The Far East Thread

[ProfTournesol 956]

Well in fact, i think that India isn't as peaceful as we may think. Hindouist extremists are very violent, the Indian casts system is very problematic and against human rights. Maybe the OP could inform us about this.

[riffleman 20]

@prof tournsel

What you want to say explain it,i have answer of you question.

[ProfTournesol 956]

@prof tournsel

What you want to say explain it,i have answer of you question.

Well, i would like you to explain us how the casts system works and if it has consequences on your all day life.

[vilas 477]

don't you think we don't have casts ?

some child born in rich families and get best education, some born in poor families and no chances to finish study or medical care (US)

some child born as son of director and gets good job as next director while you are unemployed cause noone read you CV or "he is too good, he is threat for family"

some child born as son of lawyer and get corporation right to become a lawyer (PL)

[riffleman 20]

Well, i would like you to explain us how the casts system works and if it has consequences on your all day life

iam from hindu religion,i respect all religion and have friend from all religion,iam from upper cast(soldier/rajput).but i never discrminate.in hindu religion there are four cast,1brahman

2 shatriya 3 vashya 4 shudra.iam from 2nd one.

there is castism very much,people marry in there cast,if they married outside then they have to fight agains religion.

take example of me as my lover from 3 one cast{vashya),i love him very much.if i want to married her than i have to face anger of my religion/cast.but in my case my family have no problem,but my lover family member neglect me,

i think now you get my point,

[ProfTournesol 956]

iam from hindu religion,i respect all religion and have friend from all religion,iam from upper cast(soldier/rajput).but i never discrminate.in hindu religion there are four cast,1brahman

2 shatriya 3 vashya 4 shudra.iam from 2nd one.

there is castism very much,people marry in there cast,if they married outside then they have to fight agains religion.

take example of me as my lover from 3 one cast{vashya),i love him very much.if i want to married her than i have to face anger of my religion/cast.but in my case my family have no problem,but my lover family member neglect me,

i think now you get my point,

yes, but apart from weddings - every religions create troubles with weddings - , how do you consider the lowest cast, the "untouchables" ?

I've read somewhere (dunno where) that those casts were initially based on the colour of the skin : the upper casts are descendant from the "Aryans", with a "clear" skin colour, and the lower casts have a darker skin colour. Is it true ?

[riffleman 20]

No it is not true.as iam living in himalaya there are my cast people everywhere.in our country parts like uttar pradesh,Bihar where hindus and muslims are much in number.so chance of quarell increases.

[riffleman 20]

"Russia to build up to 16 nuclear reactors in India"

Russia will build up to 16 nuclear reactors for power stations in India, Russia's deputy premier said on Friday during a visit to India with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to reaffirm decades-old ties.

Russia is competing with French and American firms for lucrative contracts to build nuclear power plants for energy-hungry India because Asia's third-largest economy needs to boost its supply to help sustain rapid economic growth.

"The agreement sees construction of up to sixteen nuclear reactors in three locations," Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov told reporters.

Putin pledged on Friday to boost banking and technology cooperation with India, seeking to bolster ties with a Cold War ally that has been shifting focus towards the United States.

Russia wants to boost trade with India to $20 billion by 2015 from the current $8 billion. Together with China and Brazil, Russia and India make up the so-called BRIC group of major emerging economies, whose global influence is rising.

The two nations also seek a greater role in stabilising the region because both share security interests emanating from Islamist militant violence and the war in Afghanistan.

"India is our strategic partner ... which is an evidence that our geopolitical interests almost fully coincide," Putin told a conference with businessmen in the Indian capital New Delhi.

Setting the tone for his one-day visit mainly aimed at keeping one of the world's biggest arms importers interested in Russian weapons, Putin offered state financial aid for the Indian telecoms unit of Russian conglomerate Sistema.

Sistema, controlled by billionaire Vladimir Yevtushenkov, is looking to deepen its investment in Sistema Shyam TeleServices, a joint venture with India's Shyam group.

"We are ready to contribute funds for your joint activity," Putin said in response to a question by a Shyam group official.

Yevtushenkov later said the Russian government would become a shareholder in Shyam.

Putin also vowed to remove hurdles in the banking sector that he said were hampering mutual trade, and signalled that the government was ready to encourage joint ventures and acquisitions in the sector.

U.S. INFLUENCE

India struck a landmark civilian nuclear deal with the United States in 2008, ending the isolation it had experienced since an atomic test in 1974 and giving it access to U.S. technology and fuel, while also opening up the global nuclear market to India.

As India begins to lean more on the United States, Moscow fears losing not only influence over New Delhi but the bulk of its $100 billion defence market as well.

Putin's visit is likely to produce deals worth more than $10 billion mainly in defence contracts, nuclear reactors and trade.

