SA-80 released! It's great, trust me ;)

[.40S&W 0]

Havent seen it yet, but i've got SA80 from Bimbi's Royal Marines teaser.

So you say it's better?

But is there a LSW included? If not, any views on it in next version?

[chris330 0]

Nope there is no LSW with it yet. the next thing I'm probably going to do is an anti-tank weapon for the UK forces mod. After that I'll do an LSW. By the way Acidcrash make sure you have the latest version from opflashpoint.org because my new version has a gear section where the icons are indeed displayed in the briefing menu and the map.

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chris330 @ Jan. 09 2003,07:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nope there is no LSW with it yet. the next thing I'm probably going to do is an anti-tank weapon for the UK forces mod. After that I'll do an LSW. By the way Acidcrash make sure you have the latest version from opflashpoint.org because my new version has a gear section where the icons are indeed displayed in the briefing menu and the map.  <span id='postcolor'>

While I think your model and sounds on your SA-80 is the best so far, personally I prefer the scope on Bibmi's SA-80 and LSW. Also there is another area where his is a little better... look at how his Royal Marine Teasers hold their SA-80's. The hand is almost on the pistol grip instead of on the magazine like on your SA-80. If you could fix this so that the soldier holds the weapon properly and also make the aiming post in the site thinner, I think it would be perfect!

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[acidcrash 0]

aha well done that man! (i had downloaded the old version )

all we need is a decent British DPM solider now and we'd be sorted

[chris330 0]

To make the soldier hold the pistol grip you would have to distort the model and destroy it's accuracy as a proper representation of the real thing, which as far as I was concerned when making it was not an option. The fact that the soldier holds it at the magazine IS NOT a modelling mistake. It is due to the only holding weapon animation available to us at this time was done with the M16 in mind. As far as the scope is concerned it was made from the drawings and descriptions of soldiers whom have actually used the weapon. I fail to see how I could have been more accurate in this area, and also have no intention whatsoever of distorting the .p3d model. I'm afraid until someone sorts out the animations for the soldiers, they will just have to hold it that way. If someone can give me maybe an actual picture of the scope view froma real SA-80 then I will include it in a re-release with my upcoming LSW in coming weeks

[chris330 0]

One more thing to clear up. I have said this before but I'll say it again, alot of people think that those sounds are mine. I must say that they came from Mollusc's original SA80 addon that was released in tandem with Bibmi's first Royal Marines addon some time ago. I can quite happily however take all the credit for the producing of the 3d model, but I did have some excellent advice on how to improve it's accuracy though

[miles teg 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (chris330 @ Jan. 09 2003,18:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">To make the soldier hold the pistol grip you would have to distort the model and destroy it's accuracy as a proper representation of the real thing, which as far as I was concerned when making it was not an option. The fact that the soldier holds it at the magazine IS NOT a modelling mistake. It is due to the only holding weapon animation available to us at this time was done with the M16 in mind. As far as the scope is concerned it was made from the drawings and descriptions of soldiers whom have actually used the weapon. I fail to see how I could have been more accurate in this area, and also have no intention whatsoever of distorting the .p3d model. I'm afraid until someone sorts out the animations for the soldiers, they will just have to hold it that way. If someone can give me maybe an actual picture of the scope view froma real SA-80 then I will include it in a re-release with my upcoming LSW in coming weeks <span id='postcolor'>

Try comparing your SA-80 to Bibmi's. There is only the slightest difference in weapons size and shape. I seriously think anyone's going to notice. Most of the M4's made for OFP anyways are way out proportion as they are largely based on the OFP models. I've only seen two that are correctly proportioned. Also I hope you're not going by actual measurements because even BIS does not follow their own scale. (Their M16 and BMP are examples of this).

At any rate, to me it just looks really wierd seeing the soldier with his firing hand on the magazine instead of the pistol grip. That seems to me less realistic then a slight difference in size of the model. But if you're not willing to compromise the dimensions of the weapon, then I guess I'll just stick with Bibmi's. As for the site, I understand if you are going on what you were told the site looks like. I just assumed that on a weapon site they wouldn't make the aiming section so fat as it obscures part of the visual area of the scope. But maybe that's how the real one is. I don't know as I've never looked through one either. You might check to see if there are any SA-80 weapons manuals online. There should be as I know there are for almost every other modern military rifle.

Anyhoo... It's a good model. Just wish it could be adjusted a bit. But do what you think is best with it and let the chips fall where they may. At least it gives mission makers a choice of SA-80's to use which is good.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[chris330 0]

I've just seen bibmi's new SA80 and it is indeed of a very high standard. As you quite rightly pointed out though this is a community, and the more choice people have the better. I wont compromise on changing the model size, but again as you said it's important to give people choice. Personally I would rather wait and see if we can get the animation thing sorted out. Thanks for your constructive criticism, and for downloading my addon!!

[chris330 0]

This has now also been posted at www.ofp.info

[JJonth Cheeky Monkey 1]

BIS seemed to cope well enough with the AUG, maybe just moving it back more till its on the pistol grip. Anyway its a very good weapon, the sound, scope and model are all perfect its just the textures on the grips, maybe if you make it kinda the same as the BIS AUG. They are nearly the same colour in real life.

