Discussion about usa politics

[FSPilot 0]

I don't know why people don't understand this, it should be common sense. When you insult our president, whether we voted for him or not, you insult the entire country. When you say the president is a bumbling fool, you insult the entire country. If you're not careful you're going to get a lot of knee-jerk reactions.

So, unless you like insulting Americans, stop insulting the president. Now I know nobody here is going to stop making fun of the president, any type of change is too much to expect. Just remember that 71% of Americans like the president, so when you prance around calling him a bumbling fool you insult 71% of the United States, and dont be surprised when you get a hostile reaction.

[foxer 0]

I don't care what you call the president.Just leave america outta of it .

[Schoeler 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ 05 May 2003,18:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Schoeler @ 06 May 2003,02:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">People, and especially Americans are too complicated.  Its the price of freedom.  We drive the rest of the world nuts.<span id='postcolor'>

I guess freedom is relative to what one is used to. I feel very free myself even if I live in a "commie state" here in Europe. My guess is that most europeans stereotype you americans as too simple rather than complicated - and you are of course totally nuts  <span id='postcolor'>

I think the blanket stereotype of Americans being simple is just European arrogance raising its ugly head. America or rather the United States (there are 3 Americas, North, Central and South) is a very large and diverse place. Our populace ranges from Harvard intellectuals to Arkansas hillbillies. Lumping all Americans into one set just because the NASCAR/walmart set gets more publicity is simply wrong.

Americans are very patriotic people, we support our nation deeply even if we don't always support our leadership's politics fully.

I personally don't mind if anyone insults our President, I didn't vote for him and I believe in free speech without exception. Go ahead and say what you want. However, insult my countrymen or miscast who we are as a people, and watch out. I can hold my own in an argument and I'm not afraid to belittle people who toss out ridiculuos/fantastic statements! Make a good argument backed by fact and I'll consider your point of view and weigh it against my personal beliefs. If it makes sense to me, I'll alter my beliefs to incorporate it. But then again, most of you guys herein offtopic already have that figured out about me .

BRGNorway, it doesn't bother me that your opinions are left of center. You often offer a fresh perspective that i enjoy hearing from and considering now and again. I tend to be slightly left of middle, LOL but to you I probably seem extremely right-wing. In the U.S. I'm a moderate.

[-CCCP-Stalker 0]

American is a big helper you know. It helped other countries to get rid of millions of civies with their high-precise bombing runs, to get rid of the oil in Iraq and many more. And I think Bush is the best president for you nation. BTW hos IQ=90 which is the lowest IQ of ALL presidents around the world. And abount insulting americans and their president. You are so stupid to understand the warning message Bin Laden sent to you. "STOP DOING THE THINGS TO OTHERS THAT YOU DON"T WANT TO BE DONE WITH YOU !!!" And you know almost no other nation exept americans like americans. If you wanna see it come to my homecountry and run holding you flag. But run quick...

[foxer 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote ([CCCP]Stalker @ 06 May 2003,09:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">American is a big helper you know. It helped other countries to get rid of millions of civies with their high-precise bombing runs, to get rid of the oil in Iraq and many more. And I think Bush is the best president for you nation. BTW hos IQ=90 which is the lowest IQ of ALL presidents around the world. And abount insulting americans and their president. You are so stupid to understand the warning message Bin Laden sent to you. "STOP DOING THE THINGS TO OTHERS THAT YOU DON"T WANT TO BE DONE WITH YOU !!!" And you know almost no other nation exept americans like americans. If you wanna see it come to my homecountry and run holding you flag. But run quick...<span id='postcolor'>

I would do it.Do you buy the plane ticket ? Also can you buy the flag ?     Which country you from ? Have we beaten you before ?   (FLAME)

USA,USA,USA

--edit

Forgot,wal-mart owns.oh yeah, just kidding.

[Oligo 1]

The problems of U.S. are just the problems all the democracies are facing, but in a greater scale, because all the shit is amplified due to the power and size of U.S.

