Waste of Time

[Bosch 0]

Were has online gaming gone when you cant even play a d*amn game if you dont have a dsl connection or higher? i bought this game to play it online and theres only been one person nice enough to let me in his server. is it that much of a nuissence to you cable guys to let a few 56k guys play a few games ....are we really laggin that T3 connection of yours down? Even still today Most people online are still on them old inventions called telephone modems , Some dont wanna pay higher cost for bandwith , most ,like myself dont have any options for dsl or cable . Sure we can get ourselves a $75 month satilite connection , but if you would reallly spend that much money to play a game you should seek help , basicly what im saying is it not our faults we dont have cable our dsl , our parents arent here for some of us to by us that dedicated line , so please let a few dial ups in ..... Its only fair

[JRMZ 0]

dial up pings can be good pings but they can also be very bad. The best thing you can do is check if you have no programs running in the background and that you have turned your firewall off. This will always give you a better ping

[PorkchopExpress 1]

Hey man I dont want to hear it. I host gamespy games on my cable connection, and I often boot people for having too high of a ping. If I'm paying $40 a month for broadband, why should I have someone who is using NetZero and a 600+ ping to ruin my game?

My general rule of thumb is if you have a 350+ ping, youre getting booted, and I think thats more than fair. I feel you pain, however, I remember playing Command and Conquer on a 28.8 dialup...heh I'm glad I'll never use a dial-up again.

[RN Malboeuf 12]

Get the all seeing EYE to help you conect to closer servers with better ping

Guys just out of Town connect to me a about 200 ms

if you maitain  399+ on our server you get booted

I've had the same discusions about Higher end (more AI player maps) they say don't make them no one will play them, (in case of CTF "they're not fair waaaaa waaaa") well us High enders have the right to play and high speeds

to #### to the 56kks no mater what excuses they have for not having Broad Ban I Say

wheres the  kick button

(Edited by RN Malboeuf at 2:24 pm on Oct. 27, 2001)

[Bosch 0]

If ya really look at it 56kers pay just as much as you all for a connection , they got a monthly fee $20 - $25 (depending on isp) then ya gotta get the unlimited pakage from you phone company on local calls or youll have a $100 phone bill , that rings in about $40 ($20 more than the base local call package) so that brings us up to about $40 - $45 , and you cant use your phone to boot Now ive done everything possible to lower my ping (modem boosters,turned offf apps and firewall,lowered my packets) and i still pull about a 250-400ms ping .

All im trying to say from my original post is its just a waste of Time & money for dial ups to buy this game , people with faster connection arent nice enough to let you play

[Col Rambo SBS 0]

I wouldnt mind if the hosts had the decency to say " Sorry, but your ping is bad " but most of them tend to be pig ignorant and will boot you without saying a word. Those type of people can shove there servers as far up there arse as they like, gaming communities need friendships and those guys are not helping the matter.

[RN Malboeuf 12]

We let the guys know before we play and they leave on thier own, even in game we stop to see thier ping so they wait 20 mins just to get kicked off

look at 56k this way

5.6k speed

$20 Average

dediscated phone line

$15 Average

thats 35$

Get Cable/DSL

$40

speed 250-1500

simple math

if you can't afford $5-15 more a month to bad for you,

as for the guys that live out of the area at ma's house on the farm, move to the city #### my Grand Mother has more Computers then I do, she has a 1gig A7V133 and old Compaq 333mhz 48 megs ram and she has DSL

I'm not allowed to touch the 1giger and I sell puters lol

[Col Rambo SBS 0]

Hey, I live in the populated area, but here in the UK, in areas except the major cities, DSL + Cable are not available, and in a lot of cases , never will be.

I have a 56k modem, but due to Brittish Telicoms stance that they dont provide domestic lines for data, Im stuck with speeds of 31.2k or a real good day. Even with thius speed I can play DeltaForce and othergames just fine without any noticable lag. All cable users do is hogg Bandwidth and drag the others down.

[Bosch 0]

i also live in a very populated city, i got verizon for a phone company and i will NEVER see dsl , there just not intrested in getting it to thier customers ....and same with cable , adelphia .....not a chance .

theres alot of people like me that are in this situation , many dont have any available options, no matter were they live

[FMJ14 0]

Cable people don't hog your bandwith. My cable company has its own servers so its not hurting you.

[Unl33t 0]

Somtimes the game can only sync at the fastest speed of the slowest modem. *some* games and internet things that is.

So when you have 5 dsl + 1 56.6 the game can't work much faster than the 56.6 connection unless you wan't to be out of sync with each other.

And thus makes lag. And lag makes gaming spoiled

and gaming spoiled means dialups need to enter the world of technology and move into an area to get broadband or if you already are... you need to get it.

56.6 - won't be suported for too long

[Col Rambo SBS 0]

You think me and other users are going to move home just to get Broadbabnd !, get real.

A survey carried out in the UK showes very few are interested in having broadband, and are quite happy with regular Dialups, so its unlikely that 56k will be dropped any time soon. Unless you play games 24/7 broadband is almost pointless, unless your downloading Warez games or proggies, otherwise the Broadband content is very limited, unless you like realtime streaming porn.