Ivanov also said Russia would deliver the refurbished Gorshkov aircraft carrier to India by the end of 2012, an issue which has troubled relations between the two powers.

Russia and India signed a contract worth $1.5 billion on Friday for Moscow to supply 29 MiG 29 K fighters, the CEO of Russian plane maker Sukhoi, Mikhail Pogosyan, said.

Pogosyan also said he expected a joint venture with the state-run Indian company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited to manufacture around 200 fifth-generation fighter jets.

Fifth-generation jets, such as the U.S. F-22 Raptor stealth fighters which first flew in 1997, are invisible to radar and boast "intelligent" on-board flight and arms control systems and supersonic cruising speeds.

Putin sought to assure Indian businessmen that Russian nuclear reactors were safe. Russia has almost completed equipment delivery for two reactors at Kudankulam nuclear power station and is in talks to build two more reactors.

"Our reactors can sustain a crash of a medium-range passenger plane," Putin said, seeking to demonstrate that Russian plants could withstand even Sept.11, 2001-style attacks.

The two countries also agreed to strengthen cooperation in hydrocarbons through greater collaboration between oil and gas companies, but did not announce any firm energy deals[/Quote]

[DenisRUS 10]

riffleman what do you think about Russia-India cooperation?

[riffleman 20]

riffleman what do you think about Russia-India cooperation? [/Quote]

both are old friend and will remain,both country have same thinking so.india is biggest importer of weapons from russia you should know that.indian army have similar weapons as russian army has

@DenisRUS

looking like you are russian guy,whats your thinking about india and russia relation.

Edited March 15, 2010 by riffleman
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[DenisRUS 10]

riffleman i think it is on good level ,but both countries must more cooperate in the war on terrorism,drugs and weapon traffic. More joint exercises and trainings should be performed,so it will help India in cleaning all that criminal scum and gain piece in the northen part of the country.

BTW what is the name of Indian analogue of our Federal Security Service (KGB former)?

[riffleman 20]

Did you mean that secret/intelligence bureau.that is "RAW"

[niall0 10]

Can I ask what the general view is in India in the conflicts in Afghanistan and West Pakistan? Seeing as they are quite close neightbours.

To be fair, although I knew there was a bit of a relationship with Russia and India, I never knew it was so strong, and being British I'm surprised we don't have as much input into the military over there. Being a former colony and that.

[spooky lynx 73]

As I remember, most of Indian military hardware untill late 60-s was that of British origin - Centurions, small arms, Hunter jet-fighters and other planes, some artillery pieces such as L118 gun.

[riffleman 20]

Can I ask what the general view is in India in the conflicts in Afghanistan and West Pakistan? Seeing as they are quite close neightbours.

To be fair, although I knew there was a bit of a relationship with Russia and India, I never knew it was so strong, and being British I'm surprised we don't have as much input into the military over there. Being a former colony and that. [/Quote]

India never invade any country of world,conflicts in Afghanistan and West Pakistan are matter of there internal security/threat india did have intrest at any country internal matter as our home minister say.

if they trouble us than they will see what we can do.

till the battle of 1965 we have almost all british armor,but after that we purchase weapons and armor from friend country russia,which is dealer of ammo.

british follow american whole world know that,whatever american say britisher say yes it is right.

As I remember, most of Indian military hardware untill late 60-s was that of British origin - Centurions, small arms, Hunter jet-fighters and other planes, some artillery pieces such as L118 gun[/Quote]

that is true but after 1965 battle we buy weapons from russia

[riffleman 20]

No decline in Pak support to terrorists: Army chief

There has been "no decline" in support from Pakistan to terrorists in Jammu and Kashmir and top militant leaders including Hafiz Saeed are operating with impunity from its territory despite international pressure after Mumbai terror attacks,Army Chief Deepak Kapoor has said.

Pointing to ISI and Pakistan army officials aiding terrorist camps and the functioning of top militant leaders including Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Hafiz Saeed and Hizbul Mujahideen''s Syed Salahuddin from Pakistani soil, General Kapoor said the terrorists "are probably more emboldened".

"The comparison of pre and post 26/11 period reveals that there is no decline or change in the quantum of Pak support to terrorists'' operations in J&K. To the contrary, the terrorists are probably more emboldened by the sustained support enjoyed by them despite international pressure on Pak, post 26/11," he said.

"The support to terrorism from across the border continues even today. The terrorist infrastructure and training camps do exist. These trained terrorists thereafter infiltrate into Indian borders to perpetrate violence."

The assistance is provided for infiltration, incursions, recce, coordination and logistics or intelligence support through establishing launch pads existing along the LoC, Kapoor said in an interview to recently published Manas Defence Yearbook.

