USMC Sniper 0 Posted January 16, 2003 Read This... I think that the UN should deal with this, since this is comparable to what Hitler did to Jews in WW2. Absolutely disgusting, expecially that the guards are rewarded for killing people at these prisons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted January 16, 2003 quite disturbing, why hasn't this been brought more out into the open? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted January 16, 2003 I agree, let em make shut those camps or face war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chill 0 Posted January 16, 2003 I think the USA are starting their little propaganda machine to rally allies to attack Nth Korea. The US shoild stop their policeing of the world and look in their own backyard! http://www.sundayherald.com/25520 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USMC Sniper 0 Posted January 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Chill @ Jan. 16 2003,01:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think the USA are starting their little propaganda machine to rally allies to attack Nth Korea. The US shoild stop their policeing of the world and look in their own backyard! http://www.sundayherald.com/25520<span id='postcolor'> Look buddy, I don't know WTF your problem is, Â but it the point of this thread is NOT TO BASH THE FUCKING US!!! Seriously, your source had no pictures or evidence AT ALL!!! Â Hmm, and as far as I know, things like this are a UN matter, jeez at least think before posting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted January 16, 2003 i don't wana go to a war w/ them Koreans. we shouldn't even have gotten involved w/ the first Korean war. just quit giving them food and other supplies. that wacko leader will realize soon enough. its not the obligation of my country to go and care for the people of some dictator simply because he would rather spend his countries money on some Nuclear Weapons program. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 16, 2003 Chill, you should stop flame baiting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted January 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Chill @ Jan. 16 2003,01:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think the USA are starting their little propaganda machine to rally allies to attack Nth Korea. The US shoild stop their policeing of the world and look in their own backyard! http://www.sundayherald.com/25520<span id='postcolor'> The entire story is based on hearsay evidence, some of which includes an "eyewitness account" of a US soldier pouring acid on prisoners. The Afghan general involved then goes on to say that any soldier under his command who showed cruelty to POWs would summarily shot. BUT, then the international group investigating the incident goes on to say that it appears that the mass graves in question are being tampered with by the Afghani general's men. Now, I ask you this: without a shred of solid evidence implicating US soldiers, and plenty of testimony that incriminates the people accusing the US soldiers, who are you going to believe? The general who says any soldier showing cruelty to POWs will be shot, or the soldier under the general's command who says he received orders to fire rifle rounds into the truck containers to "create breathing holes"(while the prisoners were inside)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted January 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Chill @ Jan. 16 2003,01:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think the USA are starting their little propaganda machine to rally allies to attack Nth Korea. The US shoild stop their policeing of the world and look in their own backyard! http://www.sundayherald.com/25520<span id='postcolor'> North Korea right now is the embodiment of George Orwell's 1984. Possibly even worse. If you can't see that, you have some problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted January 16, 2003 About the afghan issue: I can hardly believe that a western soldier can do something like that. Even if a soldier is full of anger he will still have something like discipline. About DPRK: Cutting their supplies wouldn't be such a great idea I'd guess. More innocent Koreans will die from that whereas the soldiers will be quite, well fed (if you compare to a civilian). Yes having a war will cause some civilians casaulties too, but I don't think that will be as high as when we would cut their supplies. (assuming that the DPRK won't use it's civilians as human shields that is) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DracoPaladore 0 Posted January 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Jan. 16 2003,01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">quite disturbing, why hasn't this been brought more out into the open?<span id='postcolor'> Every government has a few "skeletons" in the closet. Its just a matter of how you find them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted January 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ Jan. 16 2003,01:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Jan. 16 2003,01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">quite disturbing, why hasn't this been brought more out into the open?<span id='postcolor'> Every government has a few "skeletons" in the closet. Its just a matter of how you find them.<span id='postcolor'> yea but this is quite a big "skeleton" but as i said before, this was something we should have stayed out of in the 50's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted January 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Jan. 16 2003,01:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ Jan. 16 2003,01:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Jan. 16 2003,01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">quite disturbing, why hasn't this been brought more out into the open?<span id='postcolor'> Every government has a few "skeletons" in the closet. Its just a matter of how you find them.<span id='postcolor'> yea but this is quite a big "skeleton" but as i said before, this was something we should have stayed out of in the 50's.<span id='postcolor'> If we'd stayed out of this, north korea would have overwhelmed the south. And who knows what would happen 50 years later? Maybe more camps like these? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted January 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Look buddy, I don't know WTF your problem is,  but it the point of this thread is NOT TO BASH THE FUCKING US!!! Seriously, your source had no pictures or evidence AT ALL!!!