SAS,The Real Deal

[MarineX 0]

There was something on tv saying that norwegian spec ops troops trained in britain was some of the first that did a succsessful operation. And yes, the best norwegian spec forces are still trained in britain.

It was young people around 20 and they were well known in the mountains. They outmanoeuvred the german in the terrain with skis.

They blew up something in a important factory under german control.

After this, the germans only produced things in their own country! huray! =)

[Erex 0]

If you want to see some basic facts about Britain involvments in differnt wars see http://www.britains-smallwars.com/

[MotherRussiaAK74 0]

Malden is part of the island republic of Kiribati

[BIN LADEN 0]

#### if were gonna put the british and germans in this game we might as well put in Austin Powers and Hittler.

[NVA Killer 0]

omg that is such a retarded comment. i say yes to british units simply because if the US got in a war with the Soviet Union(during that time period) the UK would not hesatate to join in. they have almost always been at our side. so i say yes, british units are a good idea to be added. i don't care about SAS, i want normal troops with L85's and land rovers, and challengers and others.

the british were in Vietnam? odd, never knew that, i know the Aussie SAS were

(Edited by NVA Killer at 12:04 am on Dec. 4, 2001)

[GFX707 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from WisdoM on 12:22 am on Dec. 3, 2001

Hmmmy guess is that their is NO SAS b/c this isnt a brittish war u jackass, It was U.S. and Russia, so you probably wont see any of your weak forces on this game. And no the SAS is not better than any US specOps, just keep thinking that, and I keep laughinf, The Brits are no Military power, so keep humoring yourself.

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You really should think about changing your handle to 'ignorance'

[GFX707 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from PV on 6:00 am on Dec. 3, 2001

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Come on, britians SF are the best.  They started the whole thing off, we train most of the other SF anyway.  <span id='postcolor'>

You need to check your facts.  Special Operations were essentially pioneered by the Israeli's.  The first mission was a hostage rescue of Israeli citizens take hostage off an aircraft and held in Northern Africa (if I'm not mistaken)

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Wait a minute here, I (probably wrong again, sigh) was under the impression that Israel didn't even exist until 50 years ago....?

[Sgt Hammer 0]

Actually Roger's Rangers were the first unconventional military force around, they kicked the living s**t out of the Briths who thought it was a great idea to stand in a line and take turns shooting.

[GFX707 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Sgt Hammer on 1:51 am on Dec. 4, 2001

Actually Roger's Rangers were the first unconventional military force around, they kicked the living s**t out of the Briths who thought it was a great idea to stand in a line and take turns shooting.<span id='postcolor'>

Hey, it used to work great against countries that could afford set-piece battles....

[ChickenHawk 0]

Cough Cough, wesetthewhitehouseonfire, Cough ahahah.

[NVA Killer 0]

then again Hammer, there could have been special units longer then that

[iloveyanks 1]

It's fantastic to see yanks once again rewriting history, this PV bloke has obviously not seen everyone since the age of 4 when he disapeared up his own arse. Clearly he is fool and should have been shot at birth. A brief history for him: 1941- a small war occurs in europe and north africa. The foundations of MODERN special forces are formed, these are Royal navy boom patrol, Long range desert group, Royal marine comando, the army commando's and a very little force Known as L detachment 1st SAS. After the war part of the boat troops of the SAS joined the royal navys raiding troop as well as the royal marines  to form what is now the SBS. the SAS was disbanded after WWII however it was reformed soon after for the malayan emergency (slightly like Vietnam but we dealt with it unlike the french or the yanks) and it has developed from there. Soon after this the U.S military was intrested in a unit which was rewriting the balance (usually 3-1 in attack) and was scaring most countries sh**less. THe americans tried to set up thier own force (delta) but these had a "lack of direction" so they asked for british instructors. WOW, well f**k me the yank are asking for training again, and not only from ourselves but also germany(GSG9), france(GIGHN) and isreal (god knows). So Americans, you may have lots of kit but as heli crash after heli crash proves, you don't know how to use it.

[madmike 0]

i aree with haveago you yanks dont know how to do difficult things that is why your cars are automatic.

They also must be blind or maybe just d*amn stupid.

i think the SAS (or me) need to teach american pilots how to reconise who the friendly troops are when bombing, or they could go on www.janes.com to look at pictures of what not to hit.

[ACT SMILEY 0]

To fit with the game's story only a light amount of British forces would probably fit - SAS, LR110 and an IFV or APC maybe. However if the whole set of stuff was added it would be better.

If any equipment is to be added it makes more plot sense to make it the UK than anything else.

[Miles 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i aree with haveago you yanks dont know how to do difficult things that is why your cars are automatic.

They also must be blind or maybe just d*amn stupid.

i think the SAS (or me) need to teach american pilots how to reconise who the friendly troops are when bombing, or they could go on http://www.janes.com to look at pictures of what not to hit. <span id='postcolor'>

yeah they bombeb their own troops today in afghanistan

[MDRZulu 0]

As for modifying the aim and stealth that depends on the player but your right about stamina. Also I think blackop Day looks very stupid, they shouldn't have that face mask and they should either have a helmet with brush attached or one of those special forces style hats like the resistance.

