The Iraq Thread

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Jan. 24 2003,00:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Great, now we have to bomb Cuba. <span id='postcolor'>

Did you read the article or just the fact that it mentioned Cubans and terrorism? It deals with right-wing Cuban terrorist organizations based largely in the US and attacking Cuban interests .

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Jan. 24 2003,00:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, since we're going into the "Harbouring Terrorists" discussion, I should point this out: Cuban Exile Terrorism<span id='postcolor'>

I noticed that note was from 1979.

Is there anything more recent?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Jan. 24 2003,05:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Did you read the article or just the fact that it mentioned Cubans and terrorism? It deals with right-wing Cuban terrorist organizations based largely in the US and attacking Cuban interests .<span id='postcolor'>

I was just commenting on the part about terrorists in America.

Unless Castro has been harboring terrorists we won't be bombing him any time soon.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Jan. 24 2003,00:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You can say many things about Saddam, but that he is stupid is not one of them. After the WTC attacks you didn't have to be especially bright to realize that some serious shit was about to happen. With another Bush on the throne Iraq's position was already weak. There is no way in hell Saddam would have allowed any AQ connections in Iraq. That would be suicidal.

I wouldn't be surprised if Iraq has statistically less AQ elements then other countries in the world. I can imagine that the first order of business for Saddam after the WTC attacks was to kick out any possible terrorist suspects out of the country. Iraq would be such an obvious patsy.

I guess that's also why nobody has been able to point out any real terrorist connections with Iraq. Terrorist leaders have been found all over Europe and USA, but not Iraq.<span id='postcolor'>

Why dismiss this, especially when it comes from Jordanian sources, no great lovers of the US and against the war on Iraq?

It has been mentioned numerous times on this thread that Iraq's only real option to strike back at the US would be through terrorists. So now that that option has possibly come about, now Saddam is not that stupid? That makes no sense.

I have no doubt that AQ is likely not basing out of Iraq right now. That would be stupid given the attention Iraq is recieving, and the possibility of war looming. But that does not reduce the change that possible AQ operatives arrived in Iraq for what ever reasons, including but not limited to consulations with Iraqi Intelligence for possible attacks against US interests, and personnel (ie sited attack on US ambassador).

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,01:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Jan. 24 2003,00:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, since we're going into the "Harbouring Terrorists" discussion, I should point this out: Cuban Exile Terrorism<span id='postcolor'>

I noticed that note was from 1979.

Is there anything more recent?<span id='postcolor'>

Sure is:

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/posada/posada4.htm

And for those who would consider a "biased" source:

http://cubasocialista.com/terror90aeng.htm

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Jan. 24 2003,01:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sure is:

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/~delacova/posada/posada4.htm

And for those who would consider a "biased" source:

http://cubasocialista.com/terror90aeng.htm<span id='postcolor'>

Good enough for me...

MIG Shootdown

I heard about this when it happened.

Seems to be an ongoing "war."

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,01:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">MIG Shootdown

I heard about this when it happened.

Seems to be an ongoing "war.<span id='postcolor'>

Indeed it is a sort of war, similar to the one the US is waging against muslim extreemists. If you read my second link, the organization that flew the planes which were shot down, "Hermanos Al Rescate" has been accused by Cuba of comitting terrorist acts, and they themselves have admitted that they have violated Cuban airspace on several occasions, although they deny having done so on the day of the shootdowns.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Jan. 24 2003,01:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,01:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">MIG Shootdown

I heard about this when it happened.

Seems to be an ongoing "war.<span id='postcolor'>

Indeed it is a sort of war, similar to the one the US is waging against muslim extreemists. If you read my second link, the organization that flew the planes which were shot down, "Hermanos Al Rescate" has been accused by Cuba of comitting terrorist acts, and they themselves have admitted that they have violated Cuban airspace on several occasions, although they deny having done so on the day of the shootdowns.<span id='postcolor'>

I'm sure they have violated Cuban airspace before. But this time they didn't. Also I don't think 3 Cessnas are a big threat to Cuban soveriegnty.

If it was a planned assassination of terrorist operatives that is one thing, but in International airspace that violates a number of International Laws I would say.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,01:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm sure they have violated Cuban airspace before. But this time they didn't. Also I don't think 3 Cessnas are a big threat to Cuban soveriegnty.

If it was a planned assassination of terrorist operatives that is one thing, but in International airspace that violates a number of International Laws I would say.<span id='postcolor'>

Cuba says they did, the US and "Hermanos Al Rescate" say they didn't. In my opinion, neither side has much credibility on the issue, so who you believe has a lot to do with who you side with, and in my case, I don't like either side. The fact is though they had done it before and they have been accused of assisting and training other terrorists to carry out attacks against Cuba (not related to their flights). During the late 70's and early 80's, light crop-dusting planes flying from the US were accused of spraying Cuban crops with agricultural plagues, so I can see how admitted violations of Cuban airspace can be a problem. How do you think the US would act if a cessna owned by Al-Quaeda flew over or even near the US?