As for Satelite connections, there useless for gaming because of the delay in getting the data uploaded to a Satelite, then back to the servers and vice versa. this is fine if its a movie your watching, cause when it starts you dont notice that it is 5-6 sec behind, where in gamming, this would make it slower than a 56k dialup ( This being you had the latest 2 way Satellite connewction, and not the current 1 way version )

[RN Malboeuf 12]

your on drugs, and your survey is a crapload of directed questions, don't want broad ban my A$$, then why they still complaing it's slow lol, I have a Bridge to sell ya in the UK, 89% of ppl in a Survey said I own it and I'm allowed to sell it.

[Bosch 0]

Dial up modems arent going anywere for a long time , unless the make a good satilte for cheap , were still stuck with 56 k , if ya really think about it most users online are on dial ups, a very small fraction of online users are gamers , and there is probly more people playing yahoo games on 56k then cs right now , i know ill never see broad ban for a long time and i live close to it , ive called and asked both my phone company and cable providers and they said they have no intrest in expanding because it cost so much to set up and maintain...and unleet......is that really true? one 56k guy makes your dsl connection lag like 28k? does all the broad ban users ping skyrocket to 500 ms ever time some dirty 56k guys comes around? how come that wasnt the case with the older games when the majority of the users were dial up ? didnt see host banning people cause they had a slower connection .

Do as ya wish with your Broad ban , fine by me , just less people for you all to play with

[ufo_hk 1]

"A survey carried out in the UK showes very few are interested in having broadband"

- Let me see this survey !!, far out a survey on this topic that bucks every market research that our company (and we're owned by BT and hence share some of their research) has carried out in the last three years. s**t Telecos must be mad spending millions every year to force open and unrestricited competition to allow them to give customers broadband services to meet a demand that one survey says customers don't want.

Whats was the question in the survey?:

Question: Do you want broadband service at $5000 per year. (Yes/No)

or:

Question: Do you want broadband service at a near or equivalent to your current Telco/ISP bill? (Yes/No)

Sure you may not want to move to get Broadband services and in this you would be no different than 99% of the people. But to say there is no demand is utter crap !!!.

56K service will not be dropped just like, land lines have not be dropped since mobile has become available. Telecom NZ released a low cost broadband solution simply to meet the pressure from residential market for a cheap broadband service - why so Dad could download porn? - No because kids where demanding faster unlimited volume internet connections for gaming.

My point is you're entitled to your opinion but get some of your facts checked.

[RN Malboeuf 12]

56k does not slow down other Broad bans when they conect to a server what so ever, we all get larger packets and less time between them, the 56k gets smaller packets with more time between Packets.

Befor the OFP Net code Tweaks it could have been true that56's were slowing us down, thats why so many had different problems or none in some cases

If you think there are more 56k users on the Net then Broad Ban you're Mistaken, 5 years ago this was true, but the fact remains larger Ciry centers with HUGE populations have 60-80% users on Broad ban, we're talking Millions of users in just 1 Large city alone.

There are simply more ppl in Larger cities, take Manitoba where I Live, we are just short of 1 million ppl (800-900 thousands pps) 750,000 live in winipeg alone, #### in one HOUR alone in Toronto you pass 2,000,000 ppl just comuting to work (more in the USA)

Those cities have more users on Broad Ban then the Farming comunities, and our Provice (state) is 2 -20 times larger then half the Countries in the world.

It the same for US states with larger population.

56k is a Dying Horse, sure it will be around for 10 or so more years, but in the end we'll still be making fun of guys trying to use it for games

[Col Rambo SBS 0]

The Comments on the survey can be found in the latest issue of .NET magazine, page 14, comments by Rowland Baker, Editor of Broadband-help.com. Brittiosh Telicoms own figures show 13 Million homes have the Ability to connect, but only 80,000 are using Broadband in the UK, which is not exactly a big percentage.

[ufo_hk 1]

Thanks for info re article - trying to track a copy down now.

I think it's reasonable to understand why a low percentage have broadband - simply a matter economics, Checking some of UKs pricing between 56K ISP connection and broadband options you're into 300% price increase and 12 month commitments, therefore as Rowland says in one of his on line articles "Taking a Broadband service is a significant financial commitment."

Demand will be influenced by cost, so as new bandwidth demanding games come out and competition in braodband offering come - growth will occur. It's similar pattern to other services eg mobile.

[Bosch 0]

WOW ! lol

"If you think there are more 56k users on the Net then Broad Ban you're Mistaken, 5 years ago this was true, but the fact remains larger Ciry centers with HUGE populations have 60-80% users on Broad ban, we're talking Millions of users in just 1 Large city alone. "

Not even close..... maybe in the year 2010  but not now ...  a artical on internetnews.com says that 35 million (45% ) of the online population will be using broadband by 2006 , they also go onto say that only 9 % of the online users are using broadband as of the year 2000 , so last year 91% of the people browsing the net were dial ups , i doubt that has risin much in a year ... heres the link  

http://www.internetnews.com/isp-news/article/0,,8_905351,00.html

[argwarrior 0]

Well I decided to add my two cents. I am currently on a shared T3, though I spent many years gaming on a 56k, so I have been on both ends of the stick.

