How Angry Would You Be If BI was Bought by Greedy Companies & ARMA Reduce to Run&Gun

[Big Dawg KS 6]

Herp-a-derp I have no idea what I'm talking about...

Well hai there typical forum poster.

[Baff1 0]

The market is already overflowing with braindead shoot-em-ups.

I strongly disagree, Bohemias adherance to realism is what attracts most people to ArmA.

I think clunky movement and too many keys has nothing whatsoever to do with realism.

I think struggling to get your AI to do what you want it to do also has nothing to do with realism.

Doom is more realistic than a load of AI stuck in forest or wandering round in circles in a town.

Neither is run and gun unrealistic.

It might remind you of arcade games you don't enjoy playing, but it's perfectly realistic.

We don't want jumping in ArmA, not because it isn't realistic, but because Quake Arena has it.

That's really an example of sticking your head up your own arse. To actively get rid of realism and simulation in order to make your game stand out amongst the crowd.

That's not realism, it's just a bunch of elitists trying to feel smarter than people who play COD.

And the gameplay suffers for it.

There is such a thing as taking something too far.

There is a realism to fluid moverment. It's how I move in real life.

There is a realism to being able to turn my head around fast without lagging. It's how I do it in real life.

ArmA isn't a run and gun game, not because moving that fast isn't realisitic, but becuase the graphics engine can't handle it.

Because they have chosen to sacrifice fluid gameplay for enormous view distances or mega polygon maps. And that funny animation system istead of simple ragdoll.

(That said things have come a long way over the years, but it till sucks in towns or bushes).

And I think quite a lot of the time I don't use the enormous view distances or maps. and I would appreciate the odd much smaller one that plays more nicely.

Not all the time. I still like to fly around in heli's once in while, but it would really rock to play some arena's in this game that have been optimised. Made with the gfx and the netcode in mind.

Enormous map size is a good USP, but it should be noted that I'm really not running out of room in Joint Ops, BF2, or Red River. You don't have to take it too far. It's better to find the balance.

It is perfectly within the bounds of reality to rationalise a smaller arena.

It doesn't really matter to me how many other run and gun games are on the market. If a game is good I will enjoy it.

Desperation not to be compared with COD is not a good reason to do something. It's an example of sticking your own head up your arse.

ArmA doesn't need a USP. (Especially not these days with so little competiton out there.) It just needs to be a fun game.

For my money, realism is mostly tied up in the credability of scenario's the game offers you and the graphics.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy ArmA, but when I'm spending 15 minutes micromanaging my AI before a gunfight and saving and loading so that they don't kill themsleves before it begins...

I'd rather just be running and gunning. Having an epic gun fight without them.

It's more fun.

Run and gun is an example of a player fighting the enemy rather than the game. And that right there is the illusion of realism. Immersion. I know when I am struggling to control my squad mates that it's not real.

When I am running and gunning, I'm too busy reacting or planning my tactics to think about the game engine. I am immersed.

So for me perhaps the key to all of this is the scenarios. Instead of trying to make an FPS play more and more like an RTS, how about we just go back to focusing on the FPS?

Edited June 21, 2011 by Baff1

[Big Dawg KS 6]

You are delusional Baff1. You clearly seem to hate ArmA/don't care for it's gameplay or style at all, in which case why are you here?

Realism is too ambiguous a word anyway. While some parts of other games may be more realistic, ArmA has realism where others don't and, for the people that enjoy the series, it has realism where it matters most.

I think you are looking for a completely different game...

[froggyluv 2135]

Don't feed the troll.

[mrcash2009 0]

Seems odd to be angry at a sim that you dont like trying to get run & gun out of it, you clearly enjoy the run & gun type/aspect that is catered for perfectly by all other other type's of games.

Why bash your head against a brick wall trying to get something out of Arma it wont give you? Or wont give you what you are truly wanting.

I like to micromanage, You can trip this sim up the more massive the scenario, I stay quite small, so if I do that do I blame BIS wasting time making its potential big ... no, I just suck out of it how I like to play and it works well. Wheres if I want to run n gun for fun it doesn't do it for me in Arma, I turn to other games to do that. Then when Im tired of that, I always know Arma sat waiting for me to do as I wish

Edited June 21, 2011 by mrcash2009

[Richey79 10]

How in God's name does Baff have 2000 posts, and yet I only ever see him posting to defend CodeMasters' latest steaming pile or blatantly trolling?

If Arma turns run 'n' gun, I'll enjoy the new direction and keep on playing A2 at the same time.

I suppose I'd have to have a bit of a quiet cry for the end of an era if they remove tilde - 7 - 3 'all, danger' from proceedings, and go with a command radial.

6 - 1 - 1 'heal that squad leader.'

[Baff1 0]

Codemasters game rocks mate. I'd highly recommend that title to anyone who enjoys this one.

Presumably you feel so insecure about your own opinion as to be made uncomfortable when confronted by someone with a differeing one? I suggest to you if trolling is not what you seek to participate in, that you try and adopt a less antagonistic manner when entering into a discussion.

@MrCash

I wouldn't describe myself as "angry" thanks.

I don't think I have been "blaming BIS".

(Or "hating ArmA").

Like you I certainly don't only play just ArmA and like you I play whichever of my games I am most in the mood for.

But ArmA isn't the perfect be all and end all of games. It still has tricks it could learn from other titles.

Like you I also like to micromanage, but not to the extent of tedium and never to the point of frustration.

You know, ask a soldier to re-arm.... and he runs half a mile away past all the nearby guns to the one outside the enemy camp and gets shot.

This isn't in anyway fun or enjoyable or rewarding.

It takes him 10 minutes to get there, if you are lucky you realise just in time and call him back before he dies.. ect etc etc. 10 minutes later he returns. With no gun. 20 minutes of gametime in exchange for frustration only.

Just as some might say I should find a different game if I like run and gun, equally I could say find a different game if you like micromanagement or RTS. Because ArmA doesn't do that any better than it does CQB.

For that matter it isn't the best at tanks or helicopters or snipers...

ArmA is a flexible game. I don't have to change game everytime I wish to play in a different style. I just play in a different style. Sniper..Squadleader... tanker..pilot... run and gun. Whatever takes my fancy.

There is more than one way to enjoy this title.

How I play the game is broadly speaking defined by the game engine more than any simulation value.

I don't know what you have against run and gun, it rocks to gunfight that way.

I can do snipey snipey or RTS fireteam and enjoy both of them, but nothing beats going ballistic.

I also feel it's a question of accessability, the hardest thing of all about this game is getting my mates to play it with me. A bit of run and gun fluidity doesn't hurt.

@BS Dawg, if you don't welcome alternative points of view to your own, one wonders what you are doing in an online forum.

Edited June 22, 2011 by Baff1

[Big Dawg KS 6]

@BS Dawg, if you don't welcome alternative points of view to your own, one wonders what you are doing in an online forum.