archbishop lazarus

What propaganda you are talking about? Most, if not all ukrainian aircraft were downed by Strelas/Iglas. FACT Three full Buk divisions in the area when MH17 was downed. FACT Absolutely no straight evidence against EITHER side. FACT Propaganda would be if I'd try to provide false information about one side in favor of the other. I didnt do that. Maybe that Im not automatically condemning russia, DNR, LNR, which is a trend in the west, is a propaganda for you? Check back what I wrote: its 50-50% for either side, because both had motives for doing it! (oh yes, maybe its also a propaganda that I even dare to say this, instead of accepting the "truth" coming from the western mainstream media, which "isnt biased", and "never lies"?)

But lets see those "multiple" planes shot down by your "Buks" Here are the list of losses: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_aircraft_losses_during_the_Ukrainian_crisis First, we can immediately exclude helicopters from the list, due to their low altitude. All shot down by Strelas, Iglas, and AA guns. Same with Su-25s. So, remaining are 2 MiG-29s, 1 Su-24, 1 IL-76, 1 An-26 and one An-30. This latter was shot down, surprise surprise, by Strela/Igla. Same with the IL-76. So, we have 2 MiG-29s 1 Su-24 and one An-26. The two 29s and the 24 was almost certainly shot down again by Strelas/Iglas because they were performing ground attacks from low altitude. In the end, there is the An-26. So much about your "multiple" planes at high alt. EDIT: And there is entirely possible that the An-26 was again shot down by Igla... The Antonov was definitely not flying at 6500 meters, as the ukrainians lied... http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/what-weapon-was-used-to-shot-down-ukraine-air-force-antonov-26-at-july-14/

Yes, also you should not troll this forum with pro-junta propaganda... Then tell me, why the hell there were 3 (THREE) pro-junta Buk divisions in the area? Neither DNR or LNR had ANY aircraft! Then why THREE full Buk divisions? Why such strong air defense? Maybe shooting down pigeons who are constatnly shitting on their soldiers? And why one division was relocated to the launch zone, presented by Almaz-Antey, exactly when MH17 was shot down? Anyway. Most ukrainian aircrafts were downed with Strelas. Not with "Buk". Hell, you are exactly like soviets! For them, every german tank was a "Tiger" and every SPG "Ferdinand". For you, every AA missile is a "Buk". And Im not even asking you of differentiating a PZU and a SOU...

What use you are talking about? Nothing proves that they used it! Then what about the other 2 pro-junta AD units in the area, and an additional maintenance base, full with SOUs? For me, it seems you deliberately "forget" about them, and just trying to accuse russians just because it is a trend in the west! Maybe indeed they did it, but the chance is not higher than that pro-junta units were the offenders! There you go. The area was full of pro-junta units! All armed with Buk-M1, and not just a single SOU, but complete divisions, with the required KP and SOC, and several SOUs and PZUs all present! http://kremlintroll.nl/?p=569

THIS! Anyway, absolutely no evidence for anything other than a 9N314M warhead detonated near the plane. Both side had reasons. Its also possible that this was just a "private action" of some psychopathic soldiers, from either side, without orders from their superiors. So there is no point of accusing anybody.

Then how would you explain that in the said area, there were at least 3 pro-Kiev AD units, with Buk missile systems? And on the other hand, the Kiev junta also had a reason of shooting the plane down: Knowing they cant win the war only themselves, they shoot down the plane, simply blaming the LNR/DNR militias, hoping for a NATO intervention? So, actually either side had reasons to do it. And Im not trying to defend either. Unfortunately, it is highly likely we will never know the truth about this. Nobody could provide anything that would prove who did it. The only thing we know, that MH17 was shot down by a 9M38M1 missile. Nothing else!

Kerry openly admits, they help Al-Nusra! (=al qaeda)

I would avoid using the term "FSA". Today, it is actually a loose conglomeration of different groups, whose common goal is toppling the Assad regime. Yes, there are (or were?) moderate groups, but unfortunately, there are lot more jihadist radicals, like Ahrar as Sham. Already in 2013, at least 50% of them were jihadists. Today, god knows. I'd estimate 95%. They openly cooperate with Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (ex Al-Nusra Front), also with Al-Qaeda, rarely, even with IS! http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/extremist-element-among-syrian-rebels-growing-worry-f8C11115141 Acutally, the real FSA existed for a short time only, at the beginning of the civil war, and consisted of deserted SAA soldiers. But later, all of them were absorbed by the successor groups. I'd strongly recommend checking Mimi Al Laham's videos (Syrian Girl) https://www.youtube.com/user/SyrianGirlpartisan/videos

Very well said! The problem is, that lots of people, especially in the west, see it differently, but actually, there is no black and white. Only shades of grey. There were surely problems with the Assad regime. But on the other hand, the "FSA" is also nothing more than just another jihadist, extremist group. So yes, Syria should be united under the current regime, and then they could be judged for crimes, if there were any...

