Shooting at lax

[FetishFool 0]

If a gun ban was enforced in America, it will be because the public doesn't ever want to see a gun in ANYONE's hands.

Anti-gun protestors aren't just protesting against civilians having guns, they're often protesting against guns in general.

They just don't want anyone to have a gun.

And bans don't stop anything from moving through a country.

Drugs are completely banned, but every other person still has their own private stash.

It proves that banning something doesn't stop it from being a problem.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 04 2002,22:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">About 90% (anno 1998) of the illegal guns in the USA are stolen legal guns.<span id='postcolor'>

actually let me add some clarification to that number.

some of those 90% come from rogue dealers. those who buy the gun legally, yet sell them at blackmarket as a used gun at higher price to those who can't afford it.

[ralphwiggum 6]

either those anti-gun protesters are extreme or you don't understand them or both.

no county in world allows no guns for all. military needs those, police needs those, and when no-gun advocates present their view, they are asking for ban on sales to civilians.

banning doesn't stop problem, but will reduce it drastically.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FetishFool @ July 04 2002,23:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anti-gun protestors aren't just protesting against civilians having guns, they're often protesting against guns in general.

They just don't want anyone to have a gun.<span id='postcolor'>

We all know that guns are actually harmless unless used for their intended purpose.

I think that if you have a mature country whose citizens can handle guns, then guns are ok. In the USA with it's large criminality, guns just worsen the situation.

A global and total gun ban would of course be the really good thing, but that will never happen..

[FetishFool 0]

There's so much to say when regarding pro/anti gun.

The Anti-Gun movement is winning over the Pro-Gun community right now.  And there's really nothing anyone can do about it, literally.

But I do feel better when voicing the facts, with a few of my personal opinions:

Restricting guns to only military and police personalle will bring a whole new world of problems.

What if someone in the Mil or Pol decided to sell a few guns?  He could sell a simple Marakov pistol for more than a car if there was a gun ban.

Then when the person that bought that pistol decides to conduct a massacre in a civilian area, there's not much to stop him other then a cop.  If there's no cop, then everyone is simply out of luck.

Maybe a BB gun will stop him, but those and other projectile weapons will probably be banned shortly after guns will be banned.

And I'm sure none of you are interested in home raid scenarios, so I won't go there.

[FetishFool 0]

I'm trying to find that anti-gun group that is trying to stop police officiers in the US from using guns.

But Hmpf... I should have bookmarked their site while I could

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FetishFool @ July 04 2002,23:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If there's no cop, then everyone is simply out of luck.

Maybe a BB gun will stop him, but those and other projectile weapons will probably be banned shortly after guns will be banned.

And I'm sure none of you are interested in home raid scenarios, so I won't go there.<span id='postcolor'>

another scare tactic from pro-gun nuts.

your assumption is that "if there are no police". unfortunately, there are police, just that they can't be everywhere at once.

also, claimming that after gun-ban will come BB_gun ban is another dumb ass argument from NRA. BB gun is sold in Japan, yet they have gun ban on citizens. I haven't heard a single news that BB-guns are going to be banned in Japan.

and home raid scenarios are just a bunch of shit. Even if Charles heston has guns I can still kill him. All i need is one more person to grab Heston's attention while I come from behind with a pick axe and destroy his block head. just becuase you have a gun doesn't mean that you are safe.

and this is going off topic, so let's get back to topic.

the more I think about shooting, the more i'm convinced that this is not a terrorist act. this is too crude to be one. if thei was one, then there should be pipebombs to the least.

also, one woman is reported to be stabbed.

here's my guess. shooter had argued with some of his victims and had personal grudge against them and wanted to settle score. probably a close person to the victim. he gets so enraged that they are leaving, so he goes to airport and stabs her, and takes his gun out, and shoots ppl.

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ July 05 2002,00:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">also, one woman is reported to be stabbed.<span id='postcolor'>

From DEBKA.COM:

In Shooting Attack at El Al Ticket Counter in

Los Angeles Airport Thursday, Three People Were

Killed, Including Shooter, and Four Injured – Two of

Them El Al Security Guards Who Killed Assailant

Haim Sapir, Head of El Al Security at Los Angeles Airport,

Suffered Stab Wounds Tackling Assailant

Who Was Armed With Gun and Knife

Two Suspects in Custody

FBI Rushes Elite Force to Airport, Does Not Rule out

Terrorist Attack on Israel National Carrier

Passengers Were Lining up for LA-Toronto-Tel Aviv

El Al 106 Flight

That would mean a man was stabbed.

[MDRZulu 0]

Denoir you have to realize in the United States that if there is enought demand for something it will get in, no matter how big or illegal it is and there is nothing you can do about really but catch a few guys. If guns were banned that would be the worst situation ever because law abiding citizens who previously owned a firearm would be against a ban would break the law and buy a gun, but why stop there right? Since guns are banned all together he might as well by that m16a2 or M60 he always wanted since his old concealed weapon is just as illegal. Now you have huge amounts of firepower in the average citizen and then more and more average citizens will want automatic weapons and then it will be even easier for criminals to get their hands on whatever they want at a lower price, quicker, and with more ease.

[zverushka 0]

Shit, all this airplane crap is scaring the hell out of me...

I've got a plane flight on the 16th to Istanbul, then SImferopol (Crimea, Ukraine)... and then a bus ride to Yalta to visit my grannie.

And then I have a flight back to Istanbul, and I'm staying there for 2 days to be a tourist.