[NVA Killer 0]

i agree, thats just stupid and i think after all this is done, all the pilots should go back to school. im sick and tired of their friendly fire and large calateral(sp?) damage. its just a joke, #### even im going to admit this and im an Air Force brat. I should email my friends dad and ask him "WTF?!?" (he works in the pentagon, air force col.) heheh

[Vir 0]

You guys sure got off the subject. About the SAS, is it just me, or have they been reworked into a sort of anti-terrorism team? If so they shouldnt be referred to as special forces, and shouldnt be compared to americas delta force, and definately not the USMC, they should be compared to seal team 6. And about whos better, WHO CARES! neither of them would EVER fight eachother for any reason whatsoever, and neither have a poor record of getting thier relative jobs done. now, Pointing out that US pilots killed thier own troops... is just ignorant. Only 2 americans were killed and it was a 2000 pound bomb, ie very large explosion radius. Now, seeing as those 2 add to the total of something like 20 americans killed and 1000+ taliban soldiers, id say they are not doing that bad. Alright, back to the SAS... again, they dont fit anywhere in the storyline, while this is a nato base, its purpose if im not mistaken is to train american troops. Any other nato countries would have a hard time getting troops in to help, since from what ive heard everon is on the wrong side of Russia from any of them... well theres my 2 cents.

And stop this UK vs US bull... if the two ever go to war (hypothetical situation), it wouldnt be about whos special forces are better, it would be about who wins the naval and air battles. By the time there was fighting on the ground, the war would be over.

[Vir 0]

As a side note... why are you brits so angry? have a cup of tea and beat on some frenchmen.

(Edited by Vir at 10:14 pm on Dec. 6, 2001)

[NVA Killer 0]

3 soldiers were killed and Delta Force is an anti terrorist team along with the USMC FAST(Fleet Anti-terrorist Security Team) and yes DevGru(Seal Team 6). SAS aren't just anti-terror, like delta force, they are trained in a wide variety of things and SAS would feet the theme but wouldn't seem to be much different from the Black Ops, basically a new camo sceme and new kit. And finally, i agree who cares, it always seems like one of these conversations turn into "yadda yadda is better then yadda yadda"

[Grimnar 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MarineX @ Dec. 03 2001,16:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There was something on tv saying that norwegian spec ops troops trained in britain was some of the first that did a succsessful operation. And yes, the best norwegian spec forces are still trained in britain.<p>It was young people around 20 and they were well known in the mountains. They outmanoeuvred the german in the terrain with skis.<p>They blew up something in a important factory under german control.<p>After this, the germans only produced things in their own country! huray! =)<span id='postcolor'>

Actally the Norwegian commandos destryed a factory that made some components that the Germans needed to make a nuclear bomb

[Col. Kurtz 0]

Yeah, that raid became so famous that they made a movie about it coalled the heroes of Telemark I think. And well you were all bickering, SAS soldiers have been made, along with nearly every force in the world! The SAS and the US Spec Ops regurly cross train but in the feild I would stake my life with SAS for the simple fact, its not the US soldiers, its the ones above that screw up most of the time. The SAS have been at the job since 1942. And hell, my family descends from the British Isles and the Brits have a better accent in my ears.

[rat 0]

i dont understand all the arguments about who's SF are the best and who invented SF, the argument is probably invalid anyway...the basic principle of SF has been in use for thousands of years...in japan in the middle ages a Samurai called Yoshitsumi attacked a castle commando stylee and won the day......the Trojan Horse....ninjas... there are many examples......

"Reduce the hostile chiefs by inflicting damage on them; and make trouble for them, and keep them constantly engaged; hold out specious allurements, and make them rush to any given point" Sun Tzu

the problem is that SF warfare us ultimately a weapon used by politicians.... you can give an idiot a weapon but don't expect good results, no matter how good or expensive the weapon is i think that the sas probably have more free reign from a shorter chain of command than Delta[ie less comitees etc] hence the results...

and back to the original thread ...i'd also like a better SF for ofp...the mix and match kit/weapons......good idea m8

[Eviscerator 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Grimnar @ July 23 2002,02:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MarineX @ Dec. 03 2001,165)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There was something on tv saying that norwegian spec ops troops trained in britain was some of the first that did a succsessful operation. And yes, the best norwegian spec forces are still trained in britain.<p>It was young people around 20 and they were well known in the mountains. They outmanoeuvred the german in the terrain with skis.<p>They blew up something in a important factory under german control.<p>After this, the germans only produced things in their own country! huray! =)<span id='postcolor'>

Actally the Norwegian commandos destryed a factory that made some components that the Germans needed to make a nuclear bomb  <span id='postcolor'>

wasnt that raid made by both british commandos and some resistance norweigans? and the british left a british gun behind so the norweigans wouldnt get persecuted for it, oh and it was the heavy water factory somewhere in norway...

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Eviscerator @ July 23 2002,03:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Grimnar @ July 23 2002,02:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MarineX @ Dec. 03 2001,16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There was something on tv saying that norwegian spec ops troops trained in britain was some of the first that did a succsessful operation. And yes, the best norwegian spec forces are still trained in britain.<p>It was young people around 20 and they were well known in the mountains. They outmanoeuvred the german in the terrain with skis.<p>They blew up something in a important factory under german control.<p>After this, the germans only produced things in their own country! huray! =)<span id='postcolor'>

Actally the Norwegian commandos destryed a factory that made some components that the Germans needed to make a nuclear bomb  <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'>

wasnt that raid made by both british commandos and some resistance norweigans? and the british left a british gun behind so the norweigans wouldnt get persecuted for it, oh and it was the heavy water factory somewhere in norway...<span id='postcolor'>

Telemark. The British did it with some local help.

Bibmi has made some first rate SAS that I am beta testing. He will release the full version when all the bugs are fixed and it is made resistance compatable.