Protecting american boarders

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Aug. 03 2002,23:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in every western country , the cops DO NOT shoot or hit anybody if they feel threatened , only when they ARE threatened (except some exceptions where some cops , a minority , are triggerhappy......)<span id='postcolor'>

works in theory not in practice.<span id='postcolor'>

Actually, even in practice it works fairly well. Here in Canada, police shootings are scrutinizing pretty highly, and appropriate action taken if there wasnt sufficient grounds for the use of lethal force.

And inspite of finding Americans a little trigger happy, I am willing to bet that the majority of US police officers never discharge their guns in the field..and when they do it's either for a damn good reason, or the appearance of a damn good reason.

Most law enforcement officers ARE professionals..not a trigger happy bunch of yahoos

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Aug. 03 2002,23:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in every western country , the cops DO NOT shoot or hit anybody if they feel threatened , only when they ARE threatened (except some exceptions where some cops , a minority , are triggerhappy......)<span id='postcolor'>

works in theory not in practice.<span id='postcolor'>

this is what i learnt at police officer school , but after some year in this branch now i can say that it is bullshit

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

May I just add something to some previous posts? First of all I dont think that a more "agressive" treatment of imigrants is the proper strategy since I dont think this would stop people from taking the risk. They allready risk their lifes when trying to cross the border through the desert in order to reach the "promise land".

Secondly are illegal imigrants doing illegal stuff but they are not criminals. So why treating them as such? (stealing food in order not to starve to death is illegal but not a criminal act!

The border patrol may be underfunded and have a tiny workforce but how the hell do you want to guard such a huge border? Do you want to know how much a Berlin Wall construction costs! This would turn out to be more expensive than your Missile-defense system!

The British police officers have only one problem, their hat! Whenever they run they need one hand to hold it so it doesnt fall down. This looks quite funny you know when you got to chase a criminal, and without a gun such a chase happens to be more frequently  

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Espectro @ Aug. 03 2002,22:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 03 2002,20:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Police should be able to do more, i.e. not get in trouble whne they hit soembody. Like out in CA when those illegal aliens where running, there was nothing wrong with hiting them, but soem group of bigger morons than myself had to say something. So the Army should be able to use any force nessacry to stop illegal aliens from entering the country.<span id='postcolor'>

You start sounding like a Nazi.<span id='postcolor'>

I think he sounds like a mix between this:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Be he a Baptist, Scientologist or Zoroastrian, in the heat of battle Deacon will call down Divine retribution on all net sinners, and will never miss an opportunity to tell everyone about his personal savior. Deacon is fervent and earnest, but never has anything of interest or substance to contribute to a discussion. Occasionally Tireless Rebutter or Philosopher will engage Deacon in battle, but mostly he is ignored.

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and this:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Troglodyte is an aggressive Philistine who categorically disdains all new-age enthusiasms and politics, and has a particular animus against "homos", "tree huggers", " hairy-leg lesbo feminists" and artsy types. His loud brandishings of "common sense" and "reason" are nothing more than conceits to justify his close mindedness. Troglodyte's fierce, but predictable attacks are easily parried by more nimble Warriors. Sometimes, just for fun, Weenie or Issues will taunt him into a towering rage.

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[red oct 2]

we have this problem and why have they not just built a 40 ft. tall wall that reaches from the pacific coast to the pacific coast and is totally impossible to climb? maybe do the same for the north?

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">we have this problem and why have they not just built a 40 ft. tall wall that reaches from the pacific coast to the pacific coast and is totally impossible to climb? maybe do the same for the north?

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I hope you are joking because that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

'Pacific Coast to Pacific Coast'?,............. I don't get it.

Tyler

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

I am do not like for people to be killed, for any reason, but soemtimes you have to do it. Thos people who come over are not paying taxes, and do not go by all American laws. They come to America only to help themselves, and may go back and forth between America and wherever. I do not sound like a nazi to anybody who thinks things through. Besiades they could be an outlaw, or who nows what. There should be signs alon the boarders of Canada and Mexico in French, English, and Spainish that gives them all a warning of what could happen. If the guy stops then no he should not be shot, but if a cop feels threantend then he does have every right to stop anything from happening, not by using deadly force in most cases though. I am a Christian, and Jesus can forgive anybody for anything, but you still have to have some laws to protect the people of your country.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am do not like for people to be killed, for any reason, but soemtimes you have to do it. Thos people who come over are not paying taxes, and do not go by all American laws. They come to America only to help themselves, and may go back and forth between America and wherever. I do not sound like a nazi to anybody who thinks things through.   Besiades they could be an outlaw, or who nows what. There should be signs alon the boarders of Canada and Mexico in French, English, and Spainish that gives them all a warning of what could happen. If the guy stops then no he should not be shot, but if a cop feels threantend then he does have every right to stop anything from happening, not by using deadly force in most cases though. I am a Christian, and Jesus can forgive anybody for anything, but you still have to have some laws to protect the people of your country. <span id='postcolor'>

Uhhh........

How did that old quote go?, something like: 'It is better to be thought of a complete dumbass than to speak and be proven one'?

Yes, there are alot of people fleeing the poverty stricken slums of Canada to seek a better life in the U.S. where the roads are paved with gold. So let me get this straight, you wan't to shoot anyone that steps over the border?

Are you making an attempt at being ignorant or are you just naturally that way?  

