Paratrooper 0 Posted June 12, 2002 Read the Manifesto, it is a viscious piece of class warfare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted June 12, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Prune @ June 12 2002,15:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There has to be a better system of government than Democracy, though.<span id='postcolor'> You mean better than untendered capitalism. Democracy is key Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prune 0 Posted June 12, 2002 Look what democracy has given us. In america they have a chimpanzee running them, and here we have a sleazy PM who takes money from Porn dealers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted June 12, 2002 8--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Prune @ June 12 2002,158)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Look what democracy has given us. In america they have a chimpanzee running them, and here we have a sleazy PM who takes money from Porn dealers.<span id='postcolor'> Fine, go find yourself a modern day Stalin and get sent to his equivalent of the Gulags for saying his moustache looks funny Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
habdoel 0 Posted June 12, 2002 listen paratrooper in the 19th centery democrasy was brand new, and the manifest is how abouth providing the working class the power of the state=democracy. It was normal to fight for it, just like a country in that age had to fight for indipendense (i'm not english,...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted June 12, 2002 Bad governments should be voted out, it's is the responsibility of the people, Democracy has responsibilities as well as freedoms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sadico 1 Posted June 12, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Read the Manifesto, it is a viscious piece of class warfare. <span id='postcolor'> Already done! Read something from Adam Smith, it is a vicious piece of shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prune 0 Posted June 12, 2002 lol. All I say is that democracy should be improved. Please don't send me to Siberia! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted June 12, 2002 Well if you've read it you know that it does not make a plan for a communistic society, and its meaning to modern western society is minimal. It was written for a time, people and condition that existed over 100 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prune 0 Posted June 12, 2002 Absolutely. Infrastructure and communications have improved to a point where (real) communism is no longer viable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sadico 1 Posted June 12, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well if you've read it you know that it does not make a plan for a communistic society, and its meaning to modern western society is minimal. It was written for a time, people and condition that existed over 100 years ago.<span id='postcolor'> I told you that you are right about that 2 pages ago, didn't i? It has to be rewritten for today. (fuck, i hate not knowing a lot of english, it's difficult to voice my opinion without knowing the words to do so ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WKK Gimbal 0 Posted June 12, 2002 Communism might have worked in a small village in the middle ages. Everyone worked hard - not to gain personal goods - but because if they didn't, they'd lose face to the rest of the village, for not doing their part of the work. As soon as the village becomes too large, people would become anonymous, thus would have no moral scruples about being lazy and leeching off of others. It's a dream - no matter how good the intentions where it will never work - atleast not in a modern world. Only the Smurfs seems to have pulled it off, but they're also pretty stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted June 12, 2002 It was written for people suffering in the industrial revolution, It was applicabe to the Russians, Chinese and others at later stages because they were further behind in industrial and social development. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WKK Gimbal 0 Posted June 12, 2002 Here's a happy communist: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted June 12, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WKK Gimbal @ June 12 2002,17:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Here's a happy communist: <span id='postcolor'> You call that happy?!?!? He looks blue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Assault (CAN) 1 Posted June 12, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You mean kind of like the US Constitution? <span id='postcolor'> How is it outdated? I would like to know. Communism has never worked, what makes people think it can? I won't bother to explain, because Gimbal and ex-Ronin have already done a good job of it. Tyler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arkadeyevich 0 Posted June 12, 2002 Communism might work good in a village where everybody knows eachother. This will keep people from taking more or doing less than their fair share. Unfortunally once the village grows to more than a couple of hundred, is gets impossible to know everybody. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted June 12, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ June 12 2002,18:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You mean kind of like the US Constitution? <span id='postcolor'> How is it outdated? I would like to know.<span id='postcolor'> When it was written up, news, at best, travelled at "horse and bugy" speed. So no one was really bothered that the president's term lasted something like 4 years. These days, 4 years seems like a mighty long time, plenty to royally fuck a country up. *cough* Liberals in Canada *cough* IMHO elections should be held every one or two years. More accountability to the people on the part of government Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 12, 2002 Lol Tovarish! Very good point indeed. Before the news of a newly elected president would reach LA, a new president would be elected in Washington I think the major fuck-up in the constitution is that it makes itself unchangable. That is never good. That means that when a new form of government is introduced, it will be through revolution. And in a country that has nukes and a big military, that is never good news ... and please don't say that that form of government will be like this forever. Even the roman empire crumbeled, and it was far more stable and solid then USA has ever been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WKK Gimbal 0 Posted June 12, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ June 12 2002,19:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even the roman empire crumbeled, and it was far more stable and solid then USA has ever been.<span id='postcolor'> That thought has also crossed my mind a couple of times... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted June 12, 2002 We in Britain have no constitution, so can change what we like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted June 12, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Lol Tovarish! Very good point indeed. Before the news of a newly elected president would reach LA, a new president would be elected in Washington <span id='postcolor'> Right. Pretty much all "democracies" today are in practice very dissident-friendly dictatorships with a democratic process happening once every 4 or so years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted June 12, 2002 We elect people to make decisions for us, that is how it works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted June 12, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ June 12 2002,19:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We elect people to make decisions for us, that is how it works.<span id='postcolor'> We shouldn't be electing them for 4 damn years. That is much to long for them to do as they wish without accountabiliy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
