Shaftoe Dead - Manhattan Mission

[Sniperdoc 0]

Because the esteemed Moderator thought my previous topic was supposed to go under the Official Missions forum, I'll recreate the thread here once more as this is a troubleshooting issue that BIS needs to address.

I've played the Manhattan mission about 20 times now, each time some problem with one of the objectives not being able to be completed. Well, I think I've found the issue:

Shaftoe gets assassinated on Manhattan base by Chedaki Cosmos Ninjas!!!

Here's what happened:

I'm playing through Manhattan and finally things seem to be falling into place (since I'm just using the LAV instead of trying to do it on foot and doing a real recce) and the only thing I had left to do was find that Lev dude in Khelm. So, I'm in Khelm and the house doesn't blow, there's no radio comm to Shaftoe explaining that I'm going to take Lev into custody... and that struck me as odd, since that leaves me with not being able to do ANYTHING with the house.

So, I drove the LAV to the top of the Manhattan base to just talk to Shaftoe to maybe end the mission. Well... he's covered in blood and under the table that has his notebook on it. WTF? Did some Chedaki magic invisi-missile hit him?

Nope... as I've seen in my previous missions, I can only assume, that because he occasionally gets wedged between the chair and the table where the table is literally cutting his body in half, that this time he actually was injured by this somehow and died. GOOD TESTING BIS! I noticed that clipping glitch EVERY TIME I played Manhattan... but quite frankly... I'm tired of this.

It's not the public's job to fix your mistakes or to find them. I'd like it if a dev asked me to upload my save to some FTP site so they can tear it apart and fix that glitch. It's not my fault that you guys can't get your game to behave normally. People getting stuck on furniture or clipping through objects is half-arsed and needs to be fixed. AI characters running blindly at a tail rotor as it's spinning is asinine.

Regards,

Pissed off BIS Customer

[Bulldogs 10]

This is the first time I've seen this issue reported. What patch are you using, and are you using any mods or a beta patch?

---------- Post added at 01:24 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:19 PM ----------

I'm sure you're not running under windows 7, 'cause complaining about problems with a game under an unreleased/incomplete o/s would be rather stupid, but just in case I should point out that a lot of people, myself included, notice more bugs/glitches under windows 7, although many people don't suffer this problem.

[Sniperdoc 0]

Negative. Steam version, so it's most up to date. No mods nothing.

I've seen the clipping of Shaftoe on the table on numerous occasions, so I know it's definitely reproducible. What I didn't think would happen is that he'd DIE from it. (he SHOULD, but it's a game fault and the player shouldn't be made to pay for AI's stupidity)

[ShaiCZ 10]

Shaftoes death actually prevents me from continuing the campaing at the moment. However, in my case, he dies only after I kill the rebel leader in his camp.

My idea is that there is a faulty link in the program code that links Shaftoe to the leader (probably both designated as "commander" in the code or whatever). Thus, when you kill the leader (commander), you kill Shaftoe (commander) at the same time...:o) Im not a programmer, so I have not a single clue wheather its possible:o)

Ive never seen him cutting his waist against the table.

DVD version here.

[Bulldogs 10]

Try the newest beta patch (maybe one of the hidden fixes in the beta patches), just remember to revert to the start of the mission after starting the beta mod, and if all else fails just cheat and skip the mission.

[boneboys 0]

I've completed all of the missions but the game will not continue because Shaftoe is dead.

So it is a game breaker as far as I'm concerned.

Unfortunately I do not know at which point he died.

Retail 1.03.

BIS are well aware of this problem I believe.

[Deadfast 43]

I'm sure you're not running under windows 7, 'cause complaining about problems with a game under an unreleased/incomplete o/s would be rather stupid...

Windows 7 is neither incomplete nor unreleased.

I've had a copy from my school's MSDN for about 2 weeks now.

Besides, OS wouldn't break the mission in such way.

[Bulldogs 10]

Windows 7 is neither incomplete nor unreleased.

I've had a copy from my school's MSDN for about 2 weeks now.

Besides, OS wouldn't break the mission in such way.

Officially windows 7 is released on October 22, and until then the only version legally available to the general public is build 7100 which is unfinished, hence my statement.

[Sniperdoc 0]

As Deadfast stated, your statement is still invalid in this context. It wouldn't cause issues like this particular one. The game runs... albeit like a dog on 1 leg, but other than that it works. The Nvidia gfx drivers for Win7 have been in development since Win7's RC releases to the public, so minus the Arma2 8GB memory issue the newest drivers have been causing... they've been working just fine. This is an issue with the missions themselves.

I may try the following:

1. Leave a team member at Manhattan
   
2. Complete the Kill the Leader objective
   
3. Take control of the character at the base
   

I just need to verify what it is. Next time I see the clipping action I'll have to take a screenshot of it.

