard that he had already deserted, and that was how he was captured.....

Or did I dream that?

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]I thought I read or heard that he had already deserted, and that was how he was captured.....

Or did I dream that?

Yeah, he wanted to get to syria and it was set-up...

[bn880 5]

@ Balschoiw

I ain't that very old, but my dad took me on a shooting trip in Israel. He and a bunch of his colleagues were invited, and while we were there I got the chance of a first hand look on how a suicide attack looks like.

Can't say I saw the attacker, but we were walking down the street and suddenly this huge boom and dust out of one of the bars.

Afterwards a bloody site, human remains(parts) lying around etc don't really wanna talk about it, it was messy.

Point is we were ~500m away, another 3 minutes and I'd probably be a goner, and for what, because some crazy, fanatical moslem wanted to deliver a message.

Hope this helps you understand why I feel the way I do.

There is a whole other side (or two) to the story.

[mr_rOk 0]

@ bn880

Sure there is. But that would be my life...

[bn880 5]

I know that, but it could happen to you on gaza strip etc. as well. From missiles, tanks, bulldozers etc.

[theavonlady 2]

I know that, but it could happen to you on gaza strip etc. as well. From missiles, tanks, bulldozers etc.

Really? I wonder why?

Maybe because when you declare a war you might get one back?

Arafat's PLO charter and Hamas' calls for Israel's destruction. That's the other side - plain and simple. The other side is called genocide.

We don't go like sheep to the slaughter anymore. Tough luck, BN.

[bn880 5]

Chicken or the egg?

Anyway, this is hte Iraq thread, no need for this insanity to pill over here. And Avon, that is insane thinking, sorry to say.

[theavonlady 2]

Chicken or the egg?

Anyway, this is hte Iraq thread, no need for this insanity to pill over here.  And Avon, that is insane thinking, sorry to say.

I agree.

Thinking there is an excuse for blowing up restaurants full of people is daft.

But yes, this is the Iraq thread. They do that there, too. Oh! But there's another side!

[quicksand 0]

Insurgent group threatens to kill Zarqawi

Quote[/b] ]

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A group of armed, masked Iraqi men threatened Tuesday to kill Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi if he did not immediately leave the country, accusing him of murdering innocent Iraqis and defiling the Muslim religion.

The threats revealed the deep anger many Iraqis, including insurgent groups, feel toward foreign fighters, whom many consider as illegitimate a presence here as the 160,000 U.S. and other coalition troops.

In a videotape sent to the al-Arabiya television station, a group calling itself the "Salvation Movement," questioned how al-Zarqawi could use Islam to justify the killing of innocent civilians, the targeting of government officials and the kidnapping and beheading of foreigners.

"He must leave Iraq (news - web sites) immediately, he and his followers and everyone who gives shelter to him and his criminal actions," said a man on the video.

The video marked the first time that an Iraqi group made such a public threat against al-Zarqawi.

It was issued a day after U.S.-led coalition forces, who have been targeting al-Zarqawi, launched an air strike in the restive city of Fallujah on a suspected safe house used by his followers. The attack killed 15 people, witnesses said.

In the video, three men, their faces covered with Arab headscarves, were flanked by rocket propelled grenades and an Iraqi flag. The man speaking had a clear Iraqi accent.

"We swear to Allah that we have started preparing ... to capture him and his allies or kill them and present them as gift to our people." the man said. "This is the last warning. If you don't stop, we will do to you what the coalition forces have failed to do."

Al-Zarqawi, said to be connected to al-Qaida, is believed to be behind a series of coordinated attacks on police and security forces that killed 100 people only days before U.S. forces handed over power to an Iraqi interim government.

His followers have also claimed responsibility for the beheading of American businessman Nicholas Berg and South Korean translator Kim Sun-il.

The attacks have led to fears that religious fanatics and Saddam loyalists may be joining forces to fight both the multinational force and the new Iraqi government, increasing violence that has wracked the country since the fall of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) 14 months ago.

The military announced Tuesday that three U.S. Marines assigned to the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force were killed while on duty in Western Iraq. Two died in action Monday in Anbar province, while a third died of his wounds later Monday.

Touche!

This coupled with the confirmation that the Marine is alive and free sends a very clear message.The Iraqi fighters are finally realising that Zarqawi isn`t helping their cause which is absolutley true.

While guerillas have been engaging US forces for more then a year in face to face combat,Zarqawi`s group has been comiting acts of barbarism attacking low level targets and always geting the headlines creating an excuse for US to stay in the country.

[bucket man 2]

This might get interesting in a very weird sorta way.

Even though I was pretty sure reading of Zarqawis death months ago he is apparently still alive.

