Congrats to the spanish for...

[red oct 2]

the U.S. satilights were watching this ship since it left N.Korea. two spanish ships came in and interectped the ship mainly because all identifing markings were painted over (which allows for a nation to leagally board a ship) the crew did try to resist capture. the spanish found that hidden in bags of cement were crates of scud parts. the ship was heading for Yeman. great job fellas. wonder who was recieving those parts?

[red oct 2]

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[bn880 5]

They found 15 scud missliles and warheads, under thousands of bags of cement. It is not yet known what the final destination was.

Or so I heard.

Wonder what we would find on a shipment from US to Israel... probably much deadlier weapons, but not even hidden.

[VXR 9]

heh nice capture hopefully they will catch more of that guys

[Sadico 1]

Yemen says they bought the missiles for their army, and they want them back!  

CNN article

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sadico @ Dec. 11 2002,15:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yemen says they bought the missiles for their army, and they want them back!  

CNN article<span id='postcolor'>

Yepp, I wonder what international maritime law states about this

Yemen has every right to protest.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> One U.S. official said the missile discovery confirms U.S. suspicions that North Korea is a significant weapons proliferator, but is not expected to alter U.S. policy toward the communist country.

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proliferator? I have to look this up very carefully in the dictionary, because these U.S. guys make it sound like a crime, no one they do not like can make/sell/have weapons!!!!!? Bastards... Biggest proliferator is probably becoming the U.S. themselves. What's with the double standards?

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Dec. 11 2002,09:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sadico @ Dec. 11 2002,15:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yemen says they bought the missiles for their army, and they want them back!

CNN article<span id='postcolor'>

Yepp, I wonder what international maritime law states about this

Yemen has every right to protest.<span id='postcolor'>

I think the warheads may have already been damaged by U.S. forces. They disarmed them, but how much?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> "North Korea, as Dr. [Condoleezza] Rice, our national security adviser, has said time and again, is one of the major proliferators and it appears that they are busy proliferating again.

<span id='postcolor'> Lol, proliferate this... Now the U.S. knows what to do, out-preliferate the competition.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 11 2002,15:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Dec. 11 2002,09:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sadico @ Dec. 11 2002,15:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yemen says they bought the missiles for their army, and they want them back!  

CNN article<span id='postcolor'>

Yepp, I wonder what international maritime law states about this

Yemen has every right to protest.<span id='postcolor'>

I think the warheads may have already been damaged by U.S. forces.     They disarmed them, but how much? <span id='postcolor'>

If they damaged the warheads, then they would have to replace them or pay damages.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 11 2002,15:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They found 15 scud missliles and warheads, under thousands of bags of cement. It is not yet known what the final destination was.

Or so I heard.

Wonder what we would find on a shipment from US to Israel... probably much deadlier weapons, but not even hidden. <span id='postcolor'>

If there was a rolling eyes emoticon I would have used it....

Thought this was about a Spanish ship finding North Korea OBVIOUSLY smuggling weapons (weapons that can be used to deliver WMDs) to the Middle East?

Apaprently not...its about the US again....

*insert rolling eyes emoticon*

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Dec. 11 2002,09:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 11 2002,15:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They found 15 scud missliles and warheads, under thousands of bags of cement. It is not yet known what the final destination was.

Or so I heard.

Wonder what we would find on a shipment from US to Israel... probably much deadlier weapons, but not even hidden. <span id='postcolor'>

If there was a rolling eyes emoticon I would have used it....

Thought this was about a Spanish ship finding North Korea OBVIOUSLY smuggling weapons (weapons that can be used to deliver WMDs) to the Middle East?

Apaprently not...its about the US again....

*insert rolling eyes emoticon*<span id='postcolor'>

You can roll your eyes as much as you want, the U.S. is beating the war drumbs loud and clear, they are everywhere, in every story regarding conflicts... sorry to disappoint you pal!

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Dec. 11 2002,15:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sadico @ Dec. 11 2002,15:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yemen says they bought the missiles for their army, and they want them back!

CNN article<span id='postcolor'>

Yepp, I wonder what international maritime law states about this

Yemen has every right to protest.<span id='postcolor'>

What about maritime law?