Well, getting a rain of nuke is a bit too much. There are lots of innocent people out there. On the other hand, I totally agree with you. The government, totally controlled by megacorporations and bankers, is indeed do nothing but wage wars, bringing destruction and suffering around the world, solely for their own profit! And of course domination over the whole world, to create new world order. Too bad Mimi Al Lahan does not get more media coverage, everything she says is true!

USA showed its real face! They are now actively supporting the Islamic state!

Well, actually there is NOTHING that would prove that the collapse of the towers was caused by the planes. On the other hand, there are countless facts prove that it was a controlled demolition! Yes, they were definitely involved. "The issue at hand is the classified, 28-page section of the 9/11 commission report, which many experts and politicians with knowledge of the documents have said point to Saudi Arabian government officials’ direct role in the terror attacks. This is why the Saudis put out a stern warning several days ago threatening to dump up to $750 billion in U.S. assets if Senate Bill 2040 becomes law; S.B. 2040 would make public the 28 pages and also allow for victims of 9/11 to sue foreign governments found responsible." http://anonhq.com/us-govt-saudi-arabia-dont-want-americans-knowing-truth-911/

So, it turns out the conspiracy was indeed true. Everybody knew this (though some didnt want to admit), but it is now official! http://anonhq.com/european-scientific-journal-concludes-911-was-a-controlled-demolition/

More enthusiasm, please! Hehehehe :D Up to now, they were welcome. Now what is this lack of enthusiasm? Be glad that wesetern europe becomes even more multikulti! When they arrive, you should greet them, if not, you might be labelled nazi!

Hahahaha... Typical... You perfectly know that Im right, but you wont admit, so instead dodge the question entirely... The questions were very simple, everybody can answer them, and the answer is obvious. Anybody who has even a tiny bit of love for his/her country answers without hesitation "NO", only traitors answer "YES". But well, western europe is full of traitors (=liberals), so I dont wonder about that... And btw, there are no "separatists" in eastern ukraine. They do NOT want a separate country. They started their resistance movement, because they dont want to be slaves of the Troika (EU, ECB, IMF). If one looks back, its evident that they were right. Just look at the cesspit, called "ukraine". Corruption is higher than ever before, ordinary people are poorer than ever before, the IMF dictates everything, they even lost a sizeable portion of their own land to western corporations... Next year, Monsanto begins sowing their cancer-crops. People of eastern ukraine were brave enough to say NO to EU, they deserve respect for this! Here is the truth you brainwashed westerners desperately want to hide, you immediately call it propaganda, but you cant hide the facts no matter how you try! Oh, and also, dont pretend that NATO didnt support terrorist organizations. "moderate" "democratic" opposition never existed in syria, all of them radical jihadists, even your media admitted it!

Just asking... How would you like, if some agressive minority would want to rip out a part of your own country? Would you like it? Would you support it? Kurds deserve what they got. Damned terrorists! How strange... NATO member attacking a US backed faction... You didnt complain when turks were bombing IS... Or when any NATO member bombed Al-Kaida...

More saudi losses. M-60A3 hit, huge detonation throws the turret several meters in the air. (4:00)

Definitely lots of people. Shows very well how popular the Houthis there. I hope they get lots of new recruits, and drive out the saudi invaders from their home.

What else? Islamisation of western europe! This is their gratitude for accepting them into germany. These are the "peaceful refugees" who are so much loved by the left-liberal government. "The rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal."

Mikhail Gorbachev says Nato is escalating Cold War with Russia 'into a hot one' "Nato has begun preparations for escalating from the Cold War into a hot one. All the rhetoric in Warsaw just yells of a desire almost to declare war on Russia. They only talk about defence, but actually they are preparing for offensive operations.†http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/nato-chief-russia-soviet-mikhail-gorbachev-ukraine-eastern-europe-tensions-jens-stoltenberg-unified-a7128521.html Honestly, I think he is completely right. NATO has gone too far. They spread the hysteria of an "imminent russian attack", and unfortunately, lots of people believes this BS. We are slowly but surely getting closer and closer to WW3, and it is certain that it will be a nuclear holocaust. NATO, do you really want this?

And on the other hand, there is plenty of evidence of an ongoing genocide committed by Israel against palestinian people. Anybody who tries to even talk about this, is immediately considered antisemitic. Also the countless murders committed by mossad around the world...

Hmmm, CIA is preparing another colour revolution?

Exactly! And not only leave them in shambles, they will be the slaves of IMF. If they do something "wrong", IMF immediately stops the money flowing. This coercion strategy works flawlessly. Only solution is kick IMF the hell out of the country while it isnt too late. We did it, so regained some freedom, and also our economy began recovering. Absolutely agree. This is a sad truth. EU is going in the right direction to became the modern, ultraliberal counterpart of Stalin's soviet union.

Well, not the bankruptcy is the main problem, but the insane levels of corruption. And "thanks" to this, a cancerous tumor grows in EU day by day, it is called Islam. EU needs an illiberal reform, it should be a loose economical alliance of member states, not a left-liberal dictarorship that it is now.

I think this is a most fortunate event. Brits voted for their freedom. So should every other country. I REALLY hope that this will finally starts the EU on the road to collapse.