Musharav escapes bomb blast.

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besides th Pakis have quite a nice SSG squad themselves it ranks among the worlds top spec ops units i heard.

Don't know about the rest of the world but at least here in Britain "paki" is used as a derogatory term (often misused for anyone looking Indian/Pakistani or whatever, whoever said racists were smart?) Perhaps best to avoid using the short form of the word

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besides th Pakis have quite a nice SSG squad themselves it ranks among the worlds top spec ops units i heard.

Don't know about the rest of the world but at least here in Britain "paki" is used as a derogatory term (often misused for anyone looking Indian/Pakistani or whatever, whoever said racists were smart?) Perhaps best to avoid using the short form of the word

LOL Placebo thats a brit only thing i think.

I use that term infront of my Pak friends all the time no problem with them , instead they themselves use it a lot , ever seen there banners in a cricket match?

Maybe they get pissed only if a britisher says it eh?

Paki is short form just as brits and aussies nothing racist or derogatory to it IMO.

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Actually there was a very loud cry about this Ralph just before the day of the test

When Nawaz sharif made a public announcement that if sanctions come let them , we will not let ourselves be dictated or something ... he made a pretty long speech i remember  

But yeah afetr that not much was thought about this until now still ,its stupid though to put a country like Pakistan under economic sanction while NK is free  

it was choice between looking politically/militaristically inferior to arch nemesis India or also put up a show that Pakistan is also capable of making nukes. and sanctions imposed by US is a lot less threatening than a neighbor with a nuke.

North Korea has sanction on them. but that's another topic.

and i'd advise you against using word 'paki'. although it may not be a derogatory term in your neighborhood, this board is read by members around the world.

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[quote name=placebo,Dec. 27 2003,16:14LOL Placebo thats a brit only thing i think.

I use that term infront of my Pak friends all the time no problem with them , instead they themselves use it a lot , ever seen there banners in a cricket match?  

Maybe they get pissed only if a britisher says it eh?  

Paki is short form just as brits and aussies nothing racist or derogatory to it IMO.

It probably is a Brit only thing but over here it is extremely offensive. It was adopted as a term of abuse by the dickheads in the BNP, Combat 18 and similar which I think is the main reason why. Therefore, in Britain if you were to use it, it would be assumed that you were a neo-Nazi. Mind you, our grandparents still use it when they forget themselves, and mean no offence by it, so it wasn't always thus.

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and sanctions imposed by US is a lot less threatening than a neighbor with a nuke.

This is a very wierd excuse for imposing econmic sanctions dont you think? What i wanna know is why do others have to bear sanctions on such incidents when other countries can test nukes in open seas , stokcpile in thousands and even drop ONE on someone and get away with it.

It was adopted as a term of abuse by the dickheads in the BNP, Combat 18 and similar which I think is the main reason why.

Well then i havent seen stupider people then these i hope no one there one day decides to use the word arabs as rcist then we will all be told not to say it out of fear of being called a racist

This sort of racism IMO should be countered back by using the word more often in its true meaning Paki in urdu is a shortform nearly ALL Pakistanis use for their country just like aussie yanks and brits. Nothing more to it and Ralph this thing isnt just limited to my 'NEIGHBOURHOOD' , but all around the world excluding England probably so its unfair i think that we drop a term just because sdome retard decided to think that it would be make a nice racist term. Anyhow i wont use it since people are sensitive to it so end of discussion.

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I think this discussion about the term "Paki" being flamatory is a bit unnessecary.Mind you it's just an oppinion ,but i see nothing wrong with the term as long as it is used in a not flammatory context.Nazi is a flammatory comment to ,but when i use it in a phrase like "the Klu Klux Klan were acting like Nazi's this weekend" then it should still be ok ,because it is on context.The way Ace used it IMO is not flammatory because the whole text he wrote didn't include 1 flammatory remark.

Anyway ,it isn't really up to me to decide on that i guess ,rather to the moderator's.So ill get back to topic.

Quote[/b] ]it was choice between looking politically/militaristically inferior to arch nemesis India or also put up a show that Pakistan is also capable of making nukes. and sanctions imposed by US is a lot less threatening than a neighbor with a nuke.

I can understand that about any superpower in this world doesn't like more country's to become nuclear power's ,non-proliferation of NBC's is an important point these days on superpowers their agenda's.However ,it's typical that country's alligned to and important for the West usualy don't get such sanctions (Israel/India) ,while Muslim country's or Commie country's can rather expect sanctions soon.

In this specific case though ,India is probably the Westerns world future most important partner.India has a population of almost a Billion.It has the economical and political potential to become a superpower withing 20 years that could dwarf the U.S .Afcourse so has China ,therefore superpower India is the most perfect counterweight to a superpower China.Even for Russia India is an extremely important future partner.

Technicly China could claim territory over the Amur river from a weak Russia ,it has good claims for that.But with India behind Russia's back it would be hard to press these claims.

But then ,When India is a valuable counterweight in the region ,Pakistan is a problem for India and a counterweight for it to since it is Nuclear capable.

In the war on terrorism IMO Pakistan could be an extremely valuable ally ,however if that war on terrorism would ever see a succesfull solution then i don't know why the West would still maintain extensive ralations with them.

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We should have invaded Pakistan instead of Iraq.

And start a Nuclear War. Nice, glad to see you thought about that one thoroughly.

How about, stop the gung-ho attitude to the world, keep to your own soil, and stop being so bloody paranoid that the world is out to get you. Newsflash, it's not, and it only is if you make it out to be, and if it is, it's probably your own bloody fault.