What do the weekend warriors ( ) in here think of? Will the militants capture or kill Zarqawi? Id say it depends on what countries, if any support Zarqawis gang. If the milititants threatening to kill Zarqawi have the support of, lets say Hizbollah then Zarqawi is really screwed.

[theavonlady 2]

Quote[/b] ]C.I.A. Held Back Iraqi Arms Data, Officials Say

By JAMES RISEN

Published: July 6, 2004

WASHINGTON, July 5 — The Central Intelligence Agency was told by relatives of Iraqi scientists before the war that Baghdad's programs to develop unconventional weapons had been abandoned, but the C.I.A. failed to give that information to President Bush, even as he publicly warned of the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's illicit weapons, according to government officials.

The existence of a secret prewar C.I.A. operation to debrief relatives of Iraqi scientists — and the agency's failure to give their statements to the president and other policymakers — has been uncovered by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. The panel has been investigating the government's handling of prewar intelligence on Iraq's unconventional weapons and plans to release a wide-ranging report this week on the first phase of its inquiry. The report is expected to contain a scathing indictment of the C.I.A. and its leaders for failing to recognize that the evidence they had collected did not justify their assessment that Mr. Hussein had illicit weapons.

C.I.A. officials, saying that only a handful of relatives made claims that the weapons programs were dead, play down the significance of the information collected in the secret debriefing operation. That operation is one of a number of significant disclosures by the Senate investigation. The Senate report, intelligence officials say, concludes that the agency and the rest of the intelligence community did a poor job of collecting information about the status of Iraq's weapons programs, and that analysts at the C.I.A. and other intelligence agencies did an even worse job of writing reports that accurately reflected the information they had.

Among the many problems that contributed to the committee's harsh assessment of the C.I.A.'s prewar performance were instances in which analysts may have misrepresented information, writing reports that distorted evidence in order to bolster their case that Iraq did have chemical, biological and nuclear programs, according to government officials. The Senate found, for example, that an Iraqi defector who supposedly provided evidence of the existence of a biological weapons program had actually said he did not know of any such program.

In another case concerning whether a shipment of aluminum tubes seized on its way to Iraq was evidence that Baghdad was trying to build a nuclear bomb, the Senate panel raised questions about whether the C.I.A. had become an advocate, rather than an objective observer, and selectively sought to prove that the tubes were for a nuclear weapons program.

While the Senate panel has concluded that C.I.A. analysts and other intelligence officials overstated the case that Iraq had illicit weapons, the committee has not found any evidence that the analysts changed their reports as a result of political pressure from the White House, according to officials familiar with the report.

The Senate report is expected to criticize both the director of central intelligence, George J. Tenet, and his deputy, John McLaughlin, and other senior C.I.A. officials, for the way they managed the agency before the war. Mr. Tenet has announced his resignation, effective July 11, and Mr. McLaughlin will serve as acting director until a permanent director is appointed. The C.I.A. has scheduled a farewell ceremony for Mr. Tenet on Thursday, just as the reverberations from the Senate report are likely to be hitting the agency.

The possibility that Mr. Tenet personally overstated the evidence has been investigated by the Senate panel, officials said. He was interviewed privately by the panel recently, and was asked whether he told President Bush that the case for the existence of Iraq's unconventional weapons was a "slam dunk."

In his book about the Bush administration's planning for the war in Iraq, "Plan of Attack," Bob Woodward reported that Mr. Tenet reassured Mr. Bush about the evidence of the existence of Iraq's illicit weapons after Mr. Bush had made clear he was unimpressed by the evidence presented to him in a December 2002 briefing by Mr. McLaughlin. "It's a slam-dunk case!" Mr. Tenet is quoted as telling the president.

In his private interview with the Senate panel, Mr. Tenet refused to say whether he had used the "slam-dunk" phrase, arguing that his conversations with the president were privileged, officials said.

In hindsight, the Senate panel and many other intelligence officials now agree that there was little effort within the American intelligence community before the war to question the basic assumption that Mr. Hussein was still seeking to produce illicit weapons. Evidence that fit that assumption was embraced; evidence to the contrary was ignored or seen as part of a clever Iraqi disinformation campaign.

Yet there were some people inside the intelligence community who recognized the need for better evidence, according to intelligence officials. In 1998, the United Nations withdrew its weapons inspectors from Iraq, severely hampering the C.I.A.'s ability to monitor Iraqi weapons efforts. In response, Charlie Allen, the agency's assistant director for collection, began searching for new sources of information, the intelligence officials said.

