Question to bis and others

[dutchsoldier 0]

Why is the gun on the nose of the chopper not working

(maybe you could change this for the next patch?)

[nyles 11]

Some sort of model upgrades here and there for the patch after the soon to be released one would indeed be nice. A lot of the tank viewports are screwed and unusable without using either scope or 3rd person mode. Maybe this would be a nice idea to fix if there will ever be some sort of PIP update, replacing standard models with improved versions polygon and texture wise, like done for Half-Life a while ago...

But for now, the only thing that interests me is the upcoming patch, discussion about things after that will definetly come but are uneccessary for now...

[Spitfire 0]

Well, a good question.

A nice workaround could be to put

this addweapon "MachineGun30"; this addmagazine "MachineGun30"

in the init field of the chopper. You'll get a working 30mm cannon but it'll fire only forward.

[shadow 6]

Nyles: try to stick with what the topics say

I've heard somewhere : that "gun" under the nose of the Hip is actually a meassuring-device for airspeed and altitude.

I don't know , I'm not too familiar with Warzaw-choppers (spelling-error?) , except the good old workhorse: Mi-24D Hind

[Tovarish 0]

4--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Oct. 11 2002,224)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've heard somewhere : that "gun" under the nose of the Hip is actually a meassuring-device for airspeed and altitude.<span id='postcolor'>

I've heard that too, but I've seen one up close in Cuba and it didn't have that under the nose...at least if it had some measuring device, it was not that big & noticeable. If you do a search for Mi-17 images on the net you'll see what I mean. I have yet to see an RL pic of an Mi-17 with that mystery device...However I've come across references to Mi-17 with twin 7.62 MG's or twin 23mm cannon mounted under the nose....but if that is supposed to be a gun, it's only one barrel.

[nyles 11]

isn't that some sort of pointed radar device?

[Harnu 0]

Me and some guys discussed this in an Mp game a while back. We all came to the conclusion that it was some sort of radar/alitmiter thing or whats used to check speed. Isn't it?

[Spitfire 0]

That certainly is not a pitot tube (which you guys are referring to talking about a 'measuring device'. It's too big for it and too short to be an air refueling tube. After having a closer look at it I must say that it can't be anything else than a machine gun (which shouldn't be a part of MI17's equipment, at least not normally?).

I'd say it's a glitch in the model that someone at BIS forgot to remove after finding out that the MI17 shouldn't carry guns

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Spitfire @ Oct. 12 2002,00:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'd say it's a glitch in the model that someone at BIS forgot to remove after finding out that the MI17 shouldn't carry guns <span id='postcolor'>

Oh but like I mentioned above, some do.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mi-17.htm

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Most Probable Armament: fitted with 2x 7.62-mm machineguns or possibly 2x 23-mm GSh-23 gun packs in cabin, 57-mm rockets, and AT3/SAGGER ATGMs.

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Problem is, it's usually twin guns, and if that is meant to be a gun, there's only one barrel.

[Belldandy 0]

they probly didnt spend the time to put it in or something like that maybe plum forgot "only human"

I searched fer a while and found a little something something

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Info/Specs-Helo.html

Armament: Fitted for a 12.7mm machine gun in the chin. Can also carry up to six UV-57 57mm unguided rocket pods and ATGMs on pylon outriggers. Provision FLIR and weapon delivery sights

[digitalcenturion 20]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">From fas.org

2x 7.62-mm or 1x 12.7-mm MG <span id='postcolor'>

The 12.7 mg sounds like it...

[edc 0]

Doesn't really relate to the Mi-17, but what it the thing hanging off the Cobra?

[PHY_Hawkeye 0]

I think it's an anemometer (sp?) for measuring airspeed. Something like that.

[Spitfire 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (edc @ Oct. 12 2002,21:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Doesn't really relate to the Mi-17, but what it the thing hanging off the Cobra?<span id='postcolor'>

It's an AADS, Airspeed And Direction Sensor.

Basically it's a swiveling pitot-static probe which measures airflow (pitot pressure) and static pressure. It measures the attack angle (the angle of the airflow relative to the helicopter).

edit: and, yes, it's the instrument that Cobra uses to measure airspeed

[shadow 6]

They can just as well be used for measuring height above sea-level.

The AH-64D has two of them; one for airspeed and one for height above sea-level. Strangely thou the AH-64A Apache has none.

The difference between the one on the Cobra and the Hip does'nt mean a thing. West and East has always and probably will always have very different techiques/technology for getting the same result