So what do we think?

[KeyCat 131]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HK (HunterKiller) @ June 30 2002,05:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't know about anybody else, but there is a difference between the islands in SP and MP, SP islands have a lot more detail at full res than they do on MP, i looked at my own island that i am making and was totally blown away by the improvements, i looked in editor and messed about, but when i went to multiplayer it was much and such the same as it had been on 1.46.<span id='postcolor'>

Isn't there a way to get the new high detailed terrain to work in multiplayer maps (like the setviewdistance XXXX command)?

Don't get me wrong it looks like OFP: Resistance is a winner but not having the terrain improvements in multiplayer would be a big vaste IMO!

/Christer (a.k.a KeyCat)

[.236 1]

You mean the bumpy-ness?

If my theory is correct, then the reason why it wont work in MP maps is inconsistancy.

You see, I think that the lovely new terrain system is just a random noise generator, using the normal island as a base line. The program then draws random noise (the small hills you see) on top of the base island. Now if both players have this being drawn...apart form the massive fukking slowdown, you will get hill being drawn on one computer, while not on another. Now if 1 player was to shoot at another, there not being a hill in front of him, and the target's computer draws a hill in front of the target...who is right? Hence having the std island as the mp std is a way of sidestepping this chaos.

[KeyCat 131]

.236 I can hear you but I think the programmers at BIS is smarter than that! But of course since I do not have Resistance yet I can not confirm it. Anybody that played MP care to comment???

/Christer (a.k.a KeyCat)

[.236 1]

To God I hope so m8.

[m79 0]

I was one of the people who clicked "Why did they bother"

I was really looking forward to this game , I now know why BIS did noy release details of the units etc they were adding.

What a let down it was , that I just stumbled across a list of new stuff in the add-on , the first thing I saw was "G3A4 , FN-FAL and UZI" so i was pretty happy with that , I thought , YEAH so maybe we will see stuff like an RPK or RPD or maybe a PROPER FARKIN RUSSIAN HMG , so agaisnt my better judgement, I had chosen NOT to view anything about REsistance, you know to look forward to it more, I looked down the list and my smilie disappeared quicker then a hookers panties at a brothel.

What an absolute waste of HDD space. , a jeep , bus... what the fark is going on , how about a BTR or a old MT-LB for the resitance guys , but no we got a motorbike... whoopdefarkindo!.

To say that I am a little pissed is an understatment, to say I will be running out, after waiting months to get this game, is incorrect.

Its BS crap like this that makes supporting a games developer , a waste of money and time.

I was so looking forward to this, to enhance my OFP experiance, to add to the hours of gaming pleasure I have had with OFP and the add-ons from RH. BaH what a waste of time.

better graphics , I had no problem with the original. A new campaign... WOW!!!!, a Bus , oh my god I am cumming in my pants!

To all those waiting for this.. Dont. I am not , I have just cancelled my order from EB , and will be advising my mates to as well.

What a crok.

[KeyCat 131]

M79, you are of course entitled to your opinion for sure but to me the improved network code and the new island with better terrain detail is worth the price for this add-on alone!

Come on how much do you expect for EUR 29.00? Here in Sweden it equals a few wiskey's in the pub a friday night. However I spare my final vote until I tried OFP:R on-line

/Christer (a.k.a KeyCat)

[HellToupee 0]

i think people expectations got to high, the new graphics r nice but ofp already had very high specs people running 1.7ghz machines with gf4s cant run graphics at full, the new net code and island r the best bits but we already new about them things like new vechiles people were expecting like civilain boats and bigger planes etc, im still going to get resistance and lookin forward to when it gets here in about 2 weeks but i was expecting like 10 vechiles, lotas civilain and russian equipment. And bugs from the orignal dont seem to be fixed like walking thru walls, and a few bugs seem to have been introduced by looking at the crashing posts the memeroy posts and the flashing white posts.

[timmy 0]

bah, 30 bucks, you can spend it. Its not to much to give to BI for there great time and effort put into both these games, and hopefully more to come. Im looking forward greatly to resistance. Its not bis that im upset with, but codemasters, the damn prejudice bastards

[Satchel 0]

Tons of new units doesn´t make a good addon, infact i think the G3 and FN-FAL are pretty much uncalled for, and are of lower quality compared to custom designs like the H&K weapon pack.

There quite some people around producing higher quality weapon models than BIS, that´s why i can abstain from BIS weapon models that doesn´t bring really new gameplay features with them.

Take

http://www.ofp.info/G8/

for example, check out their G36 C, it doesn´t even have the muzzle flash bug (neither in D3D nor HW T&L), and is also available with laser. Compare it to the laughstock of G3 or FN-FAL BIS put into OFP:R and you will notice that you don´t rely on BIS addons for weapon models, if they don´t bring new functions modders would not be capable of.