He pushed for several new collection programs, including one that called for approaching members of the families of Iraqi scientists believed to be involved in secret weapons programs, the officials said. At the time, the C.I.A. had no direct access to important Iraqi scientists, and using family members as intermediaries seemed like the next best thing.

Beginning in 2000, the C.I.A. contacted the relatives and asked them what they knew or could learn about the work being conducted by the scientists. Officials would not say how or where the relatives were contacted.

The relatives told the agency that the scientists had said that they were no longer working on illicit weapons, and that those programs were dead. Yet the statements from the relatives were never included in C.I.A. intelligence reports on Iraq that were distributed throughout the government. C.I.A. analysts monitoring Iraq apparently ignored the statements from the family members and continued to issue assessments that Mr. Hussein was still developing unconventional weapons, Senate investigators have found.

At the time, C.I.A. analysts were deeply cynical about statements from Iraqis suggesting that Mr. Hussein had no illicit weapons, and assumed that such talk was simply part of an Iraqi denial and deception program, several intelligence officials said.

In response, a C.I.A. spokesman said, the families' statements were "not at all convincing."

"There was nothing definitive about it," the spokesman said. "No useful information was collected from the family members, and that's why it wouldn't have been disseminated."

The agency's handling of intelligence on biological weapons has also drawn Congressional criticism. In fact, the C.I.A. relied heavily on four Iraqi defectors to reach its conclusion that Iraq had developed mobile biological weapons laboratories.

But one defector, an Iraqi scientist, said he had been working on a technical program known as a "protein slurry," and that his work was unrelated to biological weapons. He said he did not know of any other biological weapons activity under way in Iraq. Senate investigators did not discover that his statements contradicted the view that Iraq had an active biological program until they read the original reports of his debriefings from before the war, officials said. A C.I.A. official said the agency still had good reasons to use the defector's information, and has been trying to explain that to the Senate committee. The official would not elaborate.

There were problems with the handling of the other defectors used to buttress the biological weapons case. Information from one was used even though the Defense Intelligence Agency had warned in the spring of 2002 that he had fabricated information. The C.I.A. took statements that another defector had given to German intelligence without knowing his identity or learning that he had ties to the Iraqi National Congress, the Iraqi exile group led by Ahmad Chalabi. Mr. Chalabi, until recently a close ally of the Pentagon, fell into disfavor with the Bush administration after it became clear that his organization had provided disinformation to the United States and had exaggerated the threat posed by Mr. Hussein.

One of the most sensitive elements of the Senate investigation relates to the C.I.A.'s handling of intelligence about the shipment of aluminum tubes seized by the United States in 2001 on its way into Iraq.

Senior C.I.A. analysts became convinced that the shipment was strong evidence that Mr. Hussein was reconstituting his nuclear weapons program. The agency concluded that the aluminum tubes were to be used as spinning rotors in a centrifuge that could enrich uranium for bombs.

But other government experts, particularly at the national laboratories and in the State Department, were skeptical. They argued that the tubes seemed designed for use in conventional military rockets.

The technical debate reached a peak in 2002, just as the intelligence community was preparing a comprehensive National Intelligence Estimate, an interagency assessment of the status of Iraq's unconventional weapons.

Seeking to prove its case, the C.I.A. hired outside experts to conduct technical tests, spinning the tubes at high speeds to determine whether they could withstand the stress of a centrifuge.

But the Senate panel investigated the way in which the C.I.A. selectively sought to prove its case with the outside experts in the face of the skepticism from analysts at other agencies. For example, in the National Intelligence Estimate, the C.I.A. disclosed the initial — and successful — test results to support its assertion that the tubes could be used to help produce nuclear weapons. Only later did the C.I.A. report results that showed that the tubes ultimately failed in testing.

C.I.A. officials said in response that only the initial test results were reported in the intelligence assessment because those were the only results available at the time. When later results were available in January 2003, they were reported to the rest of the intelligence community, the officials said. The C.I.A. officials added that nearly all of the subsequent test failures were a result of failures of testing equipment, and that the few failures of tubes were at speeds that exceeded those required for centrifuges. The agency had asked the outside experts to push the tubes to their limits in the stress tests, and so their failure did not mean that the tubes could not be used in a centrifuge, the C.I.A. officials say.

The C.I.A.'s views on the tubes ultimately prevailed inside the Bush administration. Although the State Department's own analysts issued a dissent in the National Intelligence Estimate, Secretary of State Colin L. Powell went with the C.I.A. In his presentation to the United Nations in February 2003 laying out the administration's case against Iraq, he relied on the aluminum tubes to show that Mr. Hussein was rebuilding his nuclear weapons program.

[mr_rOk 0]

It all stinks, now they're gonna blame each other in hope that the voters will get confused.