Then I fly back to JFK, and then I drive back to safe, cozy suburbs in northern VA.

That's an awful lot of flying, and I don't like flying, and especially in this time where every other day is a plane crash or something.

[zverushka 0]

There's a photo on front page of http://www.lenta.ru/

[billytran 0]

Banning guns just makes crime rates go up. If citizens can't own/carry guns then the criminals won't be afraid to commit crimes. In Washington DC they banned all handguns and the murder rate tripled, but when Florida allowed concealed carry the violent crime rate when down like 40%. In the UK, they banned all handguns a couple years ago and the crime rate when up so much that the police started carrying guns. Did you know that the UK's violent crime rate is a lot higher than in the US?

It all boils down to some twisted logic that guns make people commit crime. That's dumb, if someone wants to kill someone they'll do it regardless of whether or not they can get a gun; it's the same with people commiting robberies. Passing gun control laws just makes it harder for law-abiding citizens to get guns. Criminals fear armed citizens more than they do the police. In the US, the states that allow concealed carry of handguns have much lower crime rates than the ones with strict gun control.

[MDRZulu 0]

I completly agree with that Billytran, take California and its crime rates and strict gun control for example.

[ralphwiggum 6]

just becuase citizens don't carry guns that doesn't necessarily mean there will be more criminals. take Japan for example, there crime rate is way lower than US.

in shortrun, criminals do shy away from committing crime if conceled weapons law is implemeted, however, it won't be long before criminals comeback with deadlier tactics and bigger crimes. since cost of crime has risen, they will do it bigger, thus increasing bigger crime(at less frequent rate) while petty crimes go down.

also, LA's crime rate has been going down until a few months ago. and LA had bans on several types of weapons including Saturday Night Specials, which is preferred by low income ppl as low budget self defense. reason? police on higher alert. police has been vigilant against criminals, (and gone too far, sometimes) and that sent messages to criminals. one factor that dictates criminal behavior is economy.

when FL enacted concealed weapons law, i think it was sometime mid-90s when economy was up swing. so you can't conclude that just because of concealment policy that crime went down 40%.

washingotn DCPD has been criticized as idiots long before, and that's what happens if you don't support your law enforcement agencies. should D.C. police got some funding and grants, I'm pretty sure they could have done better.

the states with concealed weapon law also tends to be those boring mid-western states. and ppl there do not bother much to commit crime, since standard of living there is quite low and can afford ones living without resorting to fast cash. but in CA, especially in big cities, life is tough and it gets on nerves, which leads to cumulation of agitation that can trigger decision to commit crime.

[LBGS_Stewart 0]

i dont know how manny people on this form are from michigan. anyways in Michigan a BB gun is consitered as a regler gun. the BB gun must be resitered with Michigan if the BB gun dose not have numbers on it you need to bring it down to the Michigan state police for them to stamp numbers on it and register it. if you are cought with our it being registered it is consitered a felony. swift isnt it. Ralph you said if they ban gun it dont mean they would ban BB guns correct. well maybe that is true where you live but in Michigan a BB gun is consitered as a firearm, in every way shap or form. so in michigan if guns where banded i am shure the BB guns would also be banded sence they are under the same laws as a regler fire arm. then again michigan dose have some messed up laws expishly the hand gun law.

[PitViper 0]

Lets get back on topic

An Arabic Muslim Egyptian-national attacks and kills an innocent twenty-something women and an older man (both Israeli's).  Sounds like your typical raging lunacy from a breed of Islamic nutcases. pathetic. Oh, and I heard he was "angry" because the man in the apartment above him had an American flag hanging outside his apartment. Gee, how offensive...

[Jester983 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (zverushka @ July 05 2002,02:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Shit, all this airplane crap is scaring the hell out of me...

I've got a plane flight on the 16th to Istanbul, then SImferopol (Crimea, Ukraine)... and then a bus ride to Yalta to visit my grannie.

And then I have a flight back to Istanbul, and I'm staying there for 2 days to be a tourist.

Then I fly back to JFK, and then I drive back to safe, cozy suburbs in northern VA.

That's an awful lot of flying, and I don't like flying, and especially in this time where every other day is a plane crash or something.<span id='postcolor'>

Yea it can be quite scary sometimes. But really you just have to let it go and get on with life. Just have fun and relax. Think of OFP on the plane ride or some really hot girl u know/like.. Point is youll be alright man.

[Renagade 0]

Going on a flights annoying as hell, not the actual flying but the crap u have to put up with in the journey.

First off the airport with all its crapness and delays and armed monkeys milling about then the plane which is like a tube shaped prison cell where ur crushed into a tiny seat and plus on most airlines u cant smoke most probably due to the air being of such a low quality that a cigarette would gas cos the airlines want to save a few bucks on recources then theres getting luggage  and arrogant customs officers with all the nice personality traits of parking meter attendants  

[EveronVetsAgainstTheWar 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (zverushka @ July 04 2002,20:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Shit, all this airplane crap is scaring the hell out of me...

I've got a plane flight on the 16th to Istanbul, then SImferopol (Crimea, Ukraine)... and then a bus ride to Yalta to visit my grannie.

And then I have a flight back to Istanbul, and I'm staying there for 2 days to be a tourist.

Then I fly back to JFK, and then I drive back to safe, cozy suburbs in northern VA.

That's an awful lot of flying, and I don't like flying, and especially in this time where every other day is a plane crash or something.<span id='postcolor'>

Which suburb of Northern Virginia are you talking about?