Celebrities you would like to shoot

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 10 2002,04:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We don't want that 'right'.<span id='postcolor'>

We? What? Do you have a turd in your pocket? I doubt that you can speak for all of Sweden.<span id='postcolor'>

We chose that as a society by voting for parties that are restrictive of guns. I can with great certainty say that the vast majority of Sweds wouldn't support free sales of guns.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well considering that Sweden is very small compared to the U.S. it is much easier to run a nation of that size. 70 years ago you were a third world country? GFeez it took you reindeer farmers long enough.

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Well, we had a bad period from about 1800-1950, but profited from not being involved in the world wars. Before that we were one of Europes superpowers (about 1600-1750). About a thousend years before that we had the Vikings. Boy, you  Americans are really a young nation

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Although I disagree with much that you say, I can say your replies are usually intelligent. This statement is just assenine though. The president is far to resticted in power for him to be a monarch. C'mon! Look at the alternative.<span id='postcolor'>

I was referring to the succession to the throne. What is the probability that both the father and his son get to lead a fully democratic society? I believe that North Korea is as close as you get

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Gore is a moron. I'm rather pleased with Bush's performance. <span id='postcolor'>

I liked Gore and would have voted for him if I was American. I liked Clinton even more. Not meant as an offense to you, but I think that Bush is a complete moron. Fortunately he has some competent advisors.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Btw America is not a democracy, it's a republic. <span id='postcolor'>

America is a republic and a democracy per definition. The republic part is that you have a parliament (congress) and a president. The democracy part is that the people choose their representatives in congress.

Now I really have to get off to bed. We'll call this 'cultural differences', and I am sure that we will continue our interesting discussions later

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I liked Gore and would have voted for him if I was American. I liked Clinton even more. Not meant as an offense to you, but I think that Bush is a complete moron. Fortunately he has some competent advisors.

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IIIIIIICCCCCCCKKKKK! YYYYYIIIIKKKKEEESSS!

*hides*

[Warin 0]

Bush is about as sharp as a beachball. Anyone who admits that he has his wife help him out with 'The bigger words' in his speeches, does little to inspire my confidence in his intellectual prowess. Luckily he has guys like Powell and Cheney around to keep him in line.

The US has pretty much become less of a republican democracy and more of a corporate state. The beginning of the end was when the US Supreme court gave a corporation the same rights as a person, back in the late 19th century.

I'm not some raving communist, but the amount of clout the average large corporation wields in the US is horrific.

But as systems go, the one the Americans have is pretty decent. You can express your crackpot opinions and fear only the withering looks of your neighbours... not whether some death squad will turn up and take you away

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ May 10 2002,05:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But as systems go, the one the Americans have is pretty decent.  You can express your crackpot opinions and fear only the withering looks of your neighbours... not whether some death squad will turn up and take you away  <span id='postcolor'>

This is what we keep trying to tell you people lol

We arent perfect, but we try, and do an okay job.

I am, however, worried about the direction our country has taken since the WTC and Pentagon attacks... we truly are at risk of losing our Constitutional freedoms... but we are workin on it, lol

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am, however, worried about the direction our country has taken since the WTC and Pentagon attacks... we truly are at risk of losing our Constitutional freedoms... but we are workin on it, lol

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No shit. Since when does:

Arab Loonies crash planes into buildings = Take guns away from law abiding Americans.

Talk about John Rocker logic.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 10 2002,07:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am, however, worried about the direction our country has taken since the WTC and Pentagon attacks... we truly are at risk of losing our Constitutional freedoms... but we are workin on it, lol

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No shit. Since when does:

Arab Loonies crash planes into buildings = Take guns away from law abiding Americans.

Talk about John Rocker logic.<span id='postcolor'>

I was thinking more along the lines of Congress being on the verge of requiring a national ID, people being held as 'material witnesses' without being charged with any crimes for longer than the writ of habeas corpus allows, and the inability to speak out against the administrations policies because you will be labaeled 'anti-American'

I think you should blame high school kids who snap and blow away 6 of their classmates for gun control

[Aculaud 0]

Also, i forgot about Hanson. Ive been wanting to show them some gun berral for a while.