Also an interesting note: some of the planes flown by "Hermanos Al Rescate" wore USAF insignia

[Jinef 2]

Ahh the American way... If you don't like it - bomb it so no one can like it.

While your on a bombing spree can you do Northern Ireland as well? You know it would save us all a lot of trouble if America went in and dealt with it as it's a war on terrorism and Northern Ireland has a history for that stuff and the British have been there far too long in my opinion.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Jan. 24 2003,01:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,01:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm sure they have violated Cuban airspace before. But this time they didn't. Also I don't think 3 Cessnas are a big threat to Cuban soveriegnty.

If it was a planned assassination of terrorist operatives that is one thing, but in International airspace that violates a number of International Laws I would say.<span id='postcolor'>

Cuba says they did, the US and "Hermanos Al Rescate" say they didn't. In my opinion, neither side has much credibility on the issue, so who you believe has a lot to do with who you side with, and in my case, I don't like either side. The fact is though they had done it before and they have been accused of assisting and training other terrorists to carry out attacks against Cuba (not related to their flights). During the late 70's and early 80's, light crop-dusting planes flying from the US were accused of spraying Cuban crops with agricultural plagues, so I can see how admitted violations of Cuban airspace can be a problem. How do you think the US would act if a cessna owned by Al-Quaeda flew over or even near the US?

Also an interesting note: some of the planes flown by "Hermanos Al Rescate" wore USAF insignia<span id='postcolor'>

Yes but one can't tell who owns the plane or who is flying it by radar signature.

I suppose one can gauge its attitude by its course, trajectory, altitude and the like.

Cessnas violate US airspace all the time (drug runners) but are not shot down.

My guess is in this instance both sides are somewhat right. I'm sure the Cessnas might have been skirting Cuban air space, or even dodging in and out of their air space. Without the radar tapes I couldn't say though.

USAF insignias? Any pictures or stories? Were they from the 60s when the US actually supported these fools? Or "auction" items?

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What right do US courts have to judge foreign countries when USA don't even approve the international criminal court (ICC).

I admit that shooting down a cessna appears to be quite stupid.

But USA have shot down a Iranian passanger plane.

Here's some info about it.

The captain of USS Vincennes was awarded with a medal.

They also sunk Iranian patrol boats on iranian territory.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 24 2003,02:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What right do US courts have to judge foreign countries when USA don't even approve the international criminal court (ICC).

I admit that shooting down a cessna appears to be quite stupid.

But USA have shot down a Iranian passanger plane.

Here's some info about it.

The captain of USS Vincennes was awarded with a medal.

They also sunk Iranian patrol boats on iranian territory.<span id='postcolor'>

USS Stark

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,01:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes but one can't tell who owns the plane or who is flying it by radar signature.<span id='postcolor'>

The Cubans knew that they were coming that day. There's a pretty long story behind this, perhaps I'll look for it (unfortunately I have other things to do tonight). Some years before the shoot down, a Cuban MiG pilot "defected" to the US and joined "Hermanos Al Rescate" - He was actually a spy. He Worked with them for quite a long time, and shortly before a scheduled flight by them he dissapeared - that's right, back to Cuba. The MiGs were waiting for them that day, one reason they had not gotten them before was because they flew their missions low and slow and undetected by Cuban radar, but this time the Cubans had their flight plan.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">USAF insignias? Any pictures or stories? Were they from the 60s when the US actually supported these fools? Or "auction" items?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">May 15, 1991. José Basulto, ex mercenary in the Bay of Pigs invasion, and agent of the CIA, with a history of terrorism, begins the operations of "Hermanos al Rescate" Playa and asks and receives from George Bush 3 small US air force planes model 0-2, the same one used during the war in El Salvador. The congresswoman Ileana Ross makes a public campaign for the planes, and they are given to the organization. On July 19, 1992 photos of the 3 planes given to the counterrevolutionary group appear in the Miami Herald, clearly showing the insignia of the USAF.