IMHO this is just sand in everybody's eyes to clear GWB.

[theavonlady 2]

It all stinks, now they're gonna blame each other in hope that the voters will get confused.

IMHO this is just sand in everybody's eyes to clear GWB.

Not so fast!

Who's on the Senate panel?

[Balschoiw 0]

Wasn´t it the CIA boss who told G.W. not to mention the Nigeria uranium deal in his speeches ?

I can remember such. But all, Condoleeza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Colin Powell and finally G.W. Bush ignored this and used it in their speeches, G.W. used it when he adressed the nation.

And now the bosses of CIA who are the TBA tell us that CIA was deciding to go to war ?

No, no, no, the ones who decided to go to war , the ones who ignored all other world agencies and put pressure on CIA and Mi6 not to spread the truth and keep it up with Iraq are the ones who are sitting in the White House right now.

You just have to check what Cheney still claims on his election trip. He claims things that are proven to be untrue, but still he spreads the news.

And G.W himself doubts the credibilty of an inquiry done by congress people ?!?

They are the biggest bunch of liars and betrayers I have seen lately.

And even if they do not lie (well, hard to believe) it shows how incompetent the TBA is. What do you do with a team that fails to doublecheck the reasons for going to war ?!?

I mean great ! The CIA is guilty !

But the question is : Who made them go guilty ?

Who is finally responsible ?

Isn´t that the administration ?

[theavonlady 2]

It all stinks, now they're gonna blame each other in hope that the voters will get confused.

IMHO this is just sand in everybody's eyes to clear GWB.

Not so fast!

Who's on the Senate panel?

It's looking bipartisan so far:

Quote[/b] ]Panel: Global Intel Failure Led to Iraq WMD Belief

Thursday, July 01, 2004

FORT LEAVENWORTH, Kan. — The U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee has concluded that a worldwide intelligence failure led to the belief that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction before the war, the panel's chairman said Thursday.

Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said he expects his committee to release at least part of the report next week, probably Wednesday.

Interviewed after a groundbreaking ceremony for a new building, Roberts said the report generally concludes that intelligence agencies worldwide engineered an "assumption train" that led them to conclude that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

Roberts said various Iraqi military officials thought other Iraqi officials controlled weapons of mass destruction, and that there was evidence that Iraq was poised to become the "Grand Central Station" of a trade in such weapons.

"These conclusions literally beg for changes within the intelligence community," he said. "What we had was a worldwide intelligence failure."

In Washington, the House Armed Services Committee's senior Democrat, Missouri Rep. Ike Skelton, said the conclusions "could very well be correct."

"The intelligence we got, particularly on Iraq and regarding weapons of mass destruction, just didn't turn out to be correct," Skelton said.

[theavonlady 2]

But the question is : Who made them go guilty ?

Who is finally responsible ?

Isn´t that the administration ?

If this Senate report turns out to be true, then a lot of people from Tenet and downwards are those responsible.

I've been saying for a long time that America's intelligence services absolutely stink.

Let's wait for more details. It's very disturbingly interesting.

[bn880 5]

Could be TBA and the others as well... I have no doubt that TBA is ultimately responsible, but probably not exclusively.

[Balschoiw 0]

and by "worldwide" they talk about USA intel, UK intel and ?

"Worldwide " intel those days was opposing the USA / UK intel, can´t you remember that?

The ones with the

rabbit in the hat (head)

*have to love google sometimes*

were the US and UK intel. Our services did not confirm all that made up bull but tried to tell them that they base their war on nonsense, but noone really cared. Nigerian uranium deal is the best example as the former president of Nigeria phoned the US officials about the fake of the papers. He was I guess 12 years out of office when he supposedly had signed the papers. That´s just so incredible.

And he insited that he informed both , the CIA and the TBA.

But it comes as it had to come...in the end the TBA will find out that Bob Hershey, a worker at Whatever Inc. who built together a chemical test that was used by CIA later on and didn´t work the way it should, and this lead the CIA to a dramatic conclusion and the TBA started the war.

Aha.

There will be no responibility for the TBA anymore. The case gets lost. And that is what is happening right now.

A former Iraqi prison boss, some guards and Bob Hershey.

There you go. They are the ones  

Edit: *typobavarian extraveganza*

[Akira 0]

Quote[/b] ] The U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee has concluded that a worldwide intelligence failure led to the belief that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction before the war, the panel's chairman said Thursday.

Ummm...I thought it was the rest of the world (ie UN, France, Germany for one) that said he didn't have any???

Or are they counting the other "Coalition Of the Willing" intelligence (perhaps Palau's or Fiji's intelligence?)

EDIT: Ditto what Bals said...