Maritime law apparently states that if country symbols and recognition symbols aren't apparent that the ship can be boarded...so it was.

Also if Yemen had bought this missles legally...then why did they have to be hidden in cement crates??

Lets look at the bigger picture and quit trying to reduce everything to some sort of US policy bashing *again insert rolling eyes emoticon*

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 11 2002,16:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Dec. 11 2002,09:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 11 2002,15:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They found 15 scud missliles and warheads, under thousands of bags of cement. It is not yet known what the final destination was.

Or so I heard.

Wonder what we would find on a shipment from US to Israel... probably much deadlier weapons, but not even hidden. <span id='postcolor'>

If there was a rolling eyes emoticon I would have used it....

Thought this was about a Spanish ship finding North Korea OBVIOUSLY smuggling weapons (weapons that can be used to deliver WMDs) to the Middle East?

Apaprently not...its about the US again....

*insert rolling eyes emoticon*<span id='postcolor'>

You can roll your eyes as much as you want, the U.S. is beating the war drumbs loud and clear, they are everywhere, in every story regarding conflicts... sorry to disappoint you pal!<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah and?

Try to look at something from a different "US" aspect.

North Korea is smuggling missile parts to the Middle East. Is that good? I think not. Whats it mean? Dunno.

But like I said before. If Yemen had purchased the missiles legally then why did they have to be put on an unmarked ship, and hidden under concrete??

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Dec. 11 2002,10:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Dec. 11 2002,15:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sadico @ Dec. 11 2002,15:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yemen says they bought the missiles for their army, and they want them back!

CNN article<span id='postcolor'>

Yepp, I wonder what international maritime law states about this

Yemen has every right to protest.<span id='postcolor'>

What about maritime law?

Maritime law apparently states that if country symbols and recognition symbols aren't apparent that the ship can be boarded...so it was.

Also if Yemen had bought this missles legally...then why did they have to be hidden in cement crates??

Lets look at the bigger picture and quit trying to reduce everything to some sort of US policy bashing *again insert rolling eyes emoticon*<span id='postcolor'>

Ok, rolling your eyes again? You are once again defending the US, so... anyway, maritime law is right, but if Yemeni officials ordered the missiles, it is not their fault of the Koreans tried to hide the shipment.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Dec. 11 2002,16:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also if Yemen had bought this missles legally...then why did they have to be hidden in cement crates??<span id='postcolor'>

Yemen isn't responsible for shipping, North Korea is. Ask the North Koreans, not the Yemenis.

Yemen stated internationally that they legally bought these missiles.

Do you say you support the US move to stop international weapons trading? Do you want a monopoly in that just like Microsoft?

Because this is what this whole farce is turning into.

FFS, you won't even let countries buy their weapons, this is getting ridiculous.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I dont understand why they are allowed to take those missiles away from them? Yemen is neither threatening anyone nor do those weapons indicate any teroristic intents.

It is surprising that some nations in the world own thousands of war-heads and call any "normal" missile in the hands of someone else a "threat".

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Dec. 11 2002,10:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah and?

Try to look at something from a different "US" aspect.

North Korea is smuggling missile parts to the Middle East. Is that good? I think not. Whats it mean? Dunno.<span id='postcolor'>

AND? Double standard... that's the point, the OTHER side which is Israel in the middle east is supplied with arms and funding from the US.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Besides, arms are not being "smuggled", the Yemeni Foreign Minister has already said that there are legal documents that have been signed.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Dec. 11 2002,10:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I dont understand why they are allowed to take those missiles away from them? Yemen is neither threatening anyone nor do those weapons indicate any teroristic intents.

It is surprising that some nations in the world own thousands of war-heads and call any "normal" missile in the hands of someone else a "threat".<span id='postcolor'>

Well, we will see what happens, I think because the Koreans were concealing the shipment, the army guys decided this is an "illegal" shipment heading to, of all things, terrorists or the evil people.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 11 2002,16:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ Dec. 11 2002,105)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I dont understand why they are allowed to take those missiles away from them? Yemen is neither threatening anyone nor do those weapons indicate any teroristic intents.

