Longinius 1 Posted December 3, 2002 So, it seems Denmark released the terrorist accused Zakajev. Now does this give Russia the right to attack Denmark and attempt to get him themselves? After all, similar things have been done before... :/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PitViper 0 Posted December 3, 2002 more info please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 3, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Denmark releases Chechen aide COPENHAGEN, Denmark -- Denmark has released a senior Chechen separatist wanted by Moscow for alleged "terrorist" crimes. Akhmed Zakayev, a top aide of Chechen rebel leader Aslan Maskhadov, had been held for a month in the Danish capital, Copenhagen, while the Justice Ministry investigated Russia's request for his return. But a ministry spokesman said on Tuesday he was being released on grounds of insufficient evidence against him. "An extradition cannot be made on basis of the present material," Jakob Scharf, who heads the ministry's international department, announced Tuesday. Russia has protested the decision, claiming it was politically motivated. Denmark had given Russia until November 30 to provide sufficient evidence to justify extraditing Zakayev, but it has failed to do so, Scharf told The Associated Press. The Danish government released Zakayev, telling him he "could freely leave the country." But Russian Justice Minister Yuri Chaika said Moscow had given Denmark more than enough evidence to extradite Zakayev. "It appears that political aspects prevailed over legal ones in that case," Chaika said, according to the Interfax news agency. "Judging by Danish officials moves to drag out the process, it was clear from the start that the Danish side didn't intend to extradite Zakayev." Zakayev was arrested on October 30 in Copenhagen at Moscow's request after a legal meeting of rebels and human rights activists -- just days after Chechen gunmen took hundreds hostage in a Moscow theatre. A 1996 peace left Chechen separatists in charge after a 20-month war, but Russian troops poured back into Chechnya in 1999, after rebel raids in a neighbouring region and after a series of apartment-house bombings that killed some 300 people and were blamed on the rebels. Russia wanted Zakayev to stand trial for crimes it claimed he committed during 1996-99. Danish Foreign Minister Per Stig Moller, whose country holds the European Union presidency, told reporters he did not expect the decision to lead to any deterioration in relations between Denmark and Russia. <span id='postcolor'> http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/12/03/denmark.chechnya/index.html I think this is a good excuse for Sweden to invade Denmark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ravendk 25 Posted December 3, 2002 CNN STORY well i say LET 'EM COME! we got NATO behind us.. what are they gonna do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longinius 1 Posted December 3, 2002 Yeah. I basically just want to know if its OK to go in, guns blazing, looking for terrorists in every country. Or just the ones that can't fight back, where a puppet regime can be established and oil pipelines can be built. While Denmark has no oil, it does have some excellent beer. Maybe we could build a beerline? Sweden allready has one of those, called Oresundsbron, but someone else might want a piece of that action... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 3, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Dec. 03 2002,23:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">While Denmark has no oil, it does have some excellent beer. Maybe we could build a beerline? Sweden allready has one of those, called Oresundsbron, but someone else might want a piece of that action... <span id='postcolor'> Norway has oil. They have a close relationship to Denmark that is now known to protect terrorists. Let's invade Norway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted December 3, 2002 If people start seriously saying Russia is attacking Denmark for beer, I'm building a spaceship to live on the moon until this blows over. I seriously thought people were joking when they said Iraq was about oil, but once I found out they werent it's very depressing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted December 3, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 03 2002,17:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If people start seriously saying Russia is attacking Denmark for beer, I'm building a spaceship to live on the moon until this blows over. I seriously thought people were joking when they said Iraq was about oil, but once I found out they werent it's very depressing.<span id='postcolor'> You'd better get started on that air ship... err space ship. ( of course Iraq isn't about oil, its about human rights ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Samson 0 Posted December 3, 2002 is this another anti-US bicker-thread by the usual suspects? the danish prime minister (or whatever) is hardly in the same league as your ole buddy saddam. the danes obviously didn't find enough on him to detain him. they can tell the russkis where he might be, so they can go visit and ask him themselves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted December 3, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Dec. 04 2002,04:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">of course Iraq isn't about oil, its about human rights <span id='postcolor'> Oh, so now it's about human rights? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">is this another anti-US bicker-thread by the usual suspects? <span id='postcolor'> Yes. But I promise that this thread will remain on Russia's war on terrorism, not the U.S.'s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted December 3, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 03 2002,17:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sam Samson @ Dec. 04 2002,04:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">of course Iraq isn't about oil, its about human rights <span id='postcolor'> Oh, so now it's about human rights? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">is this another anti-US bicker-thread by the usual suspects? <span id='postcolor'> Yes. But I promise that this thread will remain on Russia's war on terrorism, not the U.S.'s<span id='postcolor'> Part1: Apperently. Part2: How can you make that promise and keep it? (don't answer that) If you start talking war on terrorism the US is at the center of it with Russia, sorry to burst your bubble. Very difficult to seperate the two as you found out two or so posts ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 3, 2002 I think that it is a valid comparison. From Russian point of view Denmark sheltered and protected a terrorist. According to the W. principle it is OK for Russia to launch an attack on Denmark in the interests of homeland security: You are either with us or against us and obviously Denmark isn't with us since they didn't extradite the terrorist. So they must be against us. The Iraq-Denmark comparison is however not a really good one, since nobody ever proved that Iraq supported or sheltered terrorists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NurEinMensch 0 Posted December 3, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Dec. 04 2002,00:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[...]The Iraq-Denmark comparison is however not a really good one, since nobody ever proved that Iraq supported or sheltered terrorists.<span id='postcolor'> *dang* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brgnorway 0 Posted December 3, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Dec. 03 2002,23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Dec. 03 2002,23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">While Denmark has no oil, it does have some excellent beer. Maybe we could build a beerline? Sweden allready has one of those, called Oresundsbron, but someone else might want a piece of that action... <!--emo&<!--emo&<span id='postcolor'> Norway has oil. They have a close relationship to Denmark that is now known to protect terrorists. Let's invade Norway <span id='postcolor'> We'll spank you   - or GWB will. We are members of Nato - you are not! hmmmm....... or maybe we will make a new union with Denmark and attack Sweden. I know, your beer tastes like piss - but we would like to get our hands on Volvo and Saab - or maybe not since Ford and General motors own your car industry. And we all know cars with a sticker that says "made in US" is not a sign of good quality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hovmand 0 Posted December 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Dec. 04 2002,00:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We'll spank you  <span id='postcolor'> LOL We just need Skĺne, Halland and Blekinge (which is rightfully ours) and you can have the rest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akm74 1 Posted December 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">we got NATO behind us.. what are they gonna do?<span id='postcolor'> Country which shelter and protect a terrorist will not be part of NATO for long. :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brgnorway 0 Posted December 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hovmand @ Dec. 04 2002,01:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Dec. 04 2002,00:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We'll spank you  <span id='postcolor'> LOL We just need Skĺne, Halland and Blekinge (which is rightfully ours) and you can have the rest <span id='postcolor'> It's a deal then? Besides, I've always liked the finns - we could give them the northern parts of Sweden - just to turn history around Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted December 4, 2002 Basically it makes no difference in the "war on terror" spirit wich country hosts terrorists. Weird idea but now you see what is done to axis of evil countries. I´d like to know Mr Bush´s opinion Would be a lot of "errr" und "dunno" and "I have to go to Camp David" things I guess. Oh yeah let´s put them into axis of evil now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brgnorway 0 Posted December 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Dec. 04 2002,03:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Basically it makes no difference in the "war on terror" spirit wich country hosts terrorists. Weird idea but now you see what is done to axis of evil countries. I´d like to know Mr Bush´s opinion  Would be a lot of "errr" und "dunno" and "I have to go to Camp David" things I guess. Oh yeah let´s put them into axis of evil now.<span id='postcolor'> I guess the next step by US would be a "beer-embargo" on Denmark Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Balschoiw 0 Posted December 4, 2002 Hehe ! Open your windows and listen There is a deep roar somehow. I guess the 150.000 soldiers US wanted to send to Turkey have a new destination now. They have to get them anywhere . It was planned... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Dec. 04 2002,00:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Dec. 03 2002,23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Norway has oil. They have a close relationship to Denmark that is now known to protect terrorists. Let's invade Norway <span id='postcolor'> We'll spank you   - or GWB will. We are members of Nato - you are not!