"In recent times, Syed Salahuddin accompanied by Pak Army and ISI officials visits launch pads all along the LoC. At the behest of Pak, he is also exhorting his cadres to step up violence in J&K," Kapoor said[/Quote]

[kahn 10]

China and India dont like each other very much do they....

[riffleman 20]

Yes it is true,but both countries did't say a word against each other publicly.

Edited March 20, 2010 by riffleman
Warning effect.

[riffleman 20]

Pakistan seeks benefits from US cooperation

Pakistan is seeking broader cooperation with the United States on Wednesday on a range of areas from trade to military hardware, hoping to reap the benefits of its recent action against the Taliban.

President Barack Obama's administration has cautiously welcomed what it sees as a shift in Pakistan and is looking to convince the country's public, where anti-Americanism runs rife, that it is committed to a long-term partnership.

Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi and General Ashfaq Kayani, head of the powerful army, will hold a first-of-a-kind "strategic dialogue" with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday.

"We want to take our relationship to a deeper level," Clinton told Pakistan's Dunya TV on the eve of the talks.

"We can't just wave that magic wand and say we've eliminated the trust deficit," she said, pledging to go to Islamabad for further rounds. "This takes time, and we have to build it step by step."

Qureshi and Kayani met on Tuesday with Senators John Kerry and Richard Lugar, who authored last year's bill that promised $7.5 billion in aid over five years to build Pakistan's infrastructure and democratic institutions.

Many Pakistanis are distrustful of the United States, remembering how it distanced itself in the 1990s after teaming up with Islamabad to arm Islamic guerrillas who ousted Soviet troops from Afghanistan.

"There is a recognition now in the United States that the cyclical nature of our relationship has benefited neither Pakistan nor the United States," said Husain Haqqani, Pakistan's ambassador to the United States.

"Everybody talks about the anti-Americanism in Pakistan. It would not have been there if the United States had been seen by the people of Pakistan as a consistent and reliable partner."

The Pakistani side came to Washington with a wishlist for further cooperation, including military hardware and trade incentives, people close to the talks said.

Pakistan is hoping the United States will agree to give Islamabad more unmanned drones to operate itself in lawless areas.

The United States has launched more than 90 drone strikes in Pakistan since August 2008, killing more than 830 people, according to local sources. US officials say they have killed top Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants, but the Pakistani government bristles at the undercutting of its sovereignty.

Pakistan is also seeking greater access to US markets, including for its textiles, arguing that US economic aid is insufficient if its goods still face prohibitive tariffs.

Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell downplayed expectations for major announcements, saying it was a mistake to see the dialogue as "a discussion of requests and replies."

Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has launched ambitious military offensives against homegrown Taliban militants, sending about 30,000 troops into South Waziristan last year.

US officials have also praised Pakistan for the recent arrest of the Afghan Taliban's second-in-command, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar.

But some have questioned Pakistan's motivations. The former UN envoy to Afghanistan, Kai Eide, said the arrest closed secret communications with the Taliban to reach a settlement in Pakistan's northern neighbor.

Lisa Curtis of the Heritage Foundation think-tank said the dialogue was meant to show that the United States has a long-term interest in Pakistan beyond Afghanistan, which joined in three-way talks last year.

"The main problem is that the United States and Pakistan are still far apart in terms of how they perceive the situation in Afghanistan," she said.

"The US is of course seeking to ensure the Taliban cannot return to power, while Pakistan is mainly interested in limiting Indian influence."

The United States seems certain to shoot down one Pakistani aspiration -- recognition and acceptance as a nuclear power.

Pakistan's historic rival India in 2008 signed a landmark deal on civil nuclear cooperation with the United States.

But unlike in India's case, US officials have concerns about Pakistani proliferation. The father of Pakistan's bomb, Abdul Qadeer Khan, has admitted to leaking nuclear secrets to Iran, Libya and North Korea, although he later retracted his remarks.

Asked by Pakistan's Express TV if nuclear cooperation could assuage the country's chronic energy shortages, Clinton said there were "more immediate steps that can be taken" including upgrading power plants.[/Quote]

all these things will be going to use against india.

[riffleman 20]

India, Russia set up a USD 600 million aircraft Joint Venture

India and Russia are to invest USD 600 million to set up a joint venture (JV) to produce a medium lift transport aircraft for their armed forces.

While Bangalore based state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will fork out USD 300 million, Russia's United Aircraft Cooperation (UAC) will invest a similar amount for the joint venture which will start rolling out the aircraft by 2017.

The Voice of Russia radio said that the joint venture coming up with fifty-fifty equity would develop the aircraft at Aviastar-SP plant based in Ulyanovsk city on Volga. The Indian Air Force is expected to order at least 35 and Russian Air Force as many as 100 medium lift transport aircraft.