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think you should blame high school kids who snap and blow away 6 of their classmates for gun control <span id='postcolor'>

ok then: Insecure adolecents that shoot up schools with illegally obtained firearms that they are not old enough to buy = Make it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain firearms legally.

So how does this combat gun related violence hmmm?

Don't go so far as to say that Sept 11th didn't spawn a new frenzy for the liberals to push through some more "feel good" gun control legislation, because they did. Dear old president Bush managed to kill those bills though.

All those other things are true as well. Except you have had a national I.D. your entire life. What do you think your social security number is really for? Certainly not for receiving federal retirement benefits.

How about the flag flying debate: In the "People's Republic of Boulder" here in Colorado, an area infested with ultra-liberals that is only second to Unv. of Cal, Berkley they banned flying the American flag at the Boulder Public Library because "it might offend students of Arabic decent." What kind of shit is that? If you don't like it, get the f&ck out of our country.

[IceFire 0]

Amen.

[InRange 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 10 2002,08:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">(...) How about the flag flying debate: In the "People's Republic of Boulder" here in Colorado, an area infested with ultra-liberals that is only second to Unv. of Cal, Berkley they banned flying the American flag at the Boulder Public Library because "it might offend students of Arabic decent." What kind of shit is that? If you don't like it, get the f&ck out of our country.<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, you have a point there. Left-wing folks are abusing the Sept. 11th attacks to enforce their own views and ideas upon the world.

Personally, I think America would go to shit if it was lead by a socialist party. If I were an American, I'd be happy with the current government since it chooses to protect the rights of it's own people first instead of always looking at the rest of the world before they do something.

And that's something other countries, including mine should do as well: care about your own people first and then care about what the rest of the world thinks about it.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 10 2002,08:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think you should blame high school kids who snap and blow away 6 of their classmates for gun control <span id='postcolor'>

ok then: Insecure adolecents that shoot up schools with illegally obtained firearms that they are not old enough to buy = Make it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain firearms legally.

So how does this combat gun related violence hmmm?<span id='postcolor'>

Oh, dear, you never listen do you? Because 80% of your so called 'illigal' guns are former legal guns that have been stolen. In the case of the school shootings: those were the kids' parents' guns, that were legal.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The US has pretty much become less of a republican democracy and more of a corporate state. The beginning of the end was when the US Supreme court gave a corporation the same rights as a person, back in the late 19th century.

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This is no different then anywhere else in the world. Physical person <=> juridical person <=> corporation. A juridical person can be a real person or a corporation and they have the same rights. That's how it is in Europe too.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But as systems go, the one the Americans have is pretty decent. You can express your crackpot opinions and fear only the withering looks of your neighbours... not whether some death squad will turn up and take you away<span id='postcolor'>

What, do you think that when it is any different in any other democratic country in the world. I think that your problem is that you are very isolated on your continent and get only feedback from your own culture. Therefor you are prone to believe what government propaganda says - i.e that you should be happy to live in America because it is the best country in the world in every respect. I think that you are being fooled. You have social problems that Europe got rid of 100 years ago because of a obsolete dinosaur political system.

Freedom of speech and all those rights are old news. It was really great at the time of the French revolution (when you ripped off the ideas of the French and put it into your constitution), but not today. The world changes all the time and you are lagging behind more and more.

[Major Fubar 0]

<span style='color:red'>I find it incredible just how many threads about different topics can turn into gun control debates. It's absolutely incredible.

On a sidenote, I will shortly be going for my gun license, for hunting purposes. I've found a few friends who go hunting on a semi-regular basis, so I'm very keen to get my license, a gun, and go hunting</span>

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ May 10 2002,01:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have to agree with Advocatxxx whole heartedly.

I cannot stand rap,hip-hop or any of that that degrades society.

People go around talkiing about living in some disgusting ghetto.

It's disgusting, and degrading to normal decent people who must tolerate that kind of crap.

I'm sorry, but I grew up listening to quality music such as Pink Floyd, Hendrix, the Beatles, Grateful dead.