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

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Yes, there are alot of people fleeing the poverty stricken slums of Canada to seek a better life in the U.S. were the roads are paved with gold. So let me get this straight, you wan't to shoot anyone that steps over the border?<span id='postcolor'>

Yep, that is exactly what I said. Now, only the people who will not obey what the people patroling the boarders say, and that is only if they keep runing after they are told to stop, who knows who might be a terriost. Anyway this realy only apllies to Americans since it is our country to defend.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 04 2002,06:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am do not like for people to be killed, for any reason, but soemtimes you have to do it. Thos people who come over are not paying taxes, and do not go by all American laws. They come to America only to help themselves, and may go back and forth between America and wherever. I do not sound like a nazi to anybody who thinks things through.  Besiades they could be an outlaw, or who nows what. There should be signs alon the boarders of Canada and Mexico in French, English, and Spainish that gives them all a warning of what could happen. If the guy stops then no he should not be shot, but if a cop feels threantend then he does have every right to stop anything from happening, not by using deadly force in most cases though. I am a Christian, and Jesus can forgive anybody for anything, but you still have to have some laws to protect the people of your country.<span id='postcolor'>

You are either the most accomplished troll I have ever met, or you are about as sharp as a beachball.

I realize this is a personal attack..but as trying to reason with you doesnt work, what else can I do??

[Assault (CAN) 1]

Yes, lets turn the largest undefended border in the world into a military zone for no particular reason.

I hope you are joking.

EDIT: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You are either the most accomplished troll I have ever met, or you are about as sharp as a beachball.

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LOL, I am betting $10 on the second one.

[cybrid 0]

I don't think that most american know how things are in canada. The tundra doesn't start at Windsor and Niagra Falls you know. My Grandpa used to own a motel in St. Catherans (which is in one of the most southern parts of canada) and American tourists would come in the middle of summer with skis on the roof of their cars and ask where the ski slopes are. My grandpa would point west and say "about 3000miles that way". Anyway, canada is not some poor country and we do not live in igloos. People don't try to sneek through the borders to seek a better life in the USA. The only thing you would have to worry about is the terrorist that we hold in Canada, as we hold the weakest immagration laws in the world.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My Grandpa used to own a motel in St. Catherans <span id='postcolor'>

LOL, I live in St. Catharines. Which Motel was it?

Where abouts are you?

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

I was totally wrong about Canada! I am not saying Canada is a bad plcae, but terrorist can come in through Canada and that is why we need the Military to guard the  boarders, not becuase I am afraid of Canadians! LOL!  Hey Warin that is not nice!  

[cybrid 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Assault (CAN) Posted on Aug. 04 2002,00:32

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My Grandpa used to own a motel in St. Catherans

LOL, I live in St. Catharines. Which Motel was it?

Where abouts are you? <span id='postcolor'>

I don't know what it was called but he had to sell it back in the late 50's when he got divorced, the building is probably not around anymore.

I live in the Waterloo Region.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

Is there black around my last post? I see it do yall?

[cybrid 0]

There is alot of black there. When I was new at this forum I didn't know how to quote and that happened to me all the time.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

I did quote, but I do not believ that has ever happend to me.

[ralphwiggum 6]

8--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Aug. 04 2002,068)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am do not like for people to be killed, for any reason, but soemtimes you have to do it. Thos people who come over are not paying taxes, and do not go by all American laws. They come to America only to help themselves, and may go back and forth between America and wherever. I do not sound like a nazi to anybody who thinks things through.  Besiades they could be an outlaw, or who nows what. There should be signs alon the boarders of Canada and Mexico in French, English, and Spainish that gives them all a warning of what could happen. If the guy stops then no he should not be shot, but if a cop feels threantend then he does have every right to stop anything from happening, not by using deadly force in most cases though. I am a Christian, and Jesus can forgive anybody for anything, but you still have to have some laws to protect the people of your country.<span id='postcolor'>

ok..you seem to be extremely uneducated in this topic.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thos people who come over are not paying taxes, and do not go by all American laws. They come to America only to help themselves, and may go back and forth between America and wherever.<span id='postcolor'>

of course they are not paying taxes, but they are not getting a thing out from it either. and they mostly fear getting caught by police, so they try NOT to break the law. and yes, they come to America to better themselves, but doesn't everyone do that? and once they are in America, they can't go back. they risked there lives to get here, and since they don't have legal permission to enter, they can't go back and forth. so they are stuck here.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There should be signs alon the boarders of Canada and Mexico in French, English, and Spainish that gives them all a warning of what could happen<span id='postcolor'>

border patrols already set this kind of signs warning about dehydration and death all across the borders. it's been there since a few years ago. shoes you how much you are informed about this issue.(here's one)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If the guy stops then no he should not be shot, but if a cop feels threantend then he does have every right to stop anything from happening, not by using deadly force in most cases though<span id='postcolor'>

and how is a cooperating, frightened border crosser is a threat and has to be beaten up?

[Placebo 29]

Duke_of_Ray you're running a very serious risk to your forum status, I'm getting complaints about you and it's getting tiresome, for sure it's probably not completely your fault but the problem is you have this incessant desire to form half baked ideas which you then spew forth continually. You've presented thoughts in this thread that come extremely close to being offensive if not even a smidge racist. You're certainly xenophobic, you certainly need to have some form of education before you try to put across these ideas and ideals that you really have no clue about.

I would suggest that for a while it may be best if you stick to solely Opf topics on this forum, or at the very least you think carefully about what you're saying before you say it. You have a faith, which is wonderful, you form certain opinions, which is admirable if not evidently misguided, I would just suggest you realise there's a time and a place to say things, and there's a time and a place to keep your mouth shut and just let knowledge seep in