Apache flares to good vs AA?

[mandoble 1]

These are not mando ones.

[sprayer_faust 0]

Dear Community,

Your ideas and concerns are not unheard and could probably most likely realized if you vote on these (or of course other) CIT tickets in sheer masses:

http://dev-heaven.net/issues/12692 (Countermeasures too effective)

http://dev-heaven.net/issues/15976 (Flares shall have enemy signature)

http://dev-heaven.net/issues/15980 (Aircraft armored too well, take too many AA hits)

All you need is a nickname, a password, an, if you're new to the CIT, an e-mail address. :bounce3:

-Fireball

Thanks for adding the new issue reports (last two links). Voted. Setting flares as IR-lockable objects is a great idea - of course only after the whole countermeasure system is fixed - kudos for that.

[avengerzx 10]

in afganistan shot down 78-80 mi24 only 29 shot down by IR missileS. in hind fire 553 stinger missile give only 89 hit & only 18 shot down by stinger missile .for shot down need 2-3 hit by stinger. ONLY 2 hind shot down after 1 hit missile. 20-25 mm canon & 12,7-14,5 mm machinegun is main shot down factor. armor of hind give him resistans to 30-40 hit 20-25 mm shell hit about 100 times of 12,7 mm bullet.

Source:

[sprayer_faust 0]

That is correct: a little less than 80 hinds were shot down. Though I don't know where he got the other numbers. There are multiple sources concerning the success of stingers in Afghanistan. Naturally the Americans claim a huge success:

A more rigorous U.S. Army analysis was conducted in early 1989 by a team sent to “go sit with the Mujahedin†in Pakistan for several weeks. It concludes that by war’s end the rebels had scored “approximately 269 kills in about 340 engagements†with the Stinger, for a remarkable 79 percent kill ratio.

And as can also be seen in that youtube comment you posted (author is Russian), the Russians disagree:

Selig Harrison rejects such figures, quoting a Russian general who claims the United States “greatly exaggerated†Soviet and Afghan aircraft losses during the war. However, the findings of the U.S. study are not necessarily out of line with the Soviets’ own statistics that he cites....

...it is not implausible that somewhere in the range of 269 were shot down with Stingers.

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As for the kill ratio, it is impossible to confirm.

After the Soviets introduced countermeasures the stinger's effectiveness fell, but that's because the Mujahedin had been supplied with the basic version of stinger (no counter-countermeasure ability):

The Stinger - Passive Optical Seeker Technique (POST) variant replaces the original reticle-scan analog seeker with a dual IR and ultraviolet (UV) detector........ when production of both the basic Stinger and Stinger-POST ended, more than 15,000 basic Stinger and almost 600 Stinger-POST missiles had been produced (production running from 1981 to 1987).

So go figure which one the Americans supplied to the Mujahedin and which one they kept for themselves.

The combat effectiveness of the Stingers—at least in their original configuration—was indeed compromised. The resulting impact on American security interests, however, was minimal. By war’s end, U.S. Stinger technology had already advanced two generations and, more importantly, the cold war was drawing to a close.

And that's my point. The current generation missiles are not comparable to the ones that were used in Afghanistan.

Sources:

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-79176.html

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/stinger.htm