I wouldn´t have been too sad if they scrapped the bus, Hokum, all new rifles and all pistols except maybe one pistol  for raw model,  because just the class and animations for new units are important, not some different textures and 3D models, that´s nothing really new and nothing OFP modders wouldn´t  be able to achive too.

They should have rather spent more time on collision detection, AI, physics and other parts of the game, than wasting their time on "new" vehicles, that aren´t really new because of above reasons.

If it´s only the mass of new vehicles you judge the addon by, than you are very shortsighted, especially as there are many 3rd party units to be released, BTR´s of all sorts among them.

When compared to addons of other games, i.e. Desert Siege for Ghost Recon, Black Thorn and the like, OFP:R delivers far more than the above. What others sell as a new game, like "Sum Of All Fears" for example you get as an addon for Flashpoint, also don´t forget the mass of addons we got for free with ultimate upgrades, other companys are selling such things to you as full blown addons.

Judging upon an addon/game you didn´t even play certainly deserves you this:

[N.o.R.S.u 0]

HYPE=dangereuos word in gaming industry. I was also kinda disappointed to see West getting more new weapons and East getting only one new vehicle. But then I saw other features like terrain detail etc. I begun to smile.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There quite some people around producing higher quality weapon models than BIS, that´s why i can abstain from BIS weapon models that doesn´t bring really new gameplay features with them.<span id='postcolor'>

I think that most players want to see more new weapons from BIS because they are always offical thus work in MP correctly. Same goes for other addons by BIS.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If it´s only the mass of new vehicles you judge the addon by, than you are very shortsighted.<span id='postcolor'>

Exactly, OFP is not like other normal FPS games like SOF2 or RTCW. Those games addons require more new weapons because they don't have the same depth as OFP have. The new island is so much you can do with compared to new weapons etc. Also there are some features like blood puddles people just discover by accident.

My 2 euro cents.

[HellToupee 0]

i think tons of new units would make a great addon a campagins fine but how many times do u play that and theres heaps of free ones although no where near as good. The island is really the best part new graphics well fine but its already struggling on my duron 850 gf4 390 megs ram running at 800*600, drop weapon feature good but its in the command menu which i already have probs with when tring to get in vechiles with a guy about to shoot u. Hot keys would be nice. New weapons well i dont see much difference from a ak or a m16 they both do the same thing. The reason y people want offical things is because of mp its not like unreal or quack where it auto dls things when connecting. I would like game code fixes to tho mostly in buildings and collions detection if they could perfect that u might even be able to stand on vechiles and move with them sitting on top of a trap brant with yourr law your mates in the hot seat u spot a m1a1 group and order him to charge your driving towards the tanks your mate nits the brakes as your about to fire u go flying foward your law taking u and the trabby out.

[HellToupee 0]

and i wasnt saying it was bad i havent even played it but just by looking at the features and waht was hyped i expected more, before resistance there was talk of boats, planes russian stuff, pistols were talked about but not as much as vechicle rumors. Look at vbs its not the graphics that make it look so good its the harriers hueys osprey soldier models etc. Graphically i already thought ofp was the best. And satchel you try and cross my bridge ill gobble u up.

[m79 0]

hmmm by your logic satchel , then people who rate Porsche as one of the best Sports cars on the road , although never actually having driven one , are full of shit?

I think that an educated person can gather information and formulate a conclusion , without actually trying it , first hand.

I mean where you the kind of kid who touched the hotplate to find out whether or not the rumors where true as to it being.. hot?

get of your high horse and stop having a go at people who dare to be different and LISTEN and SEEK INFORMATION out for themselves about a product before purchasing it. I think its commonly known as Product Research?

Just becuase we all dont blunder in dicks out and cash in hand to purchase something because its preceeding products had a reputation , and we blindly believe that this new product will be just as good , if not better then the others.

if I am a... whatever it was you where trying to convey with your pic , then so be it , If informed and maybe a little bit bitter towards the game industry as a whole makes me eligiable for award of your title, then me care little because at the end of the day it will be people like you who are left empty of pocket after being sucked in one to many times.

what is it that they say....

"A fool and their money are soon parted"?

[akm74 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> The new island ... gee that could've been made by any monkey with WRPedit out there, right?

Errr ... have you even seen the island ingame? Such an extremely detailed 100 sq km island took the professional island-makers @ BIS about 6 months of full-time work ... no way a user-based project will ever be of a quality remotely close to this.

<span id='postcolor'>

I’m not 100% agree with this statement. I think quality of add-on on  this site (DESERTOFP) simply stunning. No original units even come close to textures these guys made.

What about Satchel sound add-on? He alone for 1 month made add-on 300% better then whole BIS (no offence guys) sound department for 1 year.

For me Resistance “200% must buyâ€. New island looks very good. Graphics is excellent and so on….

