TechnoBillyD 10 Posted October 30, 2011 OK, I am very newb at this and I assume I am doing something wrong but I cant work it out On the first mission where I am showing the guy the helicopter, I take off OK, start flying him to his compound, after about 5 mins of smooth flying the chopper just barell rolls to the right loses all control and drops out of the sky for no apparent reason. It always seems to do it at about the same point I assume there is something I didnt do at startup of whatever? I also notice that the chopper climbs very very slowly even with full, throttle. I checked the auto-hover is off but have had the chopper drop out of the sky 3 times. I dont get it. not much fun really. At least with a windows crash I get an event log so I can work out what I am doing wrong. Show me the black box log :-P Or at least let me know what I am doing wrong. Dead Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jedra 11 Posted October 30, 2011 If you are using basic controls this can happen if you are going 'over speed' and attempt to roll (even slightly). Watch your speed and make sure you adjust your throttle to account for pitching forward or backward. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heywooood 10 Posted October 30, 2011 hmmm...for some reason I cant even lift off in this mission - even with the auto start. engines both spool up and seem to be at full throttle but raising the collective gives me no lift at all... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarcasticpcgamer 10 Posted October 30, 2011 what input method are you using? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heywooood 10 Posted October 30, 2011 do you mean controller? Thrustmaster 16000 linked collective to throttle axis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarcasticpcgamer 10 Posted October 30, 2011 do you mean controller? Thrustmaster 16000 linked collective to throttle axis For me random falling out of the sky was due to a poor usb port, after a few hours i noticed windows 7 was telling me this in the bottom right toolbar balloon.... My front panel 2.0 USB port wasn't good enough or defective or something, got buffer overflows or whatever you call it i guess.. so input just ceased over time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TechnoBillyD 10 Posted October 30, 2011 If you are using basic controls this can happen if you are going 'over speed' and attempt to roll (even slightly). Watch your speed and make sure you adjust your throttle to account for pitching forward or backward. Thanks I am pretty sure that must have been it. Kept an eye on speed this time rather than taking in the views and I made it. Also managed to complete the whale watching mission too. Thanks again I am slowly on my way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
royaltyinexile 175 Posted October 30, 2011 Yes, what you're encountering is an over-speed stall. Particularly in the medium class of helicopter, you should never go over you red-line/ never exceed speed. To recover (noted in manual and loading hints), drop your collective and raise the nose to reduce speed and maintain altitude. It's actually quite satisfying to recover from imminent death! Things are much more manageable in the light copter, but keeping an eye on your speed is half the fun. :p Best, RiE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarcasticpcgamer 10 Posted October 30, 2011 Went and played this for feel... The chopper gains speed for no reason though... not only that descends to scary levels where you have to increase collective... so your flying straight with nose up, and losing altitude fast yet on full collective... makes no sense ---------- Post added at 05:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:15 PM ---------- So what i am seeing is you may be forcing conditions during campaign and we are to react instead of just flying and getting the job done via skill?!?!?!?! Hope not as that's poor game design, since we chose expert. However sure feels like something is up 5 minutes out, no matter how much in control is just starts dropping no matter what air speed.. something is changing things up ---------- Post added at 06:46 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:31 PM ---------- Yeah something is wrong here for sure... i am keeping my speed down then just plop straight down.. No response on the stick at all to break out from the stall... Again, I wonder if its flight stick overload on the USB port, like the other problems I was having? No window balloons this time though.. Again, just fall out of sky for no reason and not for speed issues and chopper is flying smooth as can be before it happens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heywooood 10 Posted October 30, 2011 well I found the cure for my instance... I didn't know the controls have to be set up for each helo...so far - I only had the MD500 set up. Also - you must delete all other default inputs for each input you assign. so that if 'bank left' has the 'S' key and the 'mouse left' assigned by default and you assign your 'joystick left' - you need to delete the default stuff leaving only your assigned control. Pardon me if that is old news - something I should have known but it might help somebody else on the short bus like me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoog 18 Posted October 30, 2011 There really seems something wrong with your setup, because you are one of the few who are really having problems like this. Can you maybe make a video when your helicopter just falls out of the sky? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarcasticpcgamer 10 Posted October 30, 2011 (edited) well I found the cure for my instance...I didn't know the controls have to be set up for each helo...so far - I only had the MD500 set up. Also - you must delete all other default inputs for each input you assign. so that if 'bank left' has the 'S' key and the 'mouse left' assigned by default and you assign your 'joystick left' - you need to delete the default stuff leaving only your assigned control. Pardon me if that is old news - something I should have known but it might help somebody else on the short bus like me. Hrmph, you sure you just didn't start the software without your stick plugged in? That can reset the config... I have the same controls for all choppers.. at least in free flight... ---------- Post added at 07:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:02 PM ---------- Well, my first video of recording didn't get the exact result, so I wont be uploading that, but what I learned in this video is that going to the map, and coming out of it, causes major problems.. even if doing it for a mere second... after trying to figure out where im suppose to be going, i hit the map so the objective highlight comes up.. btw was out in the middle of the sea for some reason?!?!?!? the chopper lose control really bad and then ploop.. so i think its related to this, as i recall using the map in every mission.... Everything is corresponding to the same problems i have had with Arma 2 engine as well.... Down to even the spotting enemy infantry... sometimes the would just report inaccurate red dot positions that made no sense (they were even moving supposedly right in front of me and never there) and my flying there in Arma 2 i was having the same weird results... In Arma 1 i had no issues, so I am guessing its a Arma 2 engine related problem.. and if it continues I will have to abort playing this as thats why i never erally played Arma 2.. Edited October 30, 2011 by sarcasticpcgamer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
whiskeytango 11 Posted October 30, 2011 I was struggling witht the aerobatics mission where you have to fly in formation, after 3 attempts and crashes I realised that the chopper I was in had two engines, I was only starting one of them! lol. I thought I was in an old Huey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sarcasticpcgamer 10 Posted October 31, 2011 I was struggling witht the aerobatics mission where you have to fly in formation, after 3 attempts and crashes I realised that the chopper I was in had two engines, I was only starting one of them! lol. I thought I was in an old Huey. Thanks but irrelevant here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoog 18 Posted October 31, 2011 Well, my first video of recording didn't get the exact result, so I wont be uploading that, but what I learned in this video is that going to the map, and coming out of it, causes major problems.. even if doing it for a mere second... after trying to figure out where im suppose to be going, i hit the map so the objective highlight comes up.. btw was out in the middle of the sea for some reason?!?!?!? the chopper lose control really bad and then ploop.. so i think its related to this, as i recall using the map in every mission.... Well, if it's caused by loading the map, in the future it might be better to activate the GPS (which you can also resize to your preference in the custom hud interface section) and press Esc or 'j' to show the current objective marker on screen. This way you don't have to load the map which takes time to come up and go away again while trying to keep the helicopter at the same angle/direction. Truthfully, after watching your landing video, I don't know how you can expect to keep the chopper in the air while being in the map screen. No disrespect or anything about flying skills, but in the videos it's just noticable that the chopper goes pretty wild, and flies left and right with a lot of over correcting going on. So I can imagine it's 10 times harder when you're staring at the map screen :) Personally I have a really hard time keeping the helicopter at the same angle etc. while simply looking left and right thru the windows. I wouldn't dare trying to keep the chopper airborne while in the map screen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
