Pappy60 10 Posted October 20, 2009 I am interested in having some helo missions made for training purposes....my mission building skills are very poor and it will take me months to make something to be proud of...I am looking for a mission builder that can build a set of missions specifically based around helo transport and helo close air support. I would like something that gets progressively more difficult and offers enough diversity to keep it interesting ...like secops on the fly etc. I am willing to pay for development but it must be solid MP as it will be hosted on my dedicated servers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
icebreakr 3159 Posted October 20, 2009 Let us know when you'll have them on your server :] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbal Influence 10 Posted October 20, 2009 There is a thread on commercial mods and addons here. Maybe the (legal) thoughts there are applicable to missiondesign also? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pappy60 10 Posted October 20, 2009 Let us know when you'll have them on your server :] I have two basically identical missions on my server now, one is blackhawk training and the other is UH-1 training. my server is "Pappy's Helo Training" , select Chenaurus and then scroll to the bottom of the mission list to see the helo missions. The problem is that I created these missions and really don't know what I am doing and they have some locality issues...they are also ported from a SP mission and the tasks do not update for all players...if you play alone on the server it works well, but when others JIP, they don't see the completed tasks and go out on objectives that are already complete.....Good training for single players but not good for running as an MP game on a server. ---------- Post added at 10:41 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:39 AM ---------- There is a thread on commercial mods and addons here.Maybe the (legal) thoughts there are applicable to missiondesign also? Based on that thread it does appear that there are legal issues with mission building as well..too bad, mission building is time consuming and skill oriented, builders should be able to be compensated....worst part is I would pay for a mission builder to make my missions but would share them with the community at no charge.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbal Influence 10 Posted October 20, 2009 But sure there is the possibility to ask BI directly for an allowance (if needed). Maybe one of their apprentices also makes it for a nice price .... with charm of being a somewhat official mission? I would really be interested ... to know the outcome. But ... maybe there is no problem it all: As far as I know you are not allowed to use the special editing helpers form BI to earn money with them, but mission making itself is possible with the game itself. As you said this would only be a surplus if you are obligated to share the missions with something like the GPL. Sure there would arise a problem if the commercial missions get so attractive that BI gets under pressure by not reacting to someone who has them (and with them many players) under sole control. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pappy60 10 Posted October 20, 2009 Chances are this post is going to get cut as soon as the moderators see it.... it was not intended to be in violation of anything.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbal Influence 10 Posted October 20, 2009 Nah ... as you can read in the other thread: They don't cut it, but give us hints about the legal situation ... ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pappy60 10 Posted October 20, 2009 Its a bit of a muddy thing, there are many clans developing their own missions and are taking donations to cover the costs of test servers etc...conversely I personally created my own missions and put them on my server for all to play but could just as easily keep the missions private and not share with anyone...or even charge for access to my clan and server....the lines of legality become a bit unclear at this point....but in the end it sounds like there definitive legal issues with missions for hire.....Guess I need to make best friends with a good builder :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbal Influence 10 Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) Yeah - but then don't post here whether this friendship pays out a lot ... ;-) The clans I know let their members at most pay for the costs of the clan itself (running server and homepage). I would respect and accept BI if they don't want commercial mission making. But it's different in the OpenSource-Movement (Linux etc.): You can hire anyone at anytime to build something for you. The community likes this very much and enforces this because it enriches the community for you are to share the source code. So if BMW does do all it's multimedia (+ navi & board computer - I think) with Linux (which they are 'officially' thinking of or even have begun with) - the whole world of carmanufactures would profit therefrom: It's all about not inventing the wheel x-times ... Edited October 20, 2009 by Herbal Influence Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pappy60 10 Posted October 20, 2009 Based on this discussion I am renewing my efforts to fix my current mission and possibly either add on to it or create additional ones....doing myself with the help of the mission building forum Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sbsmac 0 Posted October 21, 2009 Pappy, if your problems are just with MP/JIP then you might want to consider using a framework such as my script-pack. I'm always looking for new concepts to add - one of the things I have in mind is a 'race' mode where players compete against each other to pick up civilians with helicopters for example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pappy60 10 Posted October 21, 2009 Pappy, if your problems are just with MP/JIP then you might want to consider using a framework such as my script-pack. I'm always looking for new concepts to add - one of the things I have in mind is a 'race' mode where players compete against each other to pick up civilians with helicopters for example. Actually I have stayed away from PVP as I want to keep the server public and really don't want to spend all my time policing kids tk'ing all of the time. But I do like the idea of a competition of flying helos to pick up civilians.....that could be fun and difficult, maybe time based ? The player with the most civilians moved to a home base in 30 minutes wins? I do want to keep the server in a "learn to be a better pilot" mode and eventually add in fixed wing training missions as well, preferably like a domination for aircraft with missions for both rotary and fixed wing at the same time... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sbsmac 0 Posted October 21, 2009 Don't be deceived by the name - the scriptpack is just as capable of single-player and co-op missions :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chefd261 0 Posted October 22, 2009 Hey Pappy if you would like I may be able to help you for FREE.It depends on how refined you want the missions. here is my contact info www.Jsoc-gamer.org www.ArmAunderground.com Or the best method Chefd261@msn.com Leave me some details on the missions you would like and I may be able to help P.S. Please never pay anyone to do missions for you that is the last thing that this community needs to evolve to many of us will help for free. Cheer's ChefD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pappy60 10 Posted October 22, 2009 Sent you an email ChefD, might need to check your spam folder .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chefd261 0 Posted October 22, 2009 no mail yet including spam I will give it a bit and check again. Cheer's ChefD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pappy60 10 Posted October 22, 2009 hmmmm, okay sent again from a different email account, if this doesn't arrive then I will use my gmail account, seems MSN is blocking me.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
