Balaclava and face animations

[Degman 73]

Hello everyone!

I am wondering if there is any tutorial on how to make a proper balaclava animations in order to make a head not penetrating it each time when some face animation has been executed.

So, I have selections face_jawbone, face_chin, face_*, Neck, Neck1, Head, etc. ... on my 3D model of balaclava. These are based on "Samples_F\templateRTM\bust.p3d" (head) model's selections.

.. and it all works, but a problem lies in that selections are moving a way too much than they should.

Normal:

When face animation is executed:

Any soultions ? I know that BIS balaclavas are working perfectly, but as we have no templates, I simply dont know what to do.

[warlord554 2065]

I don't think you want the balaclava to have the same named selections as the face. Which is why its moving. Should try it with just the "head" selection

[Degman 73]

I don't think you want the balaclava to have the same named selections as the face. Which is why its moving. Should try it with just the "head" selection

That's what I did (including Neck selection as well), but a problem is that how face is passing throught static balaclava when head is in some state of animation. I could just expand a size of balaclava that much so it doesnt matter, but then it wont fit headgear and some other components well, which is exactly what I have right now in my mod and I want to change it. It is possible to have a nice and animated balaclava and everything, as I see that BI Studio did that with its balaclavas (when face's chin is moving, then part of balaclava which is named face_chin will move as well equally and show that animation exists and then that face's chin will not pass throught balaclava model, being a bug).

I am just wondering if anyone in community knows how to do that, or at least remind BI Studio that we need templates like that.

[warlord554 2065]

yeah it's all in the weighing of your model. I assume it needs to match the face perfectly. A2 samples have full head examples, the bone names are the same. Weigh it alongside those and see where you get. I agree we need more A3 templates. You could also try to PM an author that has released balaclavas and ask if they would give you a template, worth a try. Also you could absolutely make a feedback tracker ticket to BI about giving us face gear templates, also worth a shot. But check your weight selections, and size with the A2 head, it will get you close

[Degman 73]

yeah it's all in the weighing of your model. I assume it needs to match the face perfectly. A2 samples have full head examples, the bone names are the same. Weigh it alongside those and see where you get. I agree we need more A3 templates. You could also try to PM an author that has released balaclavas and ask if they would give you a template, worth a try. Also you could absolutely make a feedback tracker ticket to BI about giving us face gear templates, also worth a shot. But check your weight selections, and size with the A2 head, it will get you close

It fits a face model just perfectly. It can not be closer to it than it is now. Also, as I mentioned in a first post, all the selections are properly defined (based on A3 head model), but they just move too much in xyz. On example, when a player's (face_)chin is moving down, my balaclava's chin selection in moving down as well, but about 5-10cm .. which is a way too much. Anyway, u are in right, I should just post a ticket. I hope they will do something about it.

EDIT: http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=22342

Edited January 19, 2015 by DegmanCRO

[Mladja-ArmASerbia 3]

only head and neck selections are neccesary for balaclava to work gpood.

You actually need to do weighting, same thing you do for character model.

If you want send me a p3d model and i will fix that, i also have balaclava for my mod.

[da12thMonkey 1943]

A2 samples have full head examples, the bone names are the same. Weigh it alongside those and see where you get. I agree we need more A3 templates.

There's a weighed A3 head example in \...\Arma 3 Tools\Samples_F\TemplateRTM\bust.p3d

Note: it might only be on the tools devBranch at the moment

[Degman 73]

Oh man, that weighting thing is a something completely new to me. Mladja, I'll contact you in following days when I catch some free time, so I hope we'll discuss everything. There are also some other things I would like to talk with you about.

BTW thanks everyone, I'll put some effort in this weighting stuff and I hope to learn how to use it properly with time.