Now you have all these damn stupid kids running around wearing FUBU shirts pretending to be "gangstas" as they call them.

It's disgusting.

I have been Anti-Rap/hip-hop or any of that putrid music that seems to be all about life is some slum.

I'm sorry if this is offencing to anyone.  But I grew up in a good decent neighborhood where decent people lived.

This sort of thing that is spreading all over the nation should be stopped.

I can't stand that I cannot go out somewhere without hearing some cRAP music or someone speaking in this "ebonics" slang.

It's disgusting.  I feel like walking up to them, yelling at them to get some good normal clothing.  And learn to speak correctly.<span id='postcolor'>

I totally agree with that, it's the music i like but there are some real idiots who pretend to be ghetto pimps or something

And they totally suck, but i can guarantee you that there are enough rappers and hip hop singers that don't act like these morons...

[DarkLight 0]

Damn, i double posted, sorry!

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Major Fubar @ May 10 2002,10:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span style='color:red'>I find it incredible just how many threads about different topics can turn into gun control debates. It's absolutely incredible.</span><span id='postcolor'>

I think it is generally amazing how so many different topics end up being US vs Europe debates.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 10 2002,02:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">other non-Hollywood figures I could live without.

1. Diane Feinstien (D, California)

2. Al Gore

3. Tipper Gore (Totalitarian bitch)

4. Oprah Winfrey

5. Janet Reno: I qoute, "If the Constitution bleeds, we can kill it."

The above are anti-gun liberal democrats who are using thier fame to destroy the U.S. constitution.<span id='postcolor'>

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah.

and what's the alternative? Charles Hestern?(sp? that NRA prez)

Just becuase 90% of the ppl can use firearms responsibly, that doesn't mean that 10% can abuse it. AFAIS, 2nd amendment is assuming that you are capable of responsible firearm handling, not just blind distribution of it.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ May 09 2002,21:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ May 09 2002,14:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ May 09 2002,20:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This one's gotta go!

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wwwwwaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

you are so mean!  <span id='postcolor'>

You'd think after eating so much glue, he'd be dead already.

Hey Ralph, do you remember what episode has Ralph eating the glue?

-=Die Alive=-<span id='postcolor'>

yup yup yup....just about every episode

[ralphwiggum 6]

Late jump in.

I have to agree with Denoir.

Sorry USSoldier11B, You are a prime example of soldier, somewhat apart from normal joes.

Ok, first let me talk about Gore-Bush election result. Gore won popularity vote. no question about it. that means that many americans who voted favored gore over bush. Furthermore, many ppl said they liked Bush for his face, not issue. Gore supporters were impressed by his issue handling.

now, what's difference btw socialism and capitalism? not much to me. I really don't understand why EU countries sacrifice their economic developement over overly socialist agenda, but that does not mean they are loosers. If anyone ready communist manifesto by Marx(Karl MArx, not Richard Marx), he states that evolution of communism will follow after capitalism is exhausted. Socialism tends to be closer to it than capitalism that US has.

But what is socialsm and capitalism's common thread? They both encourage economic activity, but differ in distribution of wealth. most of you will be surprised to learn that even under communist states, there is economics class in college. What happens here is that socialist nations tend to distribute wealth equaly to everyone(or tries to), while pure capitalists tend to give reward to those who succeed.

Which one is better? can't tell. Socialism usually incorporates social steadyness in sacrifice of economic growth.

ok let me stop here...i'll edit it...need to go somewhere

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 10 2002,08:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think you should blame high school kids who snap and blow away 6 of their classmates for gun control <span id='postcolor'>

ok then: Insecure adolecents that shoot up schools with illegally obtained firearms that they are not old enough to buy = Make it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain firearms legally.

All those other things are true as well. Except you have had a national I.D. your entire life. What do you think your social security number is really for? Certainly not for receiving federal retirement benefits.<span id='postcolor'>

I never said it was right, I was just pointing out that chool shootings have been the main catalyst for passing new gun control legislation, not Sept. 11.