All democracies are lead by morons. It's because most of the population of a typical democratic country are solely interested on guzzling beer, getting laid and/or producing children. This mass of people will of course elect leaders, who want to ascertain that the mass of people can continue to procreate and watch sporting events, oblivious to the world around them.

If this blissfull ignorance is threatened, the moronic leaders will lash out within the limits of their power (a leader of a small country whines in U.N. while U.S. goes to war in case of an "external" threat and stupid laws are passed in case of a domestic "threat").

As a result, we have the current situation, that is: Democracy = Rule by morons.

[Tamme 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Oligo @ 06 May 2003,10:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The problems of U.S. are just the problems all the democracies are facing, but in a greater scale, because all the shit is amplified due to the power and size of U.S.

All democracies are lead by morons. It's because most of the population of a typical democratic country are solely interested on guzzling beer, getting laid and/or producing children. This mass of people will of course elect leaders, who want to ascertain that the mass of people can continue to procreate and watch sporting events, oblivious to the world around them.

If this blissfull ignorance is threatened, the moronic leaders will lash out within the limits of their power (a leader of a small country whines in U.N. while U.S. goes to war in case of an "external" threat and stupid laws are passed in case of a domestic "threat").

As a result, we have the current situation, that is: Democracy = Rule by morons.<span id='postcolor'>

How do you know that all democracies are led by morons?! I know Finland isn't. Do we whine in the UN? I don't think so. Do we whine in the EU? No we don't.

What facts do you have to back up this "argument" of yours that we are some beer guzzling monkeys led by morons? You've never visited Finland or have you? Do you even know where it is?

Tell me where you find a dictator who really cares about the people and is not just after money and even more power.

Peoples intelligence doesn't depend on the government type. I'm amazed that you're not smart enough to realize that.

Where are you from? I bet that your country is perfect, no poor people, no stupid people, everybody has an IQ of at least 250, it never rains, the sun always shines.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So, whats your opinion about the US (I mean politically not like: "I like the hamburgers, but its too hot in there") <span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tamme @ 05 May 2003,19:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nolips71 @ 05 May 2003,19:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">this sums it up, george bush said this "i belive the french dont have a word for entrepener"<span id='postcolor'>

What on earth did he mean by that? I don't get it. Is Bush just stupid or did he have some kind of a point there?<span id='postcolor'>

You are no better  

Bush talks about entrepreneurs and you talk about hamburgers. one is french the other german.  

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Oligo @ 06 May 2003,10:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The problems of U.S. are just the problems all the democracies are facing, but in a greater scale, because all the shit is amplified due to the power and size of U.S.

All democracies are lead by morons. It's because most of the population of a typical democratic country are solely interested on guzzling beer, getting laid and/or producing children. This mass of people will of course elect leaders, who want to ascertain that the mass of people can continue to procreate and watch sporting events, oblivious to the world around them.

If this blissfull ignorance is threatened, the moronic leaders will lash out within the limits of their power (a leader of a small country whines in U.N. while U.S. goes to war in case of an "external" threat and stupid laws are passed in case of a domestic "threat").

As a result, we have the current situation, that is: Democracy = Rule by morons.<span id='postcolor'>

How do you know that all democracies are led by morons?! I know Finland isn't. Do we whine in the UN? I don't think so. Do we whine in the EU? No we don't.

What facts do you have to back up this "argument" of yours that we are some beer guzzling monkeys led by morons? You've never visited Finland or have you? Do you even know where it is?

Tell me where you find a dictator who really cares about the people and is not just after money and even more power.

Peoples intelligence doesn't depend on the government type. I'm amazed that you're not smart enough to realize that.

Where are you from? I bet that your country is perfect, no poor people, no stupid people, everybody has an IQ of at least 250, it never rains, the sun always shines.<span id='postcolor'>

He is from Finland (Turku to be precise, If I'm not mistaken)

And I agree with him entirely. Democrary is the rule of the masses, the rule of the mediocrity. The postive side is that the average citizen will be pleased. The down side is that you can't expect it to perform miracles.