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June 26, 1996. In a session of the Organization Civil Aviation the president of the investigaive branch of the organization afirms that at least one of the planes utilized by the "Hermanos al Rescate" in the airport of Opa-locka still has the insignia of USAF.<span id='postcolor'>

*edit again* couldn't find the spy story, but I did find something else interesting - radio transcripts of conversations between the Cessna's and Cuban air-traffic control, as well as conversations between the MiG pilots. According to this, the MiG's DID make a warning pass, and Civilian Air Traffic Control in Havana even warned the planes that the area they were planning to operate around was "active" and dangerous:

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Cessna 3 (to Havana) : (Pause) For your information, the area of our operations (is) to the north of Havana today. So we will be in your area in contact with you. Give him cordial greetings from Brothers to the Rescue, from its president, Jose Basulto, who is talking.

Havana (to Cessna 3) : Sir, be informed that the zone north of Havana is activated, (garble) you, danger behind 24 north parallel.

Cessna 3 (to Havana) : We are aware that we are in danger each time we cross the area to the south of the 24th but we are willing to do it as free Cubans.

Havana (to Cessna 3) : Thanks, copy that information.

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MiG-29 (to Ground Control) : Instructions.

MiG-23 (to Ground control) : Listen, authorize me (stops).

Mig-29 (to Ground Control) : We are going to give it a pass, we are going to give it a pass.

MiG-23 (to MiG-29) : If we give it a pass, it will complicate things.

MiG-29 (to MiG-23) : We are going to give it a pass.

MiG-23 (Ground Control) : Talk, talk, (imperative mood).

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Transcript here

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">then to Kurdish-controlled areas of northern Iraq, where Ansar al-Islam, a group linked to al Qaeda, operates<span id='postcolor'>

nobody seems to read this. If you knew Saddams sympathy for the Kurds you´d know that this terrorist can´t be linked with him. By the way. There is no fence around Iraq and US also does not know how many illegal inhabitants it has , do they ?

If someone wants to enter and pass your territory unnoticed he will be able to. The destination of the terrorist at the Kurd region does show that Saddam and he can´t be linked. You also may have missed that "may" word that is used very often in the article and also in the headline. Speculation.

[llauma 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,02:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 24 2003,025)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What right do US courts have to judge foreign countries when USA don't even approve the international criminal court (ICC).

I admit that shooting down a cessna appears to be quite stupid.

But USA have shot down a Iranian passanger plane.

Here's some info about it.

The captain of USS Vincennes was awarded with a medal.

They also sunk Iranian patrol boats on iranian territory.<span id='postcolor'>

USS Stark<span id='postcolor'>

It's no use the counter with another incident.

It will just end up with Hiroshima and you wont be able to show anything equal to it.

I showed another incident where a civilian plane was shot down.

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scroll the linked page down Llauma. There is the part about the civil jet shot down although I have to say that a jet for over 200 people can´t really be "seen" as a military jet on radar. That was a panic shot.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 24 2003,02:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,02:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 24 2003,02<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What right do US courts have to judge foreign countries when USA don't even approve the international criminal court (ICC).

I admit that shooting down a cessna appears to be quite stupid.

But USA have shot down a Iranian passanger plane.

Here's some info about it.

The captain of USS Vincennes was awarded with a medal.

They also sunk Iranian patrol boats on iranian territory.<span id='postcolor'>

USS Stark<span id='postcolor'>

It's no use the counter with another incident.

It will just end up with Hiroshima and you wont be able to show anything equal to it.

I showed another incident where a civilian plane was shot down.<span id='postcolor'>

You seem to think that this incident happened in a vacuum, which is not the case.

Did you read the article or did you just dismiss it because you don't want to know the surrounding circumstances, just to blindly lash out?

The shooting was a critical error, and the US paid reparations (as did Iraq for the Stark Incident), but to think that the Vincennes was just sitting in the Gulf and said "I think I will shoot down that plane" is ignorance at its best.

PS...I can show something that is "equal" to Hiroshima, and have. But I was labeled a rascist, threatened with banning and because of the fact it wasn't the US, it was quickly dismissed (not even renounced) and ignored by all.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,03:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 24 2003,02:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,02:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 24 2003,02<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What right do US courts have to judge foreign countries when USA don't even approve the international criminal court (ICC).

I admit that shooting down a cessna appears to be quite stupid.

But USA have shot down a Iranian passanger plane.

Here's some info about it.

The captain of USS Vincennes was awarded with a medal.

They also sunk Iranian patrol boats on iranian territory.<span id='postcolor'>

USS Stark<span id='postcolor'>

It's no use the counter with another incident.

It will just end up with Hiroshima and you wont be able to show anything equal to it.

I showed another incident where a civilian plane was shot down.<span id='postcolor'>

You seem to think that this incident happened in a vacuum, which is not the case.

Did you read the article or did you just dismiss it because you don't want to know the surrounding circumstances, just to blindly lash out?

The shooting was a critical error, and the US paid reparations (as did Iraq for the Stark Incident), but to think that the Vincennes was just sitting in the Gulf and said "I think I will shoot down that plane" is ignorance at its best.

