2 new acts of terror

[Balschoiw 0]

There has been an attack on an Israeli airplane with 2 missiles in Mombasa, Kenia. The rockets were fired at the plane after it has taken off from Momabasa airport.

Another bombing on a hotel, mostly visited by Israeli tourists in Mombasa killed approximately 11 people.

It didnt take 2 seconds till the Keniata government blaimed Al Quaida for the assaults.

This is another example that terrorists are much more harder to fight than anbody thought when the war on terror was started. Terrorist can and will engage targets in any country on the world. It is impossible to stop worldwide terrorism in my opinion.

[Blake 0]

Lucky escape for the jet indeed, pilots described that they saw a flashes and they felt as if a bird had hit a plane or something. This perhaps means that they felt the wake of the missile hit them.

[Balschoiw 0]

Maybe the missiles didnt get "Hot" cause of the short distance between plane and Launcher.

[theavonlady 2]

3 new acts of terror.

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Two gunmen were killed in a protracted firefight with police and armed bystanders<span id='postcolor'>

... armed bystanders?

Whew, don't go to Israel.

Terrorists are like the school bully. They use violence to solve their problems without trying to find a peaceful answer first. They're cowards because they don't take responsibility for their actions and their arguments are all unproductive because all they do is shed more blood and make more problems.

Terrorists = the devil

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Nov. 28 2002,15:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Terrorists are like the school bully. They use violence to solve their problems without trying to find a peaceful answer first. They're cowards because they don't take responsibility for their actions and their arguments are all unproductive because all they do is shed more blood and make more problems.

Terrorists = the devil<span id='postcolor'>

A terrorist to one person is a Freedom fighter to another. I'm sure that there were enough Brits who considered the Americans terrorists during the war of independence. You can't simplify it like that.

[Longinius 1]

"Terrorists are like the school bully. They use violence to solve their problems without trying to find a peaceful answer first. They're cowards because they don't take responsibility for their actions and their arguments are all unproductive because all they do is shed more blood and make more problems.

Terrorists = the devil"

Terrorists most likely turn to terror when all other ways have been tried, and failed. A terrorist doesnt just wake up one day and decide to kill some people. There is always a long period of conflict leading up to acts of terrorism. As long as people keep dismissing it like this, there will be no stopping it.

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Nov. 28 2002,21:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Terrorists most likely turn to terror when all other ways have been tried, and failed.<span id='postcolor'>

You expect people to believe that osama bin laden tried to come to a diplomatic solution before he knocked down the world trade center?

Anyway, lets not turn this thread into another argument.

[Longinius 1]

"You expect people to believe that osama bin laden tried to come to a diplomatic solution before he knocked down the world trade center?"

No. But on the other hand he didnt just wake up all of a sudden, with no reason, a reborn terrorist. There were reasons for that as well.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Nov. 28 2002,16:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No. But on the other hand he didnt just wake up all of a sudden, with no reason, a reborn terrorist. There were reasons for that as well.<span id='postcolor'>

Not to mention his CIA training to fight the Soviets. back then he was a "Freedom fighter" in the eyes of the US.

[FSPilot 0]

I can't believe you guys are defending osama bin laden.

If we always looked at the way things were "back then" Germany would still owe us millions of dollars from world war one.

[Badgerboy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If we always looked at the way things were "back then" Germany would still owe us millions of dollars from world war one<span id='postcolor'>

That was one of the reasons WWII kicked off in the first place.

[Jester983 0]

Man im glad I dont live in palistine or irsarel (Sp?). I would just be scarred out of my whits.

Anyone know exactly how long this fighting has been going on for? I know its been a long time.

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jester983 @ Nov. 28 2002,23:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyone know exactly how long this fighting has been going on for? I know its been a long time.<span id='postcolor'>

A long, long, looooooooooooooooooooong time.

Here's a timeline.

http://www.mideastweb.org/timeline.htm

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Nov. 28 2002,18:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I can't believe you guys are defending osama bin laden.<span id='postcolor'>

Who's defending Bin Laden? I'm just pointing out how countries conveniently change their view of someone as a "terrorist" or "freedom fighter" - it all depends on whom they're "terrorizing" or "freedom fighting" against . Gotta love politics.

[Longinius 1]

"I can't believe you guys are defending osama bin laden."

I am not defending Bin Laden. I am simply pointing out that if we call terrorism a cancer for example we can chose to deal with it in two ways:

1. We wait for people to get sick with cancer and we cut it out.

2. We try and find out why people get sick from cancer and we then try to prevent it, by dealing with the issues that cause it.

Number 2 will probably work better than number 1.

[nolips71 0]

firing old missiles side ways on at airliners is not very intelligent

[theavonlady 2]

This is one of the missiles found in Mombasa. Why is it blue? Isn't blue an indication of a training weapon. If so, can a training weapon be converted to a full fire one. Or could it be that it was painted blue to appear to be a training weapon?

[MrMilli 0]

Training missiles do not carry, or have the capacity to carry a full warhead.

Training man portable AA launchers iirc do not have the capacity to fire the missile at all, and a "kill" is achieved when the user locks the target, after all aerial targets are expensive, and so are the missiles

[theavonlady 2]

So then, what's with the blue color? Stolen from a UN monitoring team?

[Sadico 1]

That looks like a strela, doesn't it?

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sadico @ Nov. 29 2002,15:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That looks like a strela, doesn't it?<span id='postcolor'>

I can't see the projectile pic. Bug!

[Balschoiw 0]

a. It can be a modified training launcher (unlikely)

b. It has been painted in order to make it look like a training one

I think b is more likely.