Overall, if this is true that when you kill the Leader of the enemy camp, that this kills Shaftoe... this is truly ridiculous. Why wouldn't a beta tester or developer have caught that?! That's just pure laziness!

[Bulldogs 10]

It seems little odd as only a few people have had this happen. I've played through the campaign several times now (it was more fun after 1.03) and haven't had that issue myself. It would be a little annoying to do but have you tried reverting to the mission before it then doing it again?

[Jezuro 452]

We haven't been able to reproduce this bug.

However, we've noticed some reports suggesting that Shaftoe might die occassionally with no reason, so we added some precautions for that in the recent patch.

Should you still experience this issue with version 1.04, please let us know.

Thank you.

[Sniperdoc 0]

Thank you for the response Jezuro. I shall check it out. Is 1.04 out yet? I'm not 100% sure, but when I played last night, I thought it was still 1.03 (running Steam version).

@Bulldogs:

Thanks for the suggestion, but I think I've tried that twice already. Don't know if that resolved the Shaftoe issue since I hadn't gotten to that task until a few nights ago, but I know that did resolve other issues I had with Manhattan. I'll try that tonight... but I swear I hope it works, cause I'm seriously tired of this mission. :(

Edited September 15, 2009 by Sniperdoc

[Deadfast 43]

thank you for the response Jezuro. I shall check it out. Is 1.04 out yet? I'm not 100%, but when I played last night, I thought it was still 1.03.

It was released about an hour ago:

http://www.arma2.com/support/updates/file/184-arma2_patch104.html?lang=en

@Bulldogs:

Your statement makes no sense though. The OS has been released for manufacturing, nothing will change until its official release date.

[Sniperdoc 0]

Actually Deadfast, there is another build that's "available" through online resources. I believe it may be build 7400. I personally run 7100, but there aren't that many other kernel based changes that make 7400 better than 7100. At least none that I've heard my friends with 7400 report.

I also heard through the grapevine that the full and complete version of Win7 is available for download from Microsoft on a try-before-you-buy basis. I think they give you a full 3 months to use it before it starts asking for a license key and activation.

[Bulldogs 10]

The most recent build, and the build that's been released to the manufacturers is build 7600.16385. I have access to this build myself due to my work, but the general public doesn't have access to this build (technically they do because someone leaked it but it was never meant to be leaked)

The most recent build they released to the public was 7100, which is not complete in the sense that 6 other builds were released after it and many things just don't work under 7100, so unless someone has received the final release candidate for testing purposes or has obtained it illegally, then they have an incomplete version of Windows 7.

That said, none of that has to do with what this thread is about so it doesn't matter anyways.

[no use for a name 0]

Overall, if this is true that when you kill the Leader of the enemy camp, that this kills Shaftoe... this is truly ridiculous. Why wouldn't a beta tester or developer have caught that?! That's just pure laziness!

Because obviously not everyone has this problem...I played thru it perfect with no game-stoppers. My guess is it's something that has to be recreated pretty accurately i.e. mission completed order, time, which "direction" (side missions) you chose in earlier missions, etc.

[Sniperdoc 0]

Absolutely, and I understand that.

Here's some more information, but it truly warrants its own thread: http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?p=1441096#post1441096

[russian_takeout 10]

i had same thing after 1.02 patch.... but with pirated version. its BI bag they made if you dont use oficial copy. finished the mision no problem with original copy of the game.

by the way, i bought arma 2 already. no bugs after that:)

[boneboys 0]

i had same thing after 1.02 patch.... but with pirated version. its BI bag they made if you dont use oficial copy. finished the mision no problem with original copy of the game.

by the way, i bought arma 2 already. no bugs after that:)

Are you saying that the German copy I bought at Karstadt in Saarbruken and the 505 edition that came from Play.com are not original ?

[mmaker 10]

We haven't been able to reproduce this bug.

However, we've noticed some reports suggesting that Shaftoe might die occassionally with no reason, so we added some precautions for that in the recent patch.

Should you still experience this issue with version 1.04, please let us know.

Thank you.

Yes still got this problem after 1.04 patch. Played coop with friend and we completed everything and he was dead in base. Also got another error before that and we could talk to him but after that we couldnt continue for some reason.

Also when we tried to reload it again i was transformed to a crow.. ye good bugs lol.. -> http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/7040/y4r5y45y.jpg

edit: nice same bug again on the next mission when you choose between napa and cdf.. when you complete it and you gonna get next nothing seems to happen or you cant continue to next mission. This bug has happen 3 times now on 3 different missions. My friend did that cheat "complete mission" and even after that it didnt work.. reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllly annoying bug, because we cant continue the game.. tried to reload different save games and yada yada... nothing works..

Edited October 10, 2009 by mmaker