The average person's interest is very limited and consists mostly of watching reality-shows on TV, watching football from time to time, getting laid and getting drunk. Those are all very short term interests and that's also reflected in the characteristics of a democracy.

Democracy has however several big advantages. One is the blame/credit assignement that marks an important step in our political evolution. In the typical dictatorship the dictator personally takes all the credit/blame. If people are displeased he loses his head. Democracy has evolved beyond that. Now if people complain they're complaining about people that they have elected themselves - i.e the blame is mirrored. Therefor working democracies are generally stable systems. That in facto the power in a typical democracy lies in its beaurocratic layers and that the parties that people can choose between are almost identical is easily forgotten.

In a democracy we trade efficiency and rapid progress for stability. And that's not a bad thing. The rapid progress often evident in dictatorships is usually nullified by the next dictator in line who takes the progress in the diametrically oposed direction. In a democracy we have a huge waste of resources for little progress but it accumulates over time, giving a positive development over a longer period.

[Oligo 1]

Tamme, incidentally it so happens that I'm also a finn and Finland is a perfect example of a democracy with leaders who are populistic morons.

Finnish leaders don't whine in UN, because we have no external threat to whine about. But when it comes to passing stupid laws in order to curb internal "threats", we are a shining example of it.

A typical finn is a fellow, who wants to watch ice hockey in peace and ESPECIALLY one who thinks that having kids is the greatest favour you can do to society. That's why the typical mass of finns always votes for the leaders, who are advocating the same family values garbage. That's why we have Tanja Karpela as the culture minister, who according to todays headlines, is Waging War Against Porn.

Democracy = Rule of dorks.

[PitViper 0]

I think the problem is that you believe that Government can, and is supposed to, solve all cultural problems within a country.  I think that often, it is the culture that must solve them itself. Most of the time, government throws money at the problem and hopes it will work itself out.

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote ([CCCP]Stalker @ 06 May 2003,03:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW hos IQ=90 which is the lowest IQ of ALL presidents around the world. And abount insulting americans and their president.<span id='postcolor'>

Where did you get this? I think this was an urban legend flying around. I wouldn't be surprised if they printed it as fact in Russian papers. LOL

link?

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ 05 May 2003,18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The cornerstone of the US Constitution is the right to free speach<span id='postcolor'>

heh. Perhaps there's the right of creative spelling in Canada. <!--emo&

[Jinef 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ 06 May 2003,13:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I wouldn't be surprised if they printed it as fact in Russian papers.  LOL<span id='postcolor'>

Hehe, it is fucking hilarious to listen to you whining about how we bash America and how you don't insult other countries, and then PitViper comes along and your agument turns into a sloshy stew of vegetable fat.

Has anyone heard of Scarborough? It's some US news program that comments on the latest news, now compared to the twat on there i think that Schoeler is the dead ringer of Ghandi. Well anyway this guy was yapping on about how funds intended to support the US troops in the gulf was being diverted by senators to social services and other vaguely useful stuff. Well were watching this and we thought how much bloody support do those troops need, they already call in airstrikes for everything instead of actually fighting and then you look at the British troops, guns that don't fire, sharing out fatigues so everyone has half their body desert and half DPM plus we got vehicles that don't like the desert.

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ 06 May 2003,09:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ 06 May 2003,13:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I wouldn't be surprised if they printed it as fact in Russian papers.  LOL<span id='postcolor'>

Hehe, it is fucking hilarious to listen to you whining about how we bash America and how you don't insult other countries, and then PitViper comes along and your agument turns into a sloshy stew of vegetable fat.<span id='postcolor'>

blah

I would like a simple answer to my question.

link?

That's all I'm asking for.

[Tamme 0]

Democracy is the worst government type in the world, but the others are even worse. It's very difficult if not impossible to make a government that really works and concentrates on the right things.

The family values BS is annoying me too, but it really doesn't matter who you vote, nothing changes 'cause everyone else still votes for the "family values" morons. They should really cut the culture and sport budgets and put the money in healthcare and police funding. Laws are no good if there's no one to make sure they are followed.