<span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LOL We just need Skĺne, Halland and Blekinge (which is rightfully ours) and you can have the rest <span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Besides, I've always liked the finns - we could give them the northern parts of Sweden - just to turn history around <span id='postcolor'> Ah, this makes me so happy being Swedish For our non-scandinavian forum members, I'll give a brief explanation. You see before all we scandinavians became good buddies, like we are today we used to wage war on each other. Well, mostly the Danes and the Swedes - Norway always just belonged to whoever was stronger at a certain point. Sweden was however smart enough to end the wars while we were at plus. As a matter of fact when the wars ended we ended up with owning more then a third of Denmark. Finland has always been a part of Sweden, and the Finish-Swedish relations have always been good since they have always realized that their choice in the world is to either be a part of Russia or a part of Sweden. The current semi-indenpendence is a temporary one Norwegians have always been the clowns of Scandinavia. Everybody makes fun of them since everybody has kicked their ass. They are understandably very fond of their independence which they got after Sweden chose to let them go (we had a referendum in 1905). So understandably the other smaller scandinavian countries have some complexes when it comes to Sweden. We just shrug it off, driving our Volvos through Skĺne while telling a joke about Norwegians in Swedish to a friend from Finland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted December 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Dec. 04 2002,04:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Very difficult to seperate the two as you found out two or so posts ago.<span id='postcolor'> Not if you have mod powers. Ahh Norway, a country even Americans can make fun of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brgnorway 0 Posted December 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Dec. 04 2002,04:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ahh Norway, a country even Americans can make fun of. <span id='postcolor'> Realy?! How come, after all many of you can't even point out where USA is on a map! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brgnorway 0 Posted December 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Dec. 04 2002,04:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For our non-scandinavian forum members, I'll give a brief explanation. You see before all we scandinavians became good buddies, like we are today we used to wage war on each other. Well, mostly the Danes and the Swedes - Norway always just belonged to whoever was stronger at a certain point. <span id='postcolor'> By the way, you seem to forget that Sweden was once ruled by Denmark during the first hundred years or so of the Calmar Union. Queen Margareta Valdemarsdotter - the danish queen - was the widow of the NORWEGIAN King Haakon Magnusson. She lived at Akershus Castle in the middle of Oslo untill she left for a better climate in Denmark. What if the stupid shit never died - would Sweden and Denmark have found themselves in a union ruled by Norway Norwegians also left their print on most of western Europe - as did the swedish during history. Ask Placebo what origins the name of York have? I watched an english documentary on the norwegian and danish vikings a couple of months ago. It was very interesting! Did you know that most of the britts can actually trace their genes to norwegian vikings from hordaland in Norway? Norwegian vikings settled on most of the british isles and were eventually absorbed in the different british populations. Isle of Man actually has a Ting to this day. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Norwegians have always been the clowns of Scandinavia. Everybody makes fun of them since everybody has kicked their ass.<span id='postcolor'> True enough I'm afraid  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 4, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Dec. 04 2002,05:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way, you seem to forget that Sweden was once ruled by Denmark during the first hundred years or so of the Calmar Union. Queen Margareta Valdemarsdotter - the danish queen - was the widow of the NORWEGIAN King Haakon Magnusson. She lived at Akershus Castle in the middle of Oslo untill she left for a better climate in Denmark. What if the stupid shit never died - would Sweden and Denmark have found themselves in a union ruled by Norway <span id='postcolor'> Actually the Kalmar union was exactly as it sounds. It was a uninon. It was between Denmark, Sweden and Norway (although nobody asked Norway, only Sweden and Denmark signed it ). And it was Danish for seven years, not hundered years. These were ther rulers: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Margareta 1389 - 1396 Erik (XIII) av Pommern 1396 - 1439 Karl Knutsson Bonde (riksförestĺndare) 1438 - 1440 Kristofer av Bayern 1440 - 1448 Bengt Jönsson & Nils Jönsson Oxenstierna (riksförestĺndare) 1448 Karl (VIII) Knutsson Bonde 1448 - 1457 Erik Axelsson Tott & Jöns Bengtsson Oxenstierna (riksförestĺndare) 1457 Kristan I 1457 - 1464 Karl (VIII) Knutsson Bonde 1464 - 1465 Kettil Karlsson Vasa (riksförestĺndare) 1464 - 1465 Jöns Bengtsson Oxenstierna (riksförestĺndare) 1465 - 1466 Erik Axelsson Tott (riksförestĺndare) 1466 - 1467 Karl (VIII) Knutsson Bonde 1467 - 1470 Sten Sture den äldre (riksförestĺndare) 1470 - 1497 Hans (Johan II) 1497 - 1501 Sten Sture den äldre (riksförestĺndare) 1501 - 1503 Svante Nilsson Sture (riksförestĺndare) 1504 - 1512 Erik Trolle (riksförestĺndare) 1512 Sten Sture den yngre (riksförestĺndare) 1512 - 1520 Kristian II 1520 - 1531 <span id='postcolor'> Marareta, the Kristians and the Hanses' were Danish, the rest were Swedish. So the Kalmar union was mainly Swedish dominated with occasional Danes being the rulers. No Norwegians here either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