PS...I can show something that is "equal" to Hiroshima, and have. But I was labeled a rascist, threatened with banning and because of the fact it wasn't the US, it was quickly dismissed (not even renounced) and ignored by all.<span id='postcolor'>

It was very likely a mistake that caused the shoot down, but awarding the captains with medals shows us the respect USA has for non-american citizens.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 24 2003,03:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was very likely a mistake that caused the shoot down, but awarding the captains with medals shows us the respect USA has for non-american citizens.<span id='postcolor'>

So does paying the vicitm's families compensation. Which is more than I can say for the terrorists that brought down Pan Am 103 in response. Or the attempted murder of the Vincennes Captains wife.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,03:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 24 2003,03:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was very likely a mistake that caused the shoot down, but awarding the captains with medals shows us the respect USA has for non-american citizens.<span id='postcolor'>

So does paying the vicitm's families compensation. Which is more than I can say for the terrorists that brought down Pan Am 103 in response. Or the attempted murder of the Vincennes Captains wife.<span id='postcolor'>

Why is it that, whenever I hear about a mistake in another country by some odd nation, they only pay for the families lost.

How can you compensate for a loss of life? Just by giving them a fist full of money and telling them that its going to be alright?

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ Jan. 24 2003,03:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,03:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 24 2003,03:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was very likely a mistake that caused the shoot down, but awarding the captains with medals shows us the respect USA has for non-american citizens.<span id='postcolor'>

So does paying the vicitm's families compensation. Which is more than I can say for the terrorists that brought down Pan Am 103 in response. Or the attempted murder of the Vincennes Captains wife.<span id='postcolor'>

Why is it that, whenever I hear about a mistake in another country by some odd nation, they only pay for the families lost.

How can you compensate for a loss of life? Just by giving them a fist full of money and telling them that its going to be alright?<span id='postcolor'>

I guess because that is the only way that the victims CAN be compensated. I dunno.

What do you suggest?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,03:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ Jan. 24 2003,03:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,03:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 24 2003,03:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was very likely a mistake that caused the shoot down, but awarding the captains with medals shows us the respect USA has for non-american citizens.<span id='postcolor'>

So does paying the vicitm's families compensation. Which is more than I can say for the terrorists that brought down Pan Am 103 in response. Or the attempted murder of the Vincennes Captains wife.<span id='postcolor'>

Why is it that, whenever I hear about a mistake in another country by some odd nation, they only pay for the families lost.

How can you compensate for a loss of life? Just by giving them a fist full of money and telling them that its going to be alright?<span id='postcolor'>

I guess because that is the only way that the victims CAN be compensated. I dunno.

What do you suggest?<span id='postcolor'>

What do I suggest? I really have no idea. Same goes for the Canadian friendly fire incident, its a no win situation whichever way it goes.

I don't know what to do for compensation, but one has to do more than throwing money at them. At least honours the persons loss. That goes for any country(said that so you don't get the impression that I'm naming only the United States.). I just think there should be more.

I just think that most of these mistakes shoulden't have happend in the first place.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24 2003,03:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DracoPaladore @ Jan. 24 2003,03:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteBegin--Akira+Jan. 24

Why is it that, whenever I hear about a mistake in another country by some odd nation, they only pay for the families lost.

How can you [i--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 24

Why is it that, whenever I hear about a mistake in another country by some odd nation, they only pay for the families lost.

How can you [i)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">compensate[/i] for a loss of life? Just by giving them a fist full of money and telling them that its going to be alright?<span id='postcolor'>

I guess because that is the only way that the victims CAN be compensated. I dunno.

What do you suggest?<span id='postcolor'>

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My 2 cents in this:

Compensating the families at the least shows an admittal of wrongdoing, and perhaps helps secure financial stability for those who lost their parents, ect.

However, decorating the captain of the ship after such an incident seems highly questionable.

*edit* somehow I don't think the friendly fire incident discussion should be carried on in this thread

[Akira 0]

Really there is nothing you can do I suppose, short of finding the errors and making sure to eliminate them. The loved ones are gone.

I dunno if compensation can also be interpreted, legally, as acknowledging fault. As in "We know we messed up, so here is a couple million," which I would think is a lot better than saying "You ain't gettin' jack!"

How should a country honor the fallen ones? A ceremony would be nice I imagine. Perhaps even the "offending" countries leader personally talking with the families. But other than that I don't know. Naming a school or building or something after them seems shallow (to me).

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just think that most of these mistakes shoulden't have happend in the first place.<span id='postcolor'>

Thats why they are mistakes.

EDIT: Anyway...back to the looming cluster-f*ck that is Iraq.