In its basic configuration the new transport aircraft will have a payload capacity of 18.5 tons of cargo and can fly up to a a distance of 2500 km in any climatic conditions.

The aircraft is being designed to also operate from high altitude mountain airstrips, according to information posted on UAC website. India hopes that the new medium lift transport aircraft will replace its ageing fleet of 104 AN-32 aircraft.

Though India has signed a contract worth USD 398 million for the upgradation of these aircrafts between this year to 2017, the new plane will replace it.

[spooky lynx 73]

It is said in some publications that India was operator of BMD-1 (other was Iraq). But I haven't seen any photos of them or any information about. Are they still used in Indian army?

[riffleman 20]

i did't have any idea but now i will check that as iam from indian army bacgroud.by the way check this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sniperz11/Indian_BMD_Resources

Edited March 29, 2010 by riffleman
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[riffleman 20]

Raipur, Apr 6 (PTI) In the deadliest attack on security forces, Naxals trapped and gunned down 73 security personnel during a joint "Operation Green Hunt" offensive by forces this morning in the thick forests of Mukrana in Dantewada district of Chattisgarh, one of the strongholds of Maoists. The incident took place between 6 AM and 7 AM when nearly 80 personnel comprising CRPF and state police were returning after opening a road for the troops to begin an operation against Naxals.

While 72 of those killed were CRPF personnel, including a deputy and an assistant commandant, one was a head constable of the district police. Dantewada Superintendent of Police Amresh Mishra said the Naxals first blew up a vehicle carrying the CRPF personnel near Chintalnar-Tarmetla village in the district.

Immediately after the blast, the CRPF personnel and a few police personnel tried to take cover when they came under heavy fire from hundreds of Naxals, well entrenched on the adjacent hillock. The CRPF team had been camping in the interiors of Tarmetla jungles for the last three days as part of a combing operation and area domination exercise, Mishra said.

The attack shook the Centre and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh called Home Minister P Chidambaram over telephone to make an assessment of the situation. Both of them expressed shock over the attack and grief over the loss of lives.

While the Prime Minister called it "horrific" incident, Chidambaram said it showed the brutality and savagery of the Maoists. Rattled by the "very high" casualty, Chidambaram said something must have gone "drastically wrong" in the joint operation as the personnel seemed to have walked into a trap.

Bodies of the 73 personnel have been recovered from the site of the attack suspected to have been carried out by about 1000 Naxals, Inspector General R K Vij said. The Naxals had planted IEDs which blew up an anti-mine vehicle killing the lone occupant, the driver.

This was followed by heavy exchange of fire between the remaining CRPF personnel and the Maoists. Eight of the injured CRPF men have been evacuated for treatment from the forest area, he said.

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very shocking incident for CRPF personel,when will this end.now goverment will take a strict action against NAXALS. Edited April 6, 2010 by riffleman
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[riffleman 20]

sorry for double post

UK town to install statue to honour Indian soldiers

Moves are afoot to install a statue in a prominent location in the East Midlands town of Leicester to honour the contribution of Indian soldiers to the British Army during the First and Second World Wars.

A committee, called the Leicester United Group's War Memorial Committee, set up in 2009 to decide how the statue would look and where it would be placed, has identified the Peace Walk in Victoria Park in the town.

Local Indian-origin councillor Culdipp Singh Bhatti, who is a member of the committee, has a personal interest in the statue – his father-in-law, Captain Chajja Singh Kler, joined the British Indian Army at 16 and retired at 52.

Bhatti said, "There are lessons to be learnt about fighting together against ideas which threaten the way you live your life and I think it's important to get those across with the statue. We thought an appropriate location would be Peace Walk, near the current memorial, this would also show unity and the fact that everybody fought together."

Committee secretary Raj Mann, whose two great-grandfathers fought for the British Indian Army, said, "I am pleased one of the main aims of the project is to educate our youth about the collective international sacrifice in the Great Wars".

Leicestershire county manager for the British Legion Richard Foster said, "As far as the Royal British Legion is concerned we give them our full support. Anyone who fights and dies for our country deserves to be honoured, our debt of gratitude is owed to everyone who fought for us."

Created in 1859, the British Indian Army existed until Indian Independence in 1947. The committee plans to ask Design students at local universities to draw up designs, which will be presented to Leicester City Council.

Committee spokesman John Coster said an important aspect of the memorial was including local people and materials. He said, "It's about celebrating our diverse city and showing the communities that live here have earned the right to call it home".

my grandfather also serve British Roayal Army in 2ND World War,good intiative by UK.

[tiket 0]

Good thing to remember brave soldiers ,but UK take decision after 70 years.