<span id='postcolor'> For the facts: I will be sent to Afghanistan in february to participate in an investigation of the massacre of 8000 POW´s that already were disarmed and imprisoned. I have already seen video tapes, pictures, protocols from the executions in desert and the UN is investigating the case. It was not motivated by US as far as we know by now. Present 2nd defence minister of Afghanistan was involved. The problem is that eye witnesses and video tapes show US troops as bystanders at the massacre site. Therefore and for the case itself an investigation is run. This is no bias story but an actual investigation of a major war crime with possible US participation. In march last year a report with question for clearifaction was sent to president Karsai. The UN already had dug out various corpses near Sherbergan. The medical exmination showed that they were partly shot or strangulated. The US and British government was notified of the incident and asked for help in clearing the case. None of the governments replied, the Pentagon only stated that returned soldiers were questioned, but without any result. Therefore the UN decided to launch a witness protection program because some eye witnesses have already been murdered in Afghanistan. One of them was taken to London where he lives under protection. I know this is not related to the topic, but no bias or phantasy story at all. picture of the assumed massacre place Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted January 16, 2003 We have a responsibility to the people of South Korea, not only as a fellow democracy and as old allies, but also because the entire population of SK will be subject to the same conditions as the Koreans north of the DMZ if NK invades. If that isn't a good enough reason to stick around and stand up to North Korea, I don't know what is. Incidentally, I saw the first Pro-USA protest in, well, forever, the other day. A large group of South Koreans demonstrated in favor of the US maintaining a presence in SK, and even went as far as to burn North Korea's flag. Tell you the truth, I didn't know it was possible to burn any flag that wasn't America's... Now, that doesn't mean it would be a good idea to attack NK. It would truly be an 'unwinnable' war in the modern sense of the word (we could win, but it would take far more blood than Americans today are willing to spill). Of course we shouldn't cowtow to the threats of an obviously desperate regime, even if it does lead to (NK-initiated) war, because a war is the only guaranteed way to kill that bastard Kim Jong Il and wipe his horrific government off the map. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted January 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mr. Duck @ Jan. 16 2003,01:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Jan. 16 2003,01:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ Jan. 16 2003,01:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Jan. 16 2003,01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">quite disturbing, why hasn't this been brought more out into the open?<span id='postcolor'> Every government has a few "skeletons" in the closet. Its just a matter of how you find them.<span id='postcolor'> yea but this is quite a big "skeleton" but as i said before, this was something we should have stayed out of in the 50's.<span id='postcolor'> If we'd stayed out of this, north korea would have overwhelmed the south. And who knows what would happen 50 years later? Maybe more camps like these? Â <span id='postcolor'> well to tell you the truth on what i think, the first war wasn't popular at all w/ the public. we had up to 100,000 caualties and for what? all it did was start the uneasy relations w/ the soviet union. the only thing we should have done for the south than was give them some supplies and tell them to help them selfs. its not on any agenda of ares to spill our blood for others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted January 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Jan. 16 2003,02:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mr. Duck @ Jan. 16 2003,01:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Jan. 16 2003,01:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ Jan. 16 2003,01:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Jan. 16 2003,01:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">quite disturbing, why hasn't this been brought more out into the open?<span id='postcolor'> Every government has a few "skeletons" in the closet. Its just a matter of how you find them.<span id='postcolor'> yea but this is quite a big "skeleton" but as i said before, this was something we should have stayed out of in the 50's.<span id='postcolor'> If we'd stayed out of this, north korea would have overwhelmed the south. And who knows what would happen 50 years later? Maybe more camps like these? <span id='postcolor'> well to tell you the truth on what i think, the first war wasn't popular at all w/ the public. we had up to 100,000,000 caualties and for what? all it did was start the uneasy relations w/ the soviet union. the only thing we should have done for the south than was give them some supplies and tell them to help them selfs. its not on any agenda of ares to spill our blood for others.<span id='postcolor'> Ummm...100 Million casualties? Think you added to many zeros. And actually it was "fairly" popular with the public, as was McArthur. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted January 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Red Oct @ Jan. 16 2003,02:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well to tell you the truth on what i think, the first war wasn't popular at all w/ the public. we had up to 100,000,000 caualties and for what? all it did was start the uneasy relations w/ the soviet union. the only thing we should have done for the south than was give them some supplies and tell them to help them selfs. its not on any agenda of ares to spill our blood for others.<span id='postcolor'> sure, one hundred million casualties if you count trenchfoot cases and other completely non-fatal wounds. 54,246 men and women died on the US side during the war, while Chinese and Korean forces sustained upwards of 1 million casualties. And for the record, we kicked the North Koreans asses in a big way. It was MacArthur's dumbass decision to cross the Yalu river that motivated China to join the war and really cause us problems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OxPecker 0 Posted January 16, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Chill @ Jan. 16 2003,01:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think the USA are starting their little propaganda machine to rally allies to attack Nth Korea. The US shoild stop their policeing of the world and look in their own backyard! http://www.sundayherald.com/25520<span id='postcolor'> Very true, this is a UN issue, not a USA issue. If not, remind me why we even have a UN again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
red oct 2 Posted January 16, 2003 your right, i meant to put 100,000 but i wasn't paying attention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted January 16, 2003 Giving arms to south wouldn't stop the north koreans, it would only delay them. Even with western help the U.N. had a hard time holding the north koreans in the beginning. But yeah, it was a mistake of macarthur to cross the bridge. If he didn't do that we had a whole korea by now. A democratic one too (I guess). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted January 16, 2003 This is just horrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chill 0 Posted January 16, 2003 I am not flame bateing Denoir. I am stating in which I think is a opinion, plus I would like to add I am not USA. I am against all killing and want peace on earth. And yes this is not for USA, it is for the UN. Yes the USA is responsible for war crimes in the search for Bin Laden. Thats why USA/Israel dont want to be in the International Court!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted January 16, 2003 You've got absolutely no evidence to support that. Just more flamebait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted January 16, 2003 Yes well, let's leave that all behind us shall we? No need for more flaming in here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