And yeah, we do have SS numbers, but do you have to show your Social Security number every time you cross a state line, board an airline, or go through customs? Nope. However, there is new legislation in the House and Senate that is proposing a national id of some kind, that you would be required to pull out when engaged in these sorts of activities

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ May 10 2002,16:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">now, what's difference btw socialism and capitalism? not much to me. I really don't understand why EU countries sacrifice their economic developement over overly socialist agenda, but that does not mean they are loosers. If anyone ready communist manifesto by Marx(Karl MArx, not Richard Marx), he states that evolution of communism will follow after capitalism is exhausted. Socialism tends to be closer to it than capitalism that US has.

But what is socialsm and capitalism's common thread? They both encourage economic activity, but differ in distribution of wealth. most of you will be surprised to learn that even under communist states, there is economics class in college. What happens here is that socialist nations tend to distribute wealth equaly to everyone(or tries to), while pure capitalists tend to give reward to those who succeed.

Which one is better? can't tell. Socialism usually incorporates social steadyness in sacrifice of economic growth.<span id='postcolor'>

Thank you Ralph, I entirely agree with you.

There is a classical example from population dynamics that handles the issue of doing what is best for yourself vs. doing what's best for the group. If we only act out of self interest with no consideration to others we will sabotage each others attempts to succeed and therefor hamper the overall progress. If we only act out of common iterests we will let good opportunities pass by and therefor hamper the overall progress. The trick lies in doing what is best for yourself while taking what is best for everybody in consideration.

Capitalism takes a Darwinian approach on everything; the strongest wins. The problem with that is that it isn't very compatible with our customs and moral requirements. You don't kill your neighbour because he has a good looking wife and you are stronger than him. So capitalism isn't very compatible with our core set of values. We need these values to survive as a population.

Communism takes an egalitarian approach on everything; everybody is equal. The problem with that is that it isn't very compatible with human nature. Greed and ambition are core human mechanims. We need that to survive as individuals.

Free market economy is currently the only economical system that works after a fashion. It is very inefficient but leads to development and good quality products. The down sides of it are that the basic idea of free trade gets perverted into an unstable system where you have to improve to survive (a good profit for a company is not enough, it has to do better then it has the previous year or its stocks will plummet).

We have also several common traits and needs as human beings. We have the universal needs for safety, security, healthcare and so on. Therefor we have governments to take care of that. That part is about the common good that we all have our interests in. That is the Socialist part.

What is the ideal solution then? Well some form of Free Market Socialism, is the obvious answer. The question is where you put the limits on the capitalist and the socialist part. There is no country in the world that has only one part. IMO the Soviet union was too far off on the socialist side while USA is still today far off on the capitalist side. But, as I said before, things are changing. W. has in his program much more social concerns then his father had. The fact that Gore won the popular vote despite his lack of charisma and appeal shows that there is an interest in the development on the social side.

[Sadico 1]

Here is my top 10:

1. The prez of my country Jose María Aznar (shoot him twice, with a 20mm antimaterial rifle, at point blank range, in the head.)

2. His ministers

3. The king

4. The Backstreet boys

5. N'sync (i don't know how to write it, but you know who i mean)

6. Leonardo Di Caprio

7. Brad Pitt

8. Le Pen

9. Meg Ryan (omg, i hate that bitch! )

10. Jesulin De Ubrique, famous bull fighter and one of the biggest morons in history.

[advocatexxx 0]

Meg Ryan ? How can you hate Meg Ryan ? Nobody hates Meg Ryan.

How can you hate Meg Ryan ?

[Sadico 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Meg Ryan ? How can you hate Meg Ryan ? Nobody hates Meg Ryan.

How can you hate Meg Ryan ?<span id='postcolor'>

Maybe i'm not human...

[barret 0]

To tell you the truth, I voted for him (well when our school had this lil voting booth I voted for gore).

I absolutely hate GEORGE BUSH. And, no one seems to have named him. He hasn't done much for this country. A few laws, and a war.

[Sadico 1]

Fuck, i forgot him! He is almost as inteligent as the bull fighter, but a lot more dangerous because he is the most powerful man in the world!