If amerca minded its own business in the first place, America probably wouldn't be in the shit America has found itself in lately.

You know, that would be true if it werent for Isreal.

The Islamic world has declared war against Isreal.

Isreal is an American ally, so we will help them out. That causes the Islamic world to hate us.

It is not our fault like some anti-Americans think.

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Quote[/b] ]The Islamic world has declared war against Isreal.

Thats a whole nw topic dude its got nothing to do with Iraq or afghanistan

The basis on which Israel was made and its followup is what pissed off th Islamic world , and a lot of other things i could narrate from history.

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Isreal is a soveirgn state and the islamic world needs to accept that.

Any action taken against Isreal by Islamists are acts of war and Israel has the right to act accordingly.

Oh, and as for that not having anything to do with Irak or Afganastan, that's not true.

They all tie in together.

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Sounds like more of a discussion for ME thread than for Musharev thread

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Buzzzzzzzzzzzzing in.

Thought you ladies might want to have an update from the hotsource.

Pakistani police said they have identified one of the three suicide bombers who tried to kill president Musharraf yesterday, but would not release the name. This is apparently because they are trying to round up the dead man's associates. But it was also revealed that another of the suicide bombers was not Pakistani. This does not indicate al Qaeda involvement, because many foreign Moslems have come to Pakistan to study in Saudi financed religious schools, or join the Islamic radical groups fighting in Kashmir. Local Islamic radicals want to establish an Islamic republic in Pakistan and convert everyone in the world or Islam. The Islamic conservative political parties, which now control parliament, are probably not behind the attacks. But the Islamic radical organizations, which Musharraf has been trying to root out, probably are. Musharraf has basically declared war on the radicals, and it looks like this war is about to escalate.

In southern India, Maoist rebels have taken to trying to assassinate senior provincial officials. As a result, the province has put a price on the heads of senior Maoist leaders, offering over $100,000 for their capture. Violent clashes with the rebels are increasing, with four policemen killed in such a clash yesterday.

The ceasefire in Kashmir is a month old, and at least 160 people, mostly rebels, have died during it. But this is a decrease from before the ceasefire, and there is much less firing by Indian and Pakistani troops across the border. Peace negotiations to finally settle the Kashmir dispute have not started, and there is no assurance that a resolution is near.

Thought you wanted to know that

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India is buying another $2 billion worth of weapons from Russia, including 28 Mig-29k fighters and 6 Kamov 31 anti submarine helicopters. Also included in the deal are spare parts for India's fleet of MiG-21 fighters and better technical support for it's high tech Su-30 warplanes. India also has a deal worth $2.1 billion to build six French designed Scorpene submarines. Billions more are being spent on pilot training, and new equipment for the infantry.

Libyan insiders admit that they bought the technical information needed to build an atomic bomb from Pakistan. Earlier investigations in Pakistan discovered that Pakistani scientists had sold technical details on building nuclear weapons to Iran. A lot of this technology was stolen from European countries by Pakistani scientists and engineers working in Europe.

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Quote[/b] ]A lot of this technology was stolen from European countries by Pakistani scientists and engineers working in Europe.

Hogwash

They lost this case fair and square at the hague whats the crying about now....

The knowledge was purely theres you cant steal a persons brain or can you?

The equipment used was bought from either china mainly or off the black market .

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Ace I think you got it a bit wrong. It´s not the machines they got in europe but the knowledge. It´s a known fact that especially pakistani students in physics had a great time in europe and returned to pakistan straight after they were finished.

Search google. You´ll find plenty of them upcovered.

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Ace I think you got it a bit wrong. It´s not the machines they got in europe but the knowledge. It´s a known fact that especially pakistani students in physics had a great time in europe and returned to pakistan straight after they were finished.

Search google. You´ll find plenty of them upcovered.

So you mean a child cant go to work after studying?

Indeed AQ Khan (one of my fav personalities) was a great Physicist still is he worked on several undercover projects for European nations which he left and then headed to Pakistan on the call of Bhutto to help Pakistan construct the A bomb to counter Indias tests of it.

And if pakistani students studied in europe what did they stole? Knowledge which they learned? Surely this is narrowmindedness that i am seeing if thats what it is .... i can simply make a similiar argument of how europe stole our knowledge and progressed too ...

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Ace that is the interesting part:

Quote[/b] ]Libyan insiders admit that they bought the technical information needed to build an atomic bomb from Pakistan. Earlier investigations in Pakistan discovered that Pakistani scientists had sold technical details on building nuclear weapons to Iran.

not the where-the-knowledge came from one...

Pakistan - Ally in war on terror - Iran - Lybia - you get it ?

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Ace that is the interesting part:

Quote[/b] ]Libyan insiders admit that they bought the technical information needed to build an atomic bomb from Pakistan. Earlier investigations in Pakistan discovered that Pakistani scientists had sold technical details on building nuclear weapons to Iran.

not the where-the-knowledge came from one...  

Pakistan - Ally in war on terror - Iran - Lybia - you get it ?  

Sorry Balschoiw i still dont get it.

So what if Pakistan helped Libya and Iran?

Cant a country have defence relations with other friendly countries?

I think the war on terror was on AQ and company not against whole countries and their populations or was it?

Every country has a right to its defense only western countries arent entitled to it. Besides that knowledge part which youre talking about , then you are underestimating these nations and their people surely not everyones a illeterate fool there especially Iran they are about to launch their own satellite in to space now , they are running US jets like F-14 with their own parts now , a thing which the US is still pondering on as to how .... same with every other US machinery they have. I little bit of sharing might have done not saying that they didnt do anything but whats the point surely the allied countries during WW2 shared their secrets too