I am sure I do not need to tell you guys the difference between latency and bandwidth. My connection has ridiculously large bandwidth, and, lucky me, good latency to this half of the world. Yet you have people with "fast" DSL conections with pings of 400 -- especially in the southeastern US, some DSL services have a lag time of 4 or more seconds.

It isn't just about bandwidth; all the bandwidth in the world will not help you if you have crappy latency. I used to get sub 100 pings on my 266mhz 32mb RAM with a 56k, at least in my region.

So, for a lot of people, your in-game ping really has much more to do with luck than with expensive broadband. Don't whine to us about "the state of online gaming" or rant about the unfairness of it all.

If you live in an area with poor latency over phone lines, and have a 400ms ping, and there are no other connection options, then your game is just not playable online from your area, and you should not have bought it expecting to play online in the first place.

As a side note, I always welcome all players into my game, no matter what their ping is.

[Stag 0]

At the prices BT charge, I'm not surprised nobody wants it. If you are in an area where you can connect to NTL, I suggest you do it. It isn't $5000.00 a year, its Å120.00.

Their phone service is cheaper too.

Visit their site if you want to at least look at the feasability of it, If you bung in your post code, the thingmies there will tell you immediately if broadband is availabe in your area, or will be in the future.

Now excuse me, I'll just go back to my streaming porn...

http://www.ntlworld.com/

(Edited by Wardog at 8:32 pm on Nov. 9, 2001)

[Diniter 0]

Bosch it's true. You and I are sharing the same fate with online gaming. I have played about 10 worthless games in total since my purchase early after the game's release. I have since then pretty much given up to all forms of multiplay. Well enough about me. I just wanted to say your not alone in what your stating.

[judas 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Unl33t on 9:36 am on Oct. 28, 2001

Somtimes the game can only sync at the fastest speed of the slowest modem. *some* games and internet things that is.<span id='postcolor'>This is what this thread should be about, IMO. I know some of the strictly military guys here would never come up with the idea of playing CS or UT or Quake, but if they did, they would find that dialup clients have no negative effect on the gameplay for broadband clients. Their player models might show jerky or irregular movement, but that's it. This is the way it should be. There would be no reason to kick anyone because of high ping. He would only be an easy target.

In OFP however, it appears that the world simulation is somehow distributed among the clients, and if the vehicle you happen to be riding in is handled by a modem user's computer, then you will be just as lagged as he is. Maybe it has to be this way. After all, none of the above games have vehicles, and the server-handles-everything approach might not be applicable to OFP simply because of vehicles. Then again, it appears to work very well in Tribes 2. I admit I haven't thought about it that much. Corrections are welcome.

[sgtdwetzel 0]

Well..time for my 2 cents....

As a poor ba*tard on 56K...I say that BIS could have done better by providing something better than GameSpy for multiplayer. I know I know..."Use the AllSeeingEye", but take a look at other game designers....

I also play Nascar4 from Papyrus O/L...on 56K....

Papy uses its own internal MP setup.....and even on dialup, I get pings ranging from 129-192. NO - this is not BS. On plain dialup I get pings that good.

The best I have been able to manage with GS is around 240-250. And no, this is not a routing problem. I have shutdown OFP and jumped into Nascar4 and gotten good pings.

I understand that people are going to want games with low pings....very understandable. Why don't you put it right in your game description...."Ping<250"...is that so hard???

Most of us poor people on dialup understand that if our ping is too high, we are not welcome. I have no probs there either. I ALWAYS ask if my ping is too high to stay. And if it is too high...I say "OK" and leave. Give us the courtesy of an explanation before you boot us, please - there is nothing more rude than a straight boot.

I know I'm rambling here, but it is frustration to try to play this game O/L....I was on last night for 3-4 hours....and ended up rebooting 2-3 times, redialing 2-3 times, and staring at bad pings all night. I played a total of 2 games is that time span - and put up with F**KING spawn killers in both. VERY FRUSTRATING

[VecteR 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Bosch on 3:53 am on Oct. 27, 2001

Were has online gaming gone when you cant even play a d*amn game if you dont have a dsl connection or higher? i bought this game to play it online and theres only been one person nice enough to let me in his server. is it that much of a nuissence to you cable guys to let a few 56k guys play a few games ....are we really laggin that T3 connection of yours down? Even still today Most people online are still on them old inventions called telephone modems , Some dont wanna pay higher cost for bandwith , most ,like myself dont have any options for dsl or cable . Sure we can get ourselves a $75 month satilite connection , but if you would reallly spend that much money to play a game you should seek help , basicly what im saying is it not our faults we dont have cable our dsl , our parents arent here for some of us to by us that dedicated line , so please let a few dial ups in ..... Its only fair

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a sat-internetconnection is much slower than the worst telephone modem!

you get much bandwidth but bad pings because of the distance to the sat.