It is surprising that some nations in the world own thousands of war-heads and call any "normal" missile in the hands of someone else a "threat".<span id='postcolor'>

Well, we will see what happens, I think because the Koreans were concealing the shipment, the army guys decided this is an "illegal" shipment heading to, of all things, terrorists or the evil people.  <span id='postcolor'>

But it is in the second Amendment! Yemen has the right to own missiles for self-protection. I mean look at the NRA Homepage there we learn that free weapons actually prevent far more crimes than they cause! Therefore FREE NUKES for Yemen (and another beer for Albert!.

[ZIKAN 0]

I think its been stated in the past that in Yemen there are a few religious groups who support Bin Laden and his recent actions aswell as other terrorist groups. Its no surprising the US is getting involved in policing the high seas around these countries, who say one thing than do another.

Despite this Yemen is not a member of a anti-proliferation treaty. So it can buy what it likes, even though its meant to be a partner on 'the war on terror' with the US.

I guess its the 'Do as I say, not as I do ' syndrome again...

Whats more worrying is North Korea, what the ***k are they up too?

[Balschoiw 0]

This is a great story

Ridiculouse...

[Longinius 1]

"Maritime law apparently states that if country symbols and recognition symbols aren't apparent that the ship can be boarded...so it was.

Also if Yemen had bought this missles legally...then why did they have to be hidden in cement crates??"

They might have hidden it because of fear of pirates. Pirates are a very real threat in the asian waters, and on the coasts of Africa. Many ships have been boarded and siezed. Pirates would be in criminal heaven if they found a ship with missiles. A ship carrying concrete however, is probably not as interesting.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Dec. 11 2002,16:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Dec. 11 2002,161)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also if Yemen had bought this missles legally...then why did they have to be hidden in cement crates??<span id='postcolor'>

Yemen isn't responsible for shipping, North Korea is. Ask the North Koreans, not the Yemenis.

Yemen stated internationally that they legally bought these missiles.

Do you say you support the US move to stop international weapons trading? Do you want a monopoly in that just like Microsoft?

Because this is what this whole farce is turning into.

FFS, you won't even let countries buy their weapons, this is getting ridiculous.<span id='postcolor'>

I don't care if Yemen buys weapons from China, Russia, the US, or Luxembourg. That isn't the issue at all so don't try and make it one.

If Yemen legally bought them then thats all good and fine...let em have their little SCUDs. It the way in which they were SHIPPED that bothers me. It smacks of something rotten.

And why WOULDN'T Yemen be at least partly responsible? Are they NOT their missiles? Don't you think they COULD have sent their own ship. Or even better tell the North Koreans to NOT act suspicious?

And what the hell does Microsoft have anything to do with it? And don't use "you"...you think I get a piece of the MS fortune...man are you mistaken. I'm that shitbird Bill Gates' bitch like most of the world.

What I don't get is how all of a sudden the US won't let anyone buy arms. Where the hell does THAT come from. Certainly not from any facts or proof. The US was tracking a suspicious ship with NO MARKINGS. It was stopped and searched. So be it. I don't see the US stopping shipments to any other country. But nope naturally the immediate reaction is the US is policing the sea. Gimme a break.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Dec. 11 2002,16:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Maritime law apparently states that if country symbols and recognition symbols aren't apparent that the ship can be boarded...so it was.

Also if Yemen had bought this missles legally...then why did they have to be hidden in cement crates??"

They might have hidden it because of fear of pirates. Pirates are a very real threat in the asian waters, and on the coasts of Africa. Many ships have been boarded and siezed. Pirates would be in criminal heaven if they found a ship with missiles. A ship carrying concrete however, is probably not as interesting.<span id='postcolor'>

Crews from the Spanish ships Navarra and Patino stopped the unflagged ship Sosan east of the island of Socotora and called U.S. authorities for assistance, Martinez said. The Spanish navy stopped and boarded the ship after its crew refused to identify themselves.

The North Korean captain of the Sosan initially told Spanish officials the ship was carrying cement. The missiles were discovered shortly thereafter, Martinez said.

Then why after knowing it was a Spanish ship, did the Captain still say they were only carry cement? Clearly the Spanish Navy aren't pirates.

Or will you suggest the Captain had no knowledge that he was carry missile parts?