Also what about the SA80 with iron sights ?

Cant wait for the LSW

[dm 9]

Heh, SA80's with iron sights....

Only the Cadet forces in the UK use SA80's with iron sights these days, if it hasn't got a SUSAT its got a night vision scope...

[Andrew B 0]

Chris330, I'm judging from the picture as I haven't downloaded it yet, but based on the picture of your SA-80 on page three, it looks as if the magazine is about twice the width of what it should be.

Otherwise, your rifle looks awesome!

P.S. Care to privately view my own AR-180B model?. (basically an American made non-bullpup SA-80 ) My first effort as well, although I don't really plan on releasing it to the public.

[chris330 0]

Indeed I do!! Shit I never thought anyone would ever reply to this thread again!! I haven't looked at it for ages (i've been screwing around with a Bedford MK4 trying to get the poly count down) Yep send it to me m8 whenever you want

[vade_101 0]

was the AR-180 not based on the FN-FAL .. the British army used a version of the FAL (called the SLR) before they adopted the SA-80. a non-bullpup sa80 wouldn't make a lot of sense...

[MadGav 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DeadMeatXM2 @ Jan. 20 2003,22:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Heh, SA80's with iron sights....

Only the Cadet forces in the UK use SA80's with iron sights these days, if it hasn't got a SUSAT its got a night vision scope...<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Only the Cadet forces in the UK use SA80's with iron sights these days, if it hasn't got a SUSAT its got a night vision scope...<span id='postcolor'>

I saw a picture the other week of a Royal Navy rating on guard duty, the SA80 was fitted with iron sights. So there is at least some need for it.

[rambozo 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (vade_101 @ Jan. 23 2003,17:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">was the AR-180 not based on the FN-FAL .. the British army used a version of the FAL (called the SLR) before they adopted the SA-80. a non-bullpup sa80 wouldn't make a lot of sense...<span id='postcolor'>

The AR-18 was in no way based on the FAL. The AR-18 was before the SA-80's time.

[rambozo 0]

Probably best to use layering in your images. I dont know what prog you use for image editing, But you would definately benefit from layering your images.

Also the texture stretching looks like its due to the fact you used a simple planar map. You should look into better tools. Check out DeepUV. Its great for doing UV maps. You can dl a fully functional 30 day trial.

Just some constructive crits.

[chris330 0]

I did the whole thing in photoshop version 6 and I really have little idea how to use it any better than I already can. What is UV mapping could you give me an explanation or point me in the way of a good tutorial? Yep I could do with a nicer more up to date tool. My version of photoshop has a tendancy to screw up the alpha texturing a bit also, other than that I think it's superb  

**Update

The ejection port cover is actually supposed to look like that though as it extrudes from the main part of the gun, and has a cylinder of sorts at it's base, the reason i mapped it straight over like that was to try and re-create that cylinder look. The part where the bolt is however would have looked good if I could have alpha textured part of the main gun out and sank it into the main piece. That bit is not supposed to protrude, the ejection port cover is though

[rambozo 0]

UV map is pretty much your skin layout. Its the part where you asign different parts of an image to the model. It apears that you did a simple planar map and then fitted an image to it. This is easy but produces the texture stretching. Like I said check out DeepUV for this. Im shure its better than what your currently using.

Also the marked image isnt in reference to the model. Its meant to point out something in the skin. Looks like the underside of your dust cover there shows evidence that it was skined over a wireframe image. Had you layered the image you can work on the individual layers and completely cut that wireframe template out. Also its just easier to work in layers. Learn the layering functions of your photoshop. Makes skinning 100% easier.

Go here and ask questions. That is an excellent source of info. Those people know about 3d.

[Przezdzieblo 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Heh, SA80's with iron sights....

Only the Cadet forces in the UK use SA80's with iron sights these days, if it hasn't got a SUSAT its got a night vision scope...

<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I saw a picture the other week of a Royal Navy rating on guard duty, the SA80 was fitted with iron sights. So there is at least some need for it.<span id='postcolor'>

And I saw SA80 with transport grip and iron sights few years ago in HMS "Battleaxe". So I think this version of rifle is used by Royal Navy (Marines too?). From the other hand I read somewhere about some pioneers and engineers troops and artilery crews equiped with no-SUSAT SA80.

[USMC Sniper 0]

Hey Andrew B I have a great AR18 model maybe you would want to skin it for me?

[Baphomet 0]

It is a good addon, only I see there was quite a debate about the overall scale, and to be honest, fudging on the scale of the gun so that it fits properly in the players hand would, since it just looks funny to see the grip just hanging there not being held.

[ThePara 0]

Does this SA80 have iron-sights are the SUSAT sight like the UKF one?

[Greg147 0]

SUSAT by the looks of it

http://ofp.gamepark.cz/shots2/chr_sa80.jpg

[ralphwiggum 6]

please do not dig up old posts.