But I think original sound still crap and V80 (or whatever they call it) has nothing to do with KA50

[Satchel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ July 01 2002,07:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and i wasnt saying it was bad i havent even played it but just by looking at the features and waht was hyped i expected more, before resistance there was talk of boats, planes russian stuff, pistols were talked about but not as much as vechicle rumors. Look at vbs its not the graphics that make it look so good its the harriers hueys osprey soldier models etc. Graphically i already thought ofp was the best. And satchel you try and cross my bridge ill gobble u up.<span id='postcolor'>

Erm, where exactly was all that hype and in your oppinion "justified" speculation about what will be in OFP:R regarding units, did i miss something or wasn´t i at the board the time it happened?

Please point me to the specific threads where Suma, Medvidek, Maruk or anone else from the official team hinted towards units or features that are not part of the actual OFP:R.

The product box pictures with faked explosions are going on CM´s "credit", not BIS´s as they are in response for the game content not marketing stunts.

At gamespot.co.uk they draw a pretty clear picture of what will be in OFP:R (and what not), and the final content of the addon exceeded the expectations i built upon such first hand previews. Before i bought the addon i read at least 3 different previews, watched the video trailer and got info from a source who got the game a bit earlier than the rest, and whom i can´t name here.

It´s always dangerous to speculate about anything if you havn´t got the slightest indication of facts, not only true for games, so if i would guestimate that Americas Army will be the best shooter ever, just to find it wasn´t even worth the time&effort downloading, i would be pretty upset even if it costs nothing but downloading time.

Since i´m expecting nothing unrealistic or unlikely neither do i build oppinions on vague speculations of others, it´s unlikely i would fall into deep depressions as it seems to be the case with some persons regarding OFP:R.

So to sum it up, don´t like it- don´t buy it, download the free patch to 1.75 and enjoy it or don´t, noone cares.

[HellToupee 0]

well from when resistance was first announced there was lots of posts and vage previews that left resistance open to specticulation and gossip, this made me think that there was going to be heaps of heaps of new stuff in resistance. The new island looks really good but the new vechiles a bus, police jeep, motorbike and v80 even tho this is based around resistance and russian mostly the west get heaps of weapons vs russians one. Other than the new island compaign and net code the code changes, wepaons vechiles r just like what we've got in the free patches like grenade launches and animations etc.

[cpl_BOB 0]

well, i just got resistance, and i love the extra's.

well worth my Å15 i'd say, the new net code is cool, i dont get lag anymore, which is nice.

the new weapons are cool, to few i admit but the new terrain and idsland make up for it.

Very nice addon BIS,, cheers.

[WhoCares 0]

I like Oprah very much as well, despite some flaws. @those who say that -nosplash doesn't work - works fine for me...

The new graphics are very good, imho. About the bumpiness of the islands - it can't be just a noise generator, at least not for Nogova, since the shape is reproducible, saying that with each startup the bumps are at the exactly same spot with the same elevation. However, I haven't checked it for the old islands. I would guess it is some kind of interpolation algorithm and the detail setting determines the base function used for it. That the shape is at low details for MP is to have the same island for all players - imagine someone with high details hiding behind a bump getting killed by someone who is running at low details and not having this bump...

For those who make a StarWars mod, you can use the sound of the silenced Uzi for your laser guns

[alx 20]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WhoCares @ July 01 2002,09:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...@those who say that -nosplash doesn't work - works fine for me...

The new graphics are very good, imho. About the bumpiness of the islands - it can't be just a noise generator, at least not for Nogova, since the shape is reproducible,...<span id='postcolor'>

WhoCares has addressed a point I was going to make. It can't be a random generator due to the fact that the terrain is reproducible.

I'd also like to take back what I have written a couple of times about -nosplash. Stupidly I had typed -noflash. I can now recant and confirm that -nosplash works just fine.

But still this slow down problem when aborting to the Home screen. Every thing slows to about 3 - 10 fps and multicoloured boxes plus sometimes green skies appear. These must be diagnostic of something.

Alx

[Satchel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Satchel @ July 01 2002,06:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Tons of new units doesn´t make a good addon, infact i think the G3 and FN-FAL are pretty much uncalled for, and are of lower quality compared to custom designs like the H&K weapon pack.

There quite some people around producing higher quality weapon models than BIS, that´s why i can abstain from BIS weapon models that doesn´t bring really new gameplay features with them.<span id='postcolor'>

Just to get this straight, i don´t mean lower Quality because they would be illiterate to produce any higher, but because they have time schedules, unlike skilled modders that can take all time of the world to complete their addon with care.

Kegetys AGS17, G8´s G36C, Maac&Marfys beautiful texture work on vehicles and quite some others...check them out and compare them quality-wise to default vehicles or weapons.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Satchel @ July 01 2002,16:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Kegetys AGS17, G8´s G36C, Maac&Marfys beautiful texture work on vehicles and quite some others...check them out and compare them quality-wise to default vehicles or weapons.<span id='postcolor'>

Your Hi Res Apache is no slouch either. I wish you would release it though...