I don't think that are leaders are stupid. They just don't have any new ideas, same crap every year. People still vote them every year because they are the safest option. Our government should be totally renewed, throw the old politicians out and don't let them back in. Then have a vote and let some new faces take control. Maybe they could make some changes.

[nolips71 0]

i will be first in line to slag off the americans (as youve probably noticed) but at the end of the day we (england) should stick with out real allies and that is the USA (nomatter how dense george bush is) and not the french or the germans or the russians who weve spent most of the past centurys fighting wars against

[nolips71 0]

oh and the reason why the americans never loose a war is because they know they cant win a straight fight so they have to bring in the air support

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tamme @ 06 May 2003,17:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Democracy is the worst government type in the world, but the others are even worse.<span id='postcolor'>

'Worst' is a superlative- democracy cannot be the 'worst', and yet still have governments that are 'worse'.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nolips71 @ 06 May 2003,17:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">oh and the reason why the americans never loose a war is because they know they cant win a straight fight so they have to bring in the air support<span id='postcolor'>

War isn't supposed to be fair- if a US commander gets his unit into a fair fight, expect him to get fired. The US military is about winning wars, not fighting tragically stupid battles where lots of boys get killed (It makes for some really great sad songs, though, so keep it up if you want).

[-CCCP-Stalker 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ 06 May 2003,10:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote ([CCCP]Stalker @ 06 May 2003,09:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">American is a big helper you know. It helped other countries to get rid of millions of civies with their high-precise bombing runs, to get rid of the oil in Iraq and many more. And I think Bush is the best president for you nation. BTW hos IQ=90 which is the lowest IQ of ALL presidents around the world. And abount insulting americans and their president. You are so stupid to understand the warning message Bin Laden sent to you. "STOP DOING THE THINGS TO OTHERS THAT YOU DON"T WANT TO BE DONE WITH YOU !!!" And you know almost no other nation exept americans like americans. If you wanna see it come to my homecountry and run holding you flag. But run quick...<span id='postcolor'>

I would do it.Do you buy the plane ticket ? Also can you buy the flag ?     Which country you from ? Have we beaten you before ?   (FLAME)

USA,USA,USA

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Forgot,wal-mart owns.oh yeah, just kidding. <span id='postcolor'>

I'm from Ukraine. You'll buy the ticket and the flag. I'm getting tomatos, rocks, Molotov coctails etc. BTW US IS insulting my county by telling that we sold radrs to Iraq.

[-CCCP-Stalker 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ 06 May 2003,14:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote ([CCCP]Stalker @ 06 May 2003,03:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">BTW hos IQ=90 which is the lowest IQ of ALL presidents around the world. And abount insulting americans and their president.<span id='postcolor'>

Where did you get this?  I think this was an urban legend flying around.  I wouldn't be surprised if they printed it as fact in Russian papers.  LOL

link?<span id='postcolor'>

Sorry but I can't provide one. I saw the test result before the election and they where on some american or english site. If I'll find I'll post the link but i doubt I will. And why are you telling that russian papers lie ?

[Jinef 2]

The same question i asked, but the best evasive tactic as shown by PitViper is to repeat or ask a new question.

[PitViper 0]

You don't remember Pravda during the Cold war? heh

[akm74 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Which country you from? Have we beaten you before? <span id='postcolor'>

Have we beaten anyone before?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You don't remember Pravda during the Cold war? heh<span id='postcolor'>

I do remember it actually :-) They have a new name now. Fox News. Unfortunately they fired most trusted journalists for "accidentally" robbing museums in Baghdad.

I do agree there is a lot of anti US comments. I’m 100% agree with Schoeler . Lumping all Americans into one set is not right.

It just happens then US get this “old-good USSS†spot called “evil empireâ€. And I think US will get used to hate coming thru them from many (if not all) others countries. I just hope they will be smart enough to not elect some